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Who is being unreasonable as we both think its the other one...

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Bathsheba · 13/11/2008 16:32

(Sorry I'll probably rant but I hate it when people get me all riled up...)

My Mum (who is 68) lives in a wee row of 1 bedroom houses - these were originally old people's houses but now also house young disabled people and one guy who has psych and drug issues. There are 7 houses.

There is some parking (for about 6 cars, only about 3 residents have cars) and a sign up with says "Parking Exclusively For The Use of Numbers 14 - 24A Cherry Tree Lane" and is signed Happytown City Council (well you know waht I mean...the actual street and town name are there).

No-one EVER pays any attention to this sign and the parking officials don't enforce it.

Today I'm driving up to my Mums, I go to park in one of these 6 spaces, and this woman cuts in and parks in the last space -= gets out her car and starts walking accross the road (away from the little houses). I wind down my window and ask her to move her car - the sign says its for residents and she doesn't live there. She agrees she doesn't live there (she lives at number 4), but she argued "I've lived there for a long time". Which I pointed out didn't actually matter. She responded that I didn't live there either, but I replied I was going to visit my elderly mother who does live there.

At that point I rolled up the window, didn;t respond to her any more, she moved the car but while she was turning, another space became free and she just drove into that one instead.

So, who was right - I think I have a right to park there as my Mum is a resident and I know if its only residents and visitors who use the sapces then there are enough. She thinks that because she has lived accross the road for a long time and has always parked there that she should be allowed to park there.

(As another aside, the woman accross in number 6 - again not one of these houses - rents out her house and has told the students who rent it that they can park in these spaces because "no-one minds and she always parked tehre herself when she lived in the house". 2 young students moved in, the house itself is literally about 300 yards from the university, so the 2 cars they brought with them are parked there all day every day and never move - if they took their cars to Uni they would probably end up parking further away).

Number 4 (the lady who I argued with today) parks in these spaces. As does her husband, and sometimes her daughter, and the 2 students accross the road...and my Mum often has to squeeze into the last space meaning only 1 resident is actually parked in these resident only spaces.

My Mum has spoken to the traffic wardens who do nothing, and she has written to the council who have passed her concerns onto the local councillor....and nothing has happened from there. As there are no permits, there is no way for residents to prove they live there and therefore nothing to prove to officials that these other cars don;t live there. My Mum would happily pay for a parking permit for those spaces IF they would actually be policed and these other local residents would stop parking there. After all, this woman at number 4 and the 2 students at number 6 see the sign every time they drive in and MUST feel something to know that every time they park there they shouldn't be parking there. (I can only think that was why the lady from number 4 was so defensive today when I challenged her, because she knows she shouldn't park there)

Sorry I've rambled on - but basically do I have a right to park there visiting my Mum who is a resident, or does she have a right to park there as she always has and no-one enforces the sign that is up.

OP posts:
coppertop · 13/11/2008 16:39

I would interpret "For the use of 14-24A" as meaning that the spaces are to be used by the residents of those houses.

The woman at no.4 doesn't live there so has no right to park there.

The students at no.6 also have no right to park there.

I would also say that as a non-resident you have no right either.

I think the only way for the council to enforce this would to bring in a residents only parking permit scheme, which I think usually costs money to buy a permit.

coppertop · 13/11/2008 16:40

Just re-read and realise my post sounds abrupt. It wasn't meant to be. I can see why it's all confusing.

Simplysally · 13/11/2008 16:44

I agree with Coppertop but the 3 residents who do use the spaces might not want to pay for a permit if they can normally get a space when they want one.

Thomcat · 13/11/2008 16:45

Neither of you have any rights to park there.
Neither of you live in the houses the spaces are for. You are visiting. Doesn't give you any rights at all.

stirfry · 13/11/2008 16:46

you are all unreasonable.

She has no right to park there but neither do you.

You are visiting your mother but you are still not a resident.

You can't moan about others parking there wrongly when you are doing exactly the same thing.

ohdearwhatamess · 13/11/2008 16:48

Don't think either of you have a right to park there.

Bathsheba · 13/11/2008 16:50

To be honest its one of these things that I wish I had done, was to offer to this woman that NEITHER of us park there...

No-one can ever get a space - today there was a car from number 2 that has been parked there for 2 weeks because the family are on holiday (My Mum knows this because its been their daughters who have been walking the dogs) and a couple of cars from the Health Centre up the road.

The "on street" parking isn't metered - so for all these other local residents they can park on the road for as long as they want - no permit or ticket required - they just like these spaces ebcause they see them as "safer" than being on the road (My Mum has had her car vandalised a couple of times which is why she wants to park in these spaces as she can see them from her window)

OP posts:
mooog · 13/11/2008 16:58

I am not sure why you think it is alright for you to park there but not the lady from no4, or for that matter, the students.

The only people that should be parking there are the residents.

clam · 13/11/2008 18:06

But if the OP's mother doesn't have a car, then she is parking in lieu of her mother, in a way.
But I think she has more right to park there as a visitor to a resident than people across the road who have no right at all.

llareggub · 13/11/2008 18:10

I'm not quite sure why the council would pass it to a councillor to deal with. Are you sure it wasn't the other way around? It is up to the council to enforce it, not coucillors. Councillors can kick arse at the council to get things moving, but they certainly shouldn't be passing it back to a councillor.

Anyway, I think you are both being unreasonable.

piratecat · 13/11/2008 18:15

i have a space. i would say my if my family or friends were visiting me that they have more right to park in it than a complete stranger.

Bathsheba · 13/11/2008 18:50

I accept that I probably have no right to park there either - however I do think, with the nature of the housing that there is some leeway for relatives/carers etc of the residents to park there - certainly more than the woman accross the road who has lived there for a long time or some students who never ever move their cars because they walk to university.

llareggub - that was definately the way round it was - my Mum wrote a letter to the Roads dept at the council explaining the situation, the lack of enforcement, the fact that other local residents with multiple cars park their cars there, as do the attendees at a local place of worship if they see a space. She also stated that if a permit parking scheme was brought in, she would be willing to pay for a permit IF that meant that other people wouldn't be allowed to park there and that would be policed - the council replied that the matter had been passed to her local councillor.

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llareggub · 13/11/2008 19:06

I think you need to pick it up again, if necessary with a complaint. This is NOT the way that local government works (trust me, I know!) and I suspect you are being fobbed off. It is up to officers to consult with the community on residential parking schemes, not councillors. Whilst councillors make decisions , they are based on recommendations presented by officers.

You could however contact the local councillor to express your dissatisfaction. Potentially he or she will lobby on your behalf to get a satisfactory outcome, however you need to remember that you are talking about a very small number of residents who appear to have preferential parking over the wider community. Perhaps the other residents have also complained about the spaces being reserved for a small number of people? Who knows.

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