to think it is disgusting to 'hide' a SN pupil when the inspectors are in?

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I am so disgusted and cross with this.

I work in a school 1-1 with a year 2 pupil who has communication and behaviour difficulties.

Early this year we got a bad Ofsted report and so this week the inspectors have been back in to reasses certain classes within the school, the ones who were inadequate last time.

The pupil I work with is in one of these class and at times his behaviour can be a little disruptive but nothing I can't handle.

Rather than let the inspectors see the school how it really is the head decided that on that day this pupil would spend the morning in the school nursery with the nursery children.

I am so fecking cross, there are so many policies with regards to inclusion in school and yet so called professionals still think it is ok to hide away a child with SEN's just in case he makes the school look bad

The OFSTED inspectors I met where lovely women. They aren't evil monesters.

If they saw a child with challenging behaviour they would ask what is being done to support that child. Ie. has the school got external help like the behaviour support team. Has the school explored all avenues?

All that OFSTED are doing is making sure that schools are doing their job properly. If the school is doing their job properly they have nothing to fear.

I think that there are good and bad OFSTED inspectors. Some schools have had such bad experiences that they are terrified of anything other than 'perfection'. Of course any reasonable person would accept that there are differences in behaviour, but the experiences of many schools is that you are judged on behaviour not behaviour management. The general 'hysteria' about OFSTED has not happened for no reason, it has happened because bad inspectors / inspectors have undermined staff and destroyed confidence and careers.

2shoes I do not understand what you mean. Can you explain?
I would not hesitate a moment and go to OFSTED. Working in these conditions cannot make you happy as you sound like a nice person who really tries to make a difference.

Hi cory, on a lot of threads together lately. LOL

if you are hiding a child then it isn't inclusion. dd's school has full inclusion and full support for disabled children in with their non-disabled peers. Their inclusion is a huge bragging point and why dd is in that school.
Inclusion doesn't mean hiding SN children. That school could be done under the DDA. I'd report them and make a major fuss.

By onthewarpath on Sat 22-Nov-08 10:20:15
2shoes I do not understand what you mean. Can you explain?
sorry which post?

Sorry, *2shoes" the one hat says Inclusion=exclusion as it is not an expression I am familiar with, being from the continent and all that.

I once taught in a secondary school that was ofstedded before arrived in the old days when you got lots of notice.

They sent all of their "naughty" boys lots of whom were on the SN register for a residential trip with the army while the inspection took place.

hi onthewarpath- I think the answer may be that I am on far too many threads these days

I still regret that I did not blow the whistle when dd's old headteacher had a special assembly to tell his pupils what they were to say to the Ofsted inspector.

Sadly, dd's class were sent on an outing that day; I had told her that the correct response to any Ofsted question would be: 'I am so sorry, I've forgotten what mr X said we had to say'.

Doubt if dd would have played ball though. She has been brought up (not by me!) to believe that it is wrong to challenge adults in charge

onthewarpath oh I just meant, that to me when dc's are included in mainstream, they seem to end up excluded from most things.

Is that happening a lot? I mean exclude SN children from activities just for the sake of an inspection? When I was a schoolgirl myself, many years ago, there was no SN children in mainstream school I am so glad that things have changed or so I thought.

In my Dcs school there are 2 SN children that I know of, one in DD1's class and to most people, I think, they are just 2 children in the school and anyone would be very shocked if they were excluded from anything they are perfectly capable of doing, including answering Ofsted inspectors questions.

I was also convinced that OFSTED reports noted things like how inclusive is the school, what support is ther for the ones who need it... I would have thought that on top of being absolutely disgraceful and should be ashamed of themself for the rest of their days, the school officials who made the decision of "hiding"this DC have definitely shot themself in the foot.

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When ds1 was in mainstream (4 terms - he's severely autistic) he was excluded from everything! Trips, assemblies, plays, lessons etc etc). He walked round and round and round and round the school with his 1:1 (who had no idea how to teach him).

He is included a lot more now he is in special school. (Does everything, goes out into the community every week etc).

But that's appalling! You should report this to Ofsted.

Isn't how a school deals with SN pupils part of its Ofsted assessment?

Dd's school was specially praised for its inclusiveness. I agree with onthewarpath: I think these people have shot themselves in the foot.

some schools have no idea what inclusion should eman and should look like.
But then some schools are shite for non-disabled kids too. I removed my 3 from school and home edded after I witnessed bullying by teachers, petty rules, humilation of children, pointless busywork and bad teaching. And this school got great Ofsetds and great league table results.
The whole factory farming institution is wrong IMO. Schools full of poeple who didn't choose to be there and don't want to be there.

oh my f**cking god thats really bad my son has sen and i would really flip if this happened to him and i thought the nursery i worked in was bad god that has so beaten it report them you so should you don't have to give your name so ur job can stay safe

Ofsted inspections don't always give a true picture of the school. And hiding away children with SN is even less likely to give a true picture

My DD2 has complex needs and started school in September - the school had a really poor last Ofsted report as levels of achievement were "too low". But then half of the children in the school have some sort of additional need, whether communicative, behavioural, learning or physical difficulty! They have an astonishing amount of statemented children in the school, as well as having an integrated language unit for children with communication disorders.

I would hope that most parents do as we did, and look beyond the Ofsted report and see what the school offers the child.

For the OP, in this instance the school is seriously failing the children, so I would have no hesitation in reporting them and I doubt the school management would ever find out it was you that reported them.