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AIBU?

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That dh refuses to move out?

85 replies

QueenEagle · 29/11/2008 12:57

He works 4am til 1pm 5 nights per week. Takes older boys to football on Sundays. He does the school run, dinner, bath and bedtime routine when I am working lates. He will clear up dinner things but often not properly and "forgets" things.

I work a 5 week rota on shifts inlcuding nights. I do the morning school run, getting younger ds's up, fed, dressed when I am on lates or off. I have youngest ds at home with me on all of my days off and I do the school runs, dinners, clearing up, baths & bedtimes. I do ALL of the cleaning which is a lot as we have a 5 bed house. I do ALL of the ironing which is A LOT as we have 5 dc's. We share the shopping.

When we are both at home, he does nothing and sits back to let/expect me to do everything. When he is in charge of the household it is all very disorganised and cluttered/messy. When I am at home stuff gets done, I take the kids out and he says he is in awe of the fact I can do this so effortlessly.

Often over the last 3 years I have sat him down or written him emails about how he doesn't (IMO) pull his weight PROPERLY. He moans about everything, is very negative, very pessimistic, has little confidence (never has) and has said he wishes I was at home as he finds it hard to cope with everything therefore that's why he feels he can't do things thoroughly. He is not depressed, just not very efficient and capable when it comes to domestic stuff. He agrees he should be more organised but then cannot fathom how to despite me helping him. When I sit him down to talk he actually sits in silence and will not respond to me. If I press him (gently I hasten to add) he will say he knows what he needs to do but can't. He can do things if I remind him, leave him lists and think for him but I am fed up of this and think at the grand old age of 42 he should be able to do these things for himself. He is soooo passive I could scream. He was like this when we first met and back then I enjoyed looking after him but we have had 2 kids together (and he is dad to my 3 too) since then and I have returned to full time work but he has never grown with all the changes, just resented them.

I want him to move out, he won't as he says we are married and shouldn't give up just like that. I say that I have tried to get him to buck his ideas up which he has agreed to, but hasn't done anything constructive about it. We went to Relate a few weeks ago - the counsellor said we have a typical mother/child relationship and he is emotionally stuck at a 5 year old child level when it comes to dealing with issues with me. She told him he so far has been unable to step up as an adult. It all struck a chord and dh agrees with her views but thinks that I should put up with him the way he is because I married him.

I don't want to live like this anymore which dh knows - but how do I get him to see that we should split up?

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findtheriver · 29/11/2008 14:24

Hear hear happymummy.

Your choice to have 5 children. your choice to work shifts. Your choice to marry this man.

elmoandella · 29/11/2008 14:25

2nd that hear hear

QueenEagle · 29/11/2008 14:45

Ah so he can be lazy and keep saying he wants to change and accepts resposnibility for things being the way they are but then not actually do anything about it. And because he hasn't really changed over the years that's ok too? Life is all about change and moving on, making things better for yoursleves. Or should I just have stayed the same and stayed at home to look after him like a child? Because I didn't work outside of the home I should stay that way forever. Right.

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findtheriver · 29/11/2008 14:48

'Life is all about change and moving on, making things better for yoursleves.'

Absolutely! So why don't you move out and move on??

elmoandella · 29/11/2008 14:48

why post in aibu if you dont want to hear other side of story. trying posting in relationship. you may get a better audience and perhaps some advice.

onthewarpath · 29/11/2008 14:51

Well the OP might have done all these things ( married the man, had the children, work shifts...)but I am sure that all of us at some point are a bit ennoyed even at things we chose. If everytime you choose something you have to shut up about the inconvenients that might accure, the AIBU treads would bw quite dull. She is tired , she wants things to change, hardly needs to be punished for it.

To the OP I think you will have to find a way to get through to him (and to listen too him too as he does not sound too happy either from OP)because I do not believe that you actually want him to leave, it is the nerves talking. Try to give him a bit of leeway and yourself too in the process... things do not have to be perfect always.

Do not be behind him all the time, make him feel that his contribution is appreciated, even if it is for little things. Being cornered all the time will not give him the incentive he needs to be more hands with householld chores.

karise · 29/11/2008 14:51

Have you tried reducing your expectations as to the quality of housework?
My mum always did everything & complained bitterly that nobody helped her. But she never accepted anything we done as satisfactory!
Try seeing it from his point of view! Move on with your life yes, but as a couple ie. making decisions about EVERYTHING together!
If my dh decided to redo the kitchen without my input I would feel that he had eroded my trust in him- trust & support both work two ways you have to give it in order to receive it.
Think about your marriage vows!

dittany · 29/11/2008 14:52

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QueenEagle · 29/11/2008 14:54

So you are saying that if you were in my shoes you would just put up with it? Having tried for so long to put things right and make things work you would still carry on being a martyr and carrying him? More fool you.

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findtheriver · 29/11/2008 14:55

I don't think anyone is arguing that the OP is unreasonable in wanting to split up dittany. They have been to counselling, and they acknowledge the problems. The unreasonable part is that the OP then assumes that the husband should piss off, leaving her in the nice 5 bed house with all the kids!

findtheriver · 29/11/2008 14:57

crossed posts there! NO QueenEagle - DON'T put up with it!! Move out. That is what repeated people have advised!

dittany · 29/11/2008 14:58

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QueenEagle · 29/11/2008 15:00

Ok so my last post might be a bit harsh but I am tired of this constant merry go round. All my suggestions are greeted with "NO" without him first thinking about things and talking things through - it's his normal reaction to things, I have come to realise. The kitchen thing was discussed and met with "NO", I wanted to decorate the very much in need hallway but was told it was ok. In the end I gave up and just got it done and paid for it. He liked it and said he wished he could have said yes as he wanted to do it really. He would never ever dream of suggesting anything to do with getting the house done, going away, having fun at the weekend with the kids, nothing - nothing in this house gets done unless I suggest it, organise and do it. He is frustrating to live with, I am constantly on eggshells and daren't suggest new things to do/try as he will just say "NO" to it all and I will face a battle to get him to do anything. I am a positive person and he is grinding even me down.

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findtheriver · 29/11/2008 15:03

dittany - who said anything about leaving the man alone in the house?
Two of the kids are his. He hasn't shown any sign of wanting to live without them. Or do you not believe that a father has equal parenting rights?

dougal3 · 29/11/2008 15:03

QE - It's not really the market to be selling and downsizing - you'll lose out on equity even if you managed to sell.
So, instead of him moving out/selling, could you get the carpenters in to make self-contained living-spaces? It's a bit weird but didn't that Labour M P do that?

Bigger issue - I think you're angry and you're trying to force him to react, act, in any way, just because he so doesn't at the moment.
Give the counselling time to work and also spend that time thinking autonomously - ie. what do you want, for yourself? Not from him, or for him, or of him. At the v. least it'll get you closer to how you really feel.

It think you think you're BU - or you wouldn't be posting.
But i can see why you're p'd o.

QueenEagle · 29/11/2008 15:04

If I understand right - you are asking me to be the one to move out. Why should I? I have been the one to put the effort into this relationship and he has not. I see his attitude as a failure to meet me half way and think he has nowhere near earned the right to stay in the house which he never wanted to decorate and improve!

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findtheriver · 29/11/2008 15:05

It also strikes me that a lot of the complaints about the husband are nothing to do with having had children, or being a parent. His attitude towards decorating, and wanting the place to be nice is bizarre! Yeap, it would grind me down too. But as the OP says, he's always been like it. So why complain no?

dittany · 29/11/2008 15:05

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findtheriver · 29/11/2008 15:07

'he has nowhere near earned the right to stay in the house'

Sheesh!! It strikes me that if this had been written by a breadwinner husband about his stay at home wife not 'earning the right' to stay in the house, he would be flamed!!

Sorry, it's not about 'earning a right'. You chose to marry him, you can't just boot him out because you realise you maybe made a bad choice.

findtheriver · 29/11/2008 15:09

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QueenEagle · 29/11/2008 15:11

It IS about earning a right. He knows and has accepted that his failings have been the reason why we ended up at counselling. He accepts that what the counsellor said is correct. He accepts that I have tried endlessly to make things right between us and also understands that I feel the way I do because of his inability to change for the better. He knows. He understands. Yet chooses to do nothing about it.

If I had this attitude at work I would be on a bloody action plan and then out of a job! I know that I hadn't earned the right to stay in the job!

I am amazed that he knows and accepts all of the above yet thinks I should just accept it! And some of you think this too!

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soapbox · 29/11/2008 15:12

QE - I think you should reread your posts having put the idea that he is 'childlike', 'lacking backbone', 'spineless' to one side.

This man is TOTALLY in control. He rules the house, the children and you. I think your problem is that you have assigned a set of labels to him that are patently wrong. This has stopped you seeing his behaviour for what it is.

He DEMANDS that the TV be turned over.
He STOPPED the cleaner
He REFUSED POINT BLANK for your children to go to a childminders
He SAYS NO to decorating the house.
He WON'T leave the family home.

QU - this is not a man lacking in backbone! This is a man who has his entire family running by his rules and who isn't going to change one bit because it suits him down to the ground!

If you don't love him, start divorce proceedings anyway. Then the matter of who stays in the family home will be determined as part of the divorce settlement.