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(while we're on the subject of words people dont understant)... to find the use of the word...

59 replies

swottybetty · 03/12/2008 20:00

piky completely unacceptable?? the world and her aunt kick of at the mention of so many other ethnically derogatory terms,and yet piky is acceptable. how is that???

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ChristmasFairySantAsSLut · 03/12/2008 21:01

don't think I ever came across that term....tbh....

ScottishMummy · 03/12/2008 21:07

anytime anyone squawks pikey/chavvy they get short shrift on MN

TheLadyEvenstar · 03/12/2008 21:08

The Oxford English Dictionary traced the earliest use of "pikey" to The Times in August 1838, which referred to strangers who had come to the Isle of Sheppey as "pikey-men".[1] In 1847, J. O. Halliwell in his Dictionary of Archaic and Provincial Words recorded the use of "pikey" to mean a gipsy.[1] In 1887, W. D. Parish and W. F. Shaw in the Dictionary of Kentish Dialect recorded the use of the word to mean "a turnpike traveller; a vagabond; and so generally a low fellow".[1]

Contemporary usage
More recently it was applied to Irish Travellers and non-Roma Gypsies.[2][3] In the late 20th century, it came to be used to describe "a lower-class person, regarded as coarse or disreputable."[1][4]

Pikey's most common contemporary use is not as a term for the Gypsy ethnic group, but as a catch-all phrase to refer to people, of any ethnic group, who travel around with no fixed abode.

Well from that description I am not a pikey or half pikey as my Gt Grandparents were Romanian Gypsies...

Daisy15 · 03/12/2008 21:20

My next door neighbours are Irish and their son uses the word 'pikey' like it means scum. Unsure whether his parents think it's acceptable.

BalloonSlayer · 03/12/2008 21:27

A traveller of my acquaintance finds it deeply offensive.

To her, Ps are "people who live by the side of the road."

She is part of a long-standing traveller community who own a series of businesses which involve a necessary itinerant lifestyle, and who also have a bought-and-paid-for base.

Incidentally, she uses the word Chavvy though. To describe an unlikeable non-traveller male. NOT female.

I have come to the conclusion that calling a traveller, from an established Traveller Family, a pikey, is tantamount to racial abuse. As that's how it seems to them.

TheNewsMongersGeansaiNollag · 03/12/2008 21:52

Daisy, I'm Irish and I don't use the word Pikey. I never hear it either.

TheNewsMongersGeansaiNollag · 03/12/2008 21:53

IN FACT, the word Pikey had to be explained to me when I went to UK in 1995, so it's not a word in common parlance here in Ireland. It's very much an English word.

if you're neighbour uses it, he has 'gone native'.

ThePregnantMerryYuleWitch · 03/12/2008 22:13

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TheNewsMongersGeansaiNollag · 03/12/2008 22:26

Yes gypsy has been romanticised. I mean, there were gypsy style skirts in M&s ! Probably still are, yak!

Ashantai · 04/12/2008 00:58

Have to admit to cringing whenever we have travellers parked in our store carpark, and the managers telling us to be on our guard for "pikeys"

It really isnt a nice word at all

Tortington · 04/12/2008 01:15

i work in a HA who have to be quite up to date on issues of equality and i was dismayed to be pulled for using the term 'gypsy' some travellers/people of romany origin, find that term offensive becuase its derived from false history.

so on the pc front - gypsy is not the term to be used apparently.

i dont think pikey has ever been acceptable on mumsnet

but then it was only a couple of years ago that we had virtual riots over the word chav. Now its in the dictionary and is part of every day speak for everyone i meet.

ThePregnantMerryYuleWitch · 04/12/2008 10:13

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wotulookinat · 04/12/2008 10:18

Pikey is an old word. When I was younger we used it as an insult (about 15 years ago) but I haven't heard it used for ages now.

Lotster · 04/12/2008 10:40

Are YOU a pikey

Lotster · 04/12/2008 10:42

I got 10 - entering the danger zone apparently

mayorquimby · 04/12/2008 12:02

in fairness over here in ireland pikey only came into real prominence and normal usage after snatch, the guy ritchie movie. i don't i'd heard it used over here before and assumed it to be an english word.
up till then i'd only ever really heard people use knacer/traveller/itinerant

mayorquimby · 04/12/2008 12:03

*i don't think...
**knacker

sorry typing allover the place today

wotulookinat · 04/12/2008 12:33

Lol I got 15 and I 'have the whiff of dogblanket'. That's so funny because I was just sitting on the sofa and got a bit chilly and put the dog's blanket over my feet!

Lotster · 04/12/2008 12:54

OMG wotulookinat, next you'll be taking him for a walk on a piece of string!

wotulookinat · 04/12/2008 12:55

We do have a lead, although it is looking a little ropey!!!!!!!!

Lotster · 04/12/2008 13:10

Well be careful it doesn't snap when you tie him up outside Iceland.

Hee.

wotulookinat · 04/12/2008 13:12

Hee hee I'm just tucking the bottom of my trouser legs into my socks so I look the part.

solo · 04/12/2008 13:15

Gypsies and pikeys are not the same. My grandad lived with Romany Gypsies for a while and they are not the same in any way.

Lotster · 04/12/2008 13:19

What's a diddicoy then? My dad (Prince Phillip that he is) brings them up sometimes...

jumpingbeans · 04/12/2008 13:29

Diddycoy is the same as pikey, gyppo, traveler, hedge moper, tinker, chav is just a name for a another lad,same as bruv,mort is another name for a girl, theres so many it is unbelievable