Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think that if a teacher is under police investigation for hitting pupils with bits of school equipment, he should be suspended for the duration?

33 replies

BoffinMum · 05/01/2009 16:45

One of the teachers at DCs primary school has been losing his temper with the children a lot over the last couple of years. Recently he also hit one boy on the head with a set of computer cables, apparently with the clear intention of hurting him, and threw a school football at the stomach of a girl, apparently again to hurt her, because she was not doing what he wanted in a PE lesson. I didn't see either event take place, but there were multiple reports and child witnesses, and I think he's capable of doing this.

To me he seems to be a rather taciturn, potentially spiteful man, and many children on play dates over here have said to me that they are afraid of him. Luckily he doesn't teach my children, although sometimes they are sent to him for talking in class or whatever.

I was just interviewed by the police as they are talking to various parents about it all at the moment, and I told them about a time when my DS was so terrified he hid in the toilets rather than face this man to be told off. I said I had heard about the two incidents with hitting children with equipment, and asked if this person was going to be suspended or arrested or anything like that. They said nothing would probably be done and they would probably have a quiet word with him about how he came across to parents.

I am getting increasingly worried about this. It seems to me this is a kind of assault on two counts, and I have seen teachers suspended for a lot less. I am unhappy about children feeling frightened at school and I personally think this man is trouble and has some major issues. I am also very confused as to why the police are approaching this so cautiously, given the multiple complaints.

I don't think it would be unreasonable for him to be suspended on full pay pending the outcome of the investigation, but I am wondering what the general view is amongst MNetters. Am I being too twitchy here?

OP posts:
laweaselmys · 05/01/2009 16:48

I suspect they are being cautious because they are dealing with children, who sadly do lie often and repeatedly and can convince others to join in with them - I am a little surprised that he's not been suspended though. I would have thought that would be fairly standard practice. In fact, am not a teacher but work with kids and it's in our contract that police investigation = automatic suspension.

Lauriefairyonthetreeeatscake · 05/01/2009 16:50

it's usual to be suspended. Would be very surprised if he wasn't.

My dh would expect to be suspended - with no shame or bad perception by the way - as it's perfectly usual when working with children.

alicecrail · 05/01/2009 16:51

Oh my god! That is terrible! Do you think other parents feel the same? cold you get together and write in to authorities? At a primary school!? A friend of mine's dd had similar problems and was encouraged to write a diary, or worry journal as she was really affected. You should definitly do something.

BoffinMum · 05/01/2009 16:58

I wasn't sure how much of the detail to put into the OP, alicecrail, because there's quite a lot, but I tried to stick to the main points.

In fact one of the other mums organised a letter to the Local Authority (who seem to have done nothing) and the police, which is how I think the investigation came about. That was about months and months ago though. I said they could give my mobile number to the police, which is why I was one of the people they interviewed.

OP posts:
Wonderstuff · 05/01/2009 17:05

Normal practise would be to suspend while case being investigated. Teacher not normally even allowed to know what has been alleged. Very strange that he is still teaching.

alicecrail · 05/01/2009 17:07

Could a petition work? I know it sounds drastic, but if its been going on for months and you are still concerned then you must have good reason. I do understand that children lie but if all the stories add up, that is worrying! There must have been some concrete evidence if the police were involved surely?

laweaselmys · 05/01/2009 17:13

I would definately be asking the school why it isn't standard practice to suspend the teacher during the investigation.

BoffinMum · 05/01/2009 17:17

I think you're right alicecrail, I was a classroom teacher for 7 years, and I know full well that kids sometimes lie or exaggerate, and parents get bees in their bonnets and get flapping about trivia, but this whole thing is nagging away at me, and I feel sick to my stomach about his behaviour.

There seems to be no obvious place to make a representation (the GTC don't accept them except from employers, for example), and the thing about a petition is that it would involve a lot of lobbying at the school gate, which would create havoc in this community. I feel the Local Authority should have done more.

OP posts:
alicecrail · 05/01/2009 17:21

I cant think of anything that may help i'm afraid. perhaps just finding out as much information as possible. Good luck

wannaBe · 05/01/2009 17:22

I am surprised he's not been suspended especially pending a police investigation. But...

As this has not involved your own child then you're not really involved are you? And therefore why are you even talking to the police about this - it's all hear-say and second-hand knowledge on your part.

Your child being afraid of this teacher is hardly a matter for the police imho.

Personally I think you should stay out of it. And talk of things like petitions will only fuel something that is potentially going too destroy this man's career - innocent until proven guilty and all that.

BoffinMum · 05/01/2009 18:19

Interesting one, WannaBe, and probably why I haven't waded in until now. God this is a very difficult dilemma. I don't want to be guilty of bystander apathy. But I don't want to interfere yet this bloke creeps me out.

OP posts:
donnie · 05/01/2009 18:27

is it a private school?

BoffinMum · 05/01/2009 18:31

No, a normal state primary school.

OP posts:
staffylover · 05/01/2009 18:40

Innocent untill proven guilty?

jicky · 05/01/2009 18:49

Have you spoken to the head / chair of governors about your worries ? If I was called by the police about a member of staff at my DC school I would speak to the head.

BoffinMum · 05/01/2009 19:33

I think the head is covering it all up. Our governors are pretty ineffectual, tbh. But I wonder if I should grasp the mettle and say something. Maybe I should just alert the head. I will think about it.

OP posts:
duckyfuzz · 05/01/2009 19:40

it is the role of the GTCE to investigate such things - are they involved?

BoffinMum · 05/01/2009 19:47

I did look on their website but they can only take referrals from head teachers and not the public (or even a fellow professional in my case).

I have to say I thought this was odd because you could get the teacher equivalent of a Shipman and have very limited options for flagging it up.

OP posts:
duckyfuzz · 05/01/2009 19:50

You can complain if not happy with school's response to a complaint

Cases of unacceptable professional conduct, which includes criminal conviction, are referred to the GTC by the Department for Children, Schools and Families (DCSF). They may decide to take their own action to bar or restrict a teacher where the safety and welfare of children is at risk, or public confidence in the profession would be compromised.Members of the public can also make referrals about teachers? conduct.

more info here

whonickedmynickname · 05/01/2009 19:55

sorry I think YABalittleU - Innocent until proven guilty and tbh kids lie ALL the time about their teachers. And he may have the social skills of a newt but that doesn't excuse this baying for suspension that seems to be coming from the parents you describe......

BoffinMum · 05/01/2009 20:09

This was a genuine AIBU by the way because the answer is by no means clear to me, even now.

I am now thinking after everyone's posts that because my child hasn't been directly attacked with computer cables or whatever, I should probably take a back seat for the time being until/unless something else worrying happens.

He definitely has the social skills of a newt, and there is definitely braying as well, but I do not think lying has gone on here on the part of the kids (and I am very quick to give adults the benefit of the doubt). This is because of the multiple eye witness accounts, and the types of chidren involved.

Anyway, thanks for all your posts as I think this has been very helpful.

OP posts:
dilemma456 · 05/01/2009 21:09

Message withdrawn

TWINSETinapeartree · 05/01/2009 21:15

It is very odd that he is still in school, I had a pupil make a false allegation against me that was ludicrous. I was taken off timetable for the rest of that day and told that I may not be able to come in on Monday.

I went home that evening warned by my union that the police could turn up at my door and possibly my picture would be in the paper. Luckily she admitted she was lying.

islandofsodor · 05/01/2009 21:18

I have known a case where the police advised that a teacher NOT be suspended pending an investigation as the evidence was rather thin.

It is by no means automatic suspension when an allegation is made of any sort. It is all done on a case by case basis. If he has been charged however that is a different matter.

kickassangel · 05/01/2009 21:33

i thought standard practice for any allegations was to be suspended on full pay, then, if it turns out to be false, all records are destroyed, and teacher never has to report it if applying for a new job.

that way, teacher not in school & having to face all the gossip & looks while it's invetsigated, also not in contact with children if it's true. if it all turns out be false, then wiped from all paperwork.