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to want to stop being there for my brother who's having marriage trouble because I wish he'd just bloody well leave her?

19 replies

VictoriaMeldrew · 19/11/2008 04:12

His difficulties have been going on for most of this year. He has told us all the things his wife's done (some horrible emotionally abusive stuff, plus an on-off affair she keeps sneaking back to under his nose, plus her expressing her hatred towards us [his family], plus her unrelenting blaming of him and us for everything and her refusal to see a counsellor). He has almost left several times, but keeps holding on. And holding on. And holding on.

10 months on, I'm getting a bit weary of being the ever-supportive sister. She has treated him abysmally and he is still there, turning the other cheek. They've been sleeping in the same bed this week after she returned from a weekend away with the other man! I am losing respect for my brother for continuing to hang in there, and yet go on and on about how sad/upset/angry/hurt he is. I've been through a break-up and know it isn't at all easy to let go, but my God, to be hanging on in these circumstances is nigh on impossible to understand or support.

Would it be unkind/wrong of me - especially since he's so low with this - to say that I'm not here for endless chats about this anymore, and that he has to get out or shut up? (Not in those words, obviously!)

I think the compassionate part of me reckons I need to hang in there, simply listening, nodding in all the right places and entrusting my brother to his own decision-making and letting-go processes. But it's bloody exasperating when he is continuing to put up with treatment most of us wouldn't tolerate.

Thoughts?

Thanks.

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NotQuiteCockney · 19/11/2008 07:12

I think it's perfectly reasonable for you to say something like 'listening to you go through this, and not do anything, is incredibly painful for me. I love you, and hate seeing you treated this way. You deserve better than this'.

You could also point out that you're not a trained counsellor, and he should consider seeing one (if you wanted to be very helpful, you could try to find a recommended one?). Either a Relate-type bod on his own, or a general counsellor.

anyfucker · 19/11/2008 07:28

Agree with nqc

Anna8888 · 19/11/2008 07:30

You have got "compassion fatigue" and that is quite a legitimate feeling.

It is quite obvious from what you write that this relationship has to end.

Ineedmorechocolatenow · 19/11/2008 07:33

Um... I don't think you should abandon him altogether, tho can understand that it must be really painful to listen to. I agree with NotQuiteCockney that you should tell him how painful it is to listen to etc.

She doesn't deserve him. What a bee-atch....

To tell him you're not going to be there for him anymore, is a bit cruel IMHO

NotQuiteCockney · 19/11/2008 07:38

She's not saying she wouldn't be there for him anymore - just not there for endless chats about this. She's currently working as an (unpaid, untrained) counsellor for him.

Ineedmorechocolatenow · 19/11/2008 09:36

Oh, it's just that OP's words were 'get out or shut up'.... unsure how else I was supposed to interpret this....

Oh, and I wasn't calling OP a 'bee-atc'h, but her brother's evil, evil, evil wife...

You sound as if you've been a loving and supportive sister VictoriaMeldrew

SuperSillyus · 19/11/2008 10:02

When people are going through a break up they often become very self centred and draining on those around them. I feel for your brother and you and agree you could tell him you are worn out by feeling his pain and if you could set him up with a counsellor it would be a good thing.

I got 'compassion fatigue' with a friend years ago and I told her in a letter how I felt and that I needed space. She was very good about it and maybe she needed to be snapped out of depending on me but I do wish I could have persevered and not rejected her when she was down.

colacubes · 19/11/2008 10:11

You are damned if you do and damned if you dont! Be firm, but be there,I wouldnt be toooooo hard on him, its hard to leave, but not as hard as it is to stay believe me.

But have to agree that listening to the endless wrangling of a broken marriage is incredibly boring and frustrating.

Bow out gracefully, tell him Im sorry but you have to fix this, I will be here, but you have to make a decision or shes gonna do what she wants, and who she wants whenever she wants, because lets face it, its not as if he's going to stop her is it!

He's a fool! And she knows it!

Ronaldinhio · 19/11/2008 10:38

YANBU

Perhaps if he has to deal with his issues rather than moan to you he might come to some sort of solution

I would say is that it is rarely one party in a relationship that is all wrong. The evil sil and perfect put upon brother is rarely the actual story or the full story. I don't believe anyone can really know what is going on unless they are in that relationship.

He's still there for some reason....

Miggsie · 19/11/2008 11:03

VictoriaMeldrew I completely sympathise...I'm in the same boat, how I have not screamed "leave the bloody bitch" at him over the past 2 years, I don't know.
but, he comes down 3 nights a week compaining about her...then goes back.
Or stays at my dad's...then goes back.

The thing is, I don't think he's ever going to leave her...she won't allow any of his family in the house and has whacked the kids, and is an alcoholic, and he won't leave. I must admit I've lost respect for him, but he is still my brother.

I also feel stuck between being sympathetic and wondering if I am enabling him to stay in his crappy marriage by letting him stay and listening to all the woe.

It really is no fun, and it is perfectly reasonable for you to feel cheesed off.
My DH is a bit more direct and last year told my brother to "shit or get off the pot"!!!!!!
So my brother still turns up regularly but he doesn't mention her now.

My brother stays becuase he doesn't want to admit that his marriage is rubbish (it took him 15 years to admit it to me) and he would lose his house and "the children need a mother"...even a mental one it seems.

You could try asking him why he stays or just saying you don't want to hear any more and he needs to talk to a professional...but in a kindly way.
I've put it a bit baldly here.

Simplysally · 19/11/2008 11:09

There must be a reason why he hasn't left her so it might be advisable (for all concerned) to steer him towards an impartial body like Relate or even contacting the Samaritans to unload onto rather than try to support him emotionally on your own.

There is probably more than one side to the story but it doesn't sound a healthy set-up. Has he considered moving out and leaving her to it - although he should take legal advice before he does that?

VictoriaMeldrew · 25/11/2008 21:57

Thank you all for your posts, and I'm so sorry it's taken nearly a week to get back to you. DS has been poorly, and I have been on the phone lots with DB (including in the middle of the night again) and thereby messed my sleep up this past week.

Well, I'm relieved that I'm not being an utter bitch for needing some boundaries here. I thought the "compassion fatigue" term hit the nail on the head.

Ah, Miggsie, I can relate to you. I think you have better staying power and tongue-biting ability than me! It sounds like your brother is caught in a bit of a codependence trap, which is tough-going for all concerned - sorry to hear this.

Ronaldinhio, you are absolutely right: it does take two to tango. My opening post describes where DB's "relationship" is at at the moment, although I know, he knows, we all know that he behaved out of order towards the end of last year, and that this was the straw that broke the camel's back. He wasn't unfaithful, and he didn't hit her, but he shoved her once. No marks or pain; just downright disrespectful. They were having a tense time due to other stuff going on in their lives, and I understand how tempers could have become frayed, but would emphasise that it absolutely wasn't OK of him to do this.

What I get angry about is that DB has spent the best part of a year taking all the blame for the marriage going tits up - he seems to willingly take the blame, and she piles it on him further. The fact is, he did something wrong at the end of an already tense year. He has apologised repeatedly. He has sought help to manage his temper. He has done everything he can do to mend his ways bar erase history. What winds me up no end is that where his wife should either forgive him and they move on together, or state that DB's behaviour was a dealbreaker and leave, she's conducted an affair for the best part of a year, telling DB he "deserves" this, and it's still going on, and she doesn't intend to stop yet "because it'll make me depressed" but she has told him to stay right where he is. And the silly bugger is doing just that!

In my mind, when a relationship has gone off the rails as theirs did a year ago, the couple get into counselling and thrash it out - or move on independently of each other. But it can't be dragged up and dragged on endlessly, with blame being apportioned and guilt felt left, right and centre, and affairs continued as some kind of punishment, ad bloody infinitum.

DB's done and is doing all he can. She won't budge - won't quit the affair and won't see a counsellor. I bloody wish he'd leave.

As you can tell, I get sooo angry about all this! Suffice to say, DB and I have had some good chats this past week, and I have said to him that I can't keep listening and feeling the pain of what he's going through with no end in sight, which he understands. I've asked for a breather, and he's respecting this.

Thanks, all, for helping me feel like less of a bitch for bailing out with the listening.

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picmaestress · 25/11/2008 22:49

Please don't feel like you're doing the wrong thing by withdrawing a bit. I did the same with my sister, and it was (a small) part of what spurred her on to kick her rotten, unfaithful, abusive husband out.
One day he'll snap and finally sort himself out, and you can't be his rock all the time, he has to do it on his own. His self respect must have taken a bashing, but it'll kick in soon, we all have our limits.

grumpalina · 25/11/2008 23:05

Actually I was on the recieving end of this from my BF. Many years ago I was in abusive relationship (couldn't see it at the time). My BF ended up saying that although she would always be there for me she really didn't want to hear anymore about my relationship as she found it upsetting and frustrating as I wasn't listening to advice and there was more she could do' Also stuff along the lines of what NQC was saying.

In many ways it was the wake up call I needed and I did finally finish it shortly after and it was the best thing I did. I think when she was being sympathetic I used her a s a bit of an emotional crutch and when she withdrew that I really took stock of the situation and took action iyswim.

VictoriaMeldrew · 25/11/2008 23:46

Ooh, ladies, that's encouraging. Maybe my withdrawing my ear on all things marriage turmoil might spur DB on to make a move. Fingers crossed. Great to hear that you feel so positive now about making the break, grumpalina. Thanks for posting.

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wehaveallbeenthere · 25/11/2008 23:59

You are in a particularly delicate situation. Who hasn't been confided in with the prospect of a relationship (many times abusive) breakup?
Having been on both ends I can't stand when people (when it is you needing help) that know everything and won't tell you which end is up. Then there is the other end where they need you to tell them and that is a double edged sword as well. You can't win.
If you speak your mind you cannot take back what you say...if they get back together later your friend, family, spouse will always know the side you took before and what you said. Hard feelings are inevitable.
My advice is...if you want to withdraw to say how painful this is for you because you see them in pain. DO NOT say anything about the other person. Just say what you need to and withdraw.
If you decide not to withdraw then continue with nodding in all the right places, DO NOT say anything about the other person and just be generally supportive. You really have no other safe place or position in which to do anything other.

VictoriaMeldrew · 26/11/2008 00:11

Thanks, wehaveallbeenthere. Unfortunately, it's been too late for that. DB has asked on several occasions what I think - of the situation, of his wife. He has shared emails she has written to him with me - presumably for a response? And I can be quite fiery in my own right and have found it hard not to react to some of what he has described. Even my lovely mum who's known for never judging a soul has had things to say about this. I do hear what you're saying - it is sound advice - yet I have already passed this point. Thanks, though.

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wehaveallbeenthere · 26/11/2008 02:11

VictoriaMeldrew, I am sorry for your brothers pain and your own (and your families). Sometimes you have to make a stand...you are not given a choice. I hate to say it, and it does sound like you (and your brother) are already at that point and know it to be so. Maybe if you point out that she is literally destroying your brother emotionally and it takes it's toll physically as well. He needs to do this (face her and break it off completely) to save face, emotional stability, and probably his life. Tell your brother that there are a lot of really good women out there that would appreciate him. After so long in an abusive relationship a person tends toward dependency on the abuser...because it is the only thing they can depend on, more of the same. It is the only stability they expect. He needs to see a therapist to tell him to seek his independence and find his stability in himself. He has lots of loving family to back him up. Good luck to you all.
Your sis in law needs to seek therapy as well. She may not see it but having an affair she is not only destroying her marriage but herself. Whether together or apart they both need serious help.

mymama · 26/11/2008 03:49

My sis was in a relationship like this for years. Eventually myself and my other sis said, in a very round a bout way, leave or shut up. She stopped moaning to us and 12 months later she left. She moved out and got sorted before she told us. Best thing she ever did. I think her realisation that she needed to either get happy or get out helped her immensely.

I feel for you. It is very difficult to see and speak to the other half when you know the ins and outs of the relationship. Ultimately it affects any family get togethers and your relationship with them as a couple.

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