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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

...to not want the OW in my house?

46 replies

PatienceRequired · 09/11/2008 10:59

Ok long story short...
My husband and i seperated 2.5 years ago after i found out he was having an affair. Our marriage had been on the rocks for some time and i jumped for joy when i found out as i had tried leaving him a couple of times, but took him back as i couldn't bear taking the kids away from their dad, even though he refused to act like a responsible husband and father, to our two children.

Fast forward 2.5 years, i have a wonderful(most of the time lol) partner, we have bought a house together and have a beautiful daughter together. I have never wanted my husband back. ie this query is not due to my jealousy!

So here is the problem: My daughter will be 6 next month and is having a party, this is her first party at an organised venue rather than a party at home. She didn't have a party at all last year due to me being pregnant, moving house and lack of money. So it is a really big deal to her. Understandably.
Her dad has given me some money towards her party. The party will be on a Sunday and her actual birthday will be on the Monday. He lives an hours drive away but dosent drive, and so it is always up to me to do the driving when he does choose to see them. which is sporadic to say the least.

When i spoke to him last week and asked if he was going to come to her party, he said he didnt know if "we" will make it to the party, but "we" may come up on the Monday instead. I think he sees them spending time with DD here, but i really dont want her in my house. I see her as scum of the earth for various reasons which i would happily list but feel i am waffling already. I have no desire to have him back, if it wasnt for the kids i wouldn't have anything to do with him, i have no respect for either of them, but tolerate him to try to do right by the kids. But does this mean i have to have her in my home???

AIBU????

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RubyRioja · 09/11/2008 15:42

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LadyLaGore · 10/11/2008 09:47

belated response, sorry;
i have to cut and paste to answer you, hope you dont mind.
"Lady galore, you are the first yabu response, and in it you say HE isn't around often. I would accept him in the house, but he said "we" and my problem lies with having to welcome her. Also if he isn't around often and never has the crap bits of parenting, why should he come on her birthday and have all the glory.
Obviously i would allow him in the house if he did come but surely you can see my point??"

i realise you dont want to accept her, i do see your point. i realise you do all the hard bits of parenting, while he gets away with precious little... HOWEVER, this isnt actually about you, its about your daughter and her birthday, about her needing to feel the love of both of her parents if possible on her birthday. shes 6. do you think she needs to feel/see the antagonism between you adults? do you think its her responsibility to acre what the adults feel about anything? no. it isnt. you do the hard bits of parenting along with the nice stuff, and im afraid, in my book, this just boils down to one of the hard bits.
feel as resentful as you like towards her, but dont show it. grit your teeth and be civil because that would be what your daughter deserves.

Flamesparrow · 10/11/2008 09:53
PurpleLostPrincess · 10/11/2008 10:17

There are various issues here imo -

  1. Transport - I agree with the others, he needs to get off his butt and do a bit of the work for his own children and not have you running around after him. I know thats not always as easy as it sounds so maybe set him a timescale e.g. after Christmas he needs to be able to arrange his own transport or you will be forced to reduce the frequency of visits; giving him plenty of time to get a driving licence or arrange something else. This takes the pressure off you but you still get the occasional break and he might actually start to wake up a little! Not to mention the price of petrol (is he contributing to that by the way?). My xh lives a ten minute drive away and we take it in turns to do the lifts and are flexible about it. For all my xh's faults, at least he seems to take responsibility (in some areas anyway!).
  1. The OW. It would seem that my situation is somewhat unique from what I've read - I'm good friends with both my xh's current girlfriend and the girl he was seeing when we split up - she did me a BIG favour imo!!! (long long story). The question I would ask is, what is the relationship between DD and the OW? THAT is the main issue here. I agree with LLG, its about the example you set to the children. Also, you need to look to the future - what happens when DD gets married or on her 18th/21st birthdays? How are you all going to get along? Don't get me wrong, it wouldn't bother me if I never saw xh again but I grin and bear it for the sake of the kids.

They were 7 and 3 when we split up and I've re-married and have another DD with DH now - DS (now 14) isn't bothered about going to his dads because he has seen him for who he is through having contact with him and being let down by him; so I completely agree with your reasons for them still seeing him.

2point4kids · 10/11/2008 10:25

The first thing I thought when I read your OP, was 'well why not invite her too?'

But then I am coming from the point of view of having divorced parents at a young age and despite the fact that my parents were happier apart, both had new partners that they were very happy with, they still acted completely childishly and refused to let each other in their houses etc.

Its your DD's birthday party fgs. She wants her Dad there. Her Dad's partner is a long term one, so obviously someone that is involved in your DDs life. You are happy with your partner. You are happy that you are no longer with your ex.
Just invite them both to the party!

The biggest stress of my wedding day was the fact that I was worried my parents would argue with either and not be grown up about things just for one day for the sake of my feelings! Dont let it get to that point for the sake of your DD!

Rant over!!

lou33 · 10/11/2008 10:33

yanbu

my exh rarely sees the kids because he says i make it impossible for him

what he means is i wont pick him up at the station, bring him to my house and let him spend the day there with them, then drop him back to get his train afterwards

he thinks i should be making more effort to ensure he maintains a relationship with our children

PurpleLostPrincess · 10/11/2008 10:48

Just re-read my post and have to say that I'm not suggesting for one moment that you should be-friend the OW, just that a little tolerance might be called for. Like 2pt4 says, you've moved on and you have a happy life now without him so what would you lose?

Have you asked DD what she feels about it? I'm not saying she should make the decision at six years of age; but faced with the options, would she be more gutted that he can't make the party or more gutted at not seeing him on her birthday day? Or perhaps she wants to see him later in the week, therefore stretching out the birthday celebrations? Surely her feelings should form an element of the decision and you should tell xh that too?

lou33 at your xh!!!

StewieGriffinsMom · 10/11/2008 11:04

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PatienceRequired · 10/11/2008 14:14

Ok let me respond as well as i can to your various posts....i was trying to answer you all individually but my anwers seem to cover a few of you at a time.
Note this has ended up a very long post, please bear with me

First of all i cant help but wonder if Lou33 and i may have the same exh!! this is exactly what he is like. If i didn't drive the kids to him, it would be my fault that he never saw them. (In his opinion)
While i agree with the theory that he should make the effort, he won't! He only saw them once in 17 months until i started driving them. And even that one time it was me doing the transport!

LadyLaGore, firstly apologies for mistyping your name earlier, for some reason i have always read your name as Galore, and it is only now i notice it is in fact LaGore!!

I absolutely Do Not want my daughter to be affected by my feelings wrt her dad or the ow. I agree wholeheartedly that she is an innocent bystander in all this. Hence i do all the ferrying. I also give objective answers to her when she asks
Her:"why hasn't daddy phoned yet when he said he'd phone 2 weeks ago?
Me:"Perhaps he's really busy at work darling!"
Her: "Why dosent daddy come to my special class assembly?"
Me:"He cant get here beacuse he dosent drive"
Her: "Why dosent he get a bus?"
Me: "I don't know, perhaps you could ask him the next time you talk to him" etc etc

I would also like to clarify that my problem is with letting her into the house. If they both come to her party then that is fine, i'll be civil and involve them.

However if he comes to the house on her birthday, she will be all daddy's girl and i would like to be able to have some time to make her feel special on her birthday. Again i clarify, if he did come i would let him in and involve him, but its the classic thing of her knowing i am here all the time and therefore i wouldn't get a look in if he did come, so i would rather he didn't. But i can see that i cant stop him because of my feelings.
If OW came with him it would be even worse as not only would i feel uncomfortable in my own home, but i would get less of a look in, and while that may seem childish, she is my daughter, not hers. I gave birth to her and have done the hard graft of rearing her this far. This woman has taken her daddy away and banned my children from her house when they first got together. FGS she knew me and the kids before she got with him so how could she make that stand. Of course he, being as spineless as he is, accepted her ban!!! Why should she deny me some special time with DD?
I also cant help but feel that she would somehow contaminate the house if she came. She was riddled with std's, and having to be treated for all of them at the time was bad enough without her being in my home now. Naturally DD would want to show her, her bedroom etc, so she will be all over the house. She is mentally unstable and DD often comments that she spent so much time crying/screaming etc. So we would all be on tenderhooks in case she was going to kick off! She looks like a druggie, (really!, i thought it was just me being bitchy, so said nothing to anyone about my impression, but 3 other people have said the same thing to me!)and i only hope it is medication that makes her look that way rather than illegal drug use. They also both smoke and promise that they smoke outside while kids are there but the kids always reek of it when they come home. I have to wash all clothes and bath kids asap. i cant be doing with that smell in my house, apart from not liking it i have a baby too.

I agree that we adults should do the best for the kids, so that they are unaffected by our differences. My partner's parents split up over 24 years ago and his mum is so bitter still, it causes problems at every family get together. In no way do i want this for my children. My partner was married, and has two grown up children with her, and we all rub along together great. She has taken my children out to park both on her own, and with us before, we go for a drink, i visited her in hospital on my own, after she had an op, we do favours for each other, so i understand that it dosent have to be nasty and spiteful. But i like his wife, and we probably would be friends had we met by any other means. I dont like OW, didn't like her before they got together. However for the kids sake, i am civil when i drop them off, i say hello etc despite wanting to gouge her eyes out. If she came to the party i would be civil, but i dont want her in my home.
So purple lost princess, i can relate to your situation, but they can come to the party surely. Re transport There is no hope of him learning to drive, he promised me this for 8 years and never did anything about it. He has also just been made redundant so now will have no funds for anything. (I fear the meagre maintainance may cease soon!)
Your question re the relationship between DD and OW is quite relevant i think. My DD likes her, in the way that 5 year olds like anyone who lets them do what they want. She spends one to one time with her and dosent have to worry about running a house at the same time, with a baby, or school runs, homework, cooking dinner etc. I cant compete with that, which is why i see her birthday as an important time for me to spoil her (in terms of time rather than ££ IYKWIM)

Everyone assures me that as kids in similar situations grow up they realise how crap the dad(in this sit) are, and i yearn for that day. I get "daddy said he'd buy me that,(he dosent), or she did this with me, why dont you change your hair like hers? (Shes a minger!) It drives me insane inside, but is 14 the age of realisation or did your son realise before now??

You also ask what my daughter would like to happen, again very relevant...
Yesterday we wrote a list of who she would like to invite to her party, and she listed half the class, as they do. We talked about how many would be a good number and reduced it. About an hour later she asked if we could write a list of grown-ups to come, so we did. I expected them to be top of the list! She wanted to invite me and my partner, his 2 children, and her godmother! She never mentioned her dad or ow. I think because she is so used to only seeing him at his, the thought never entered her head. Its like she has compartmentalised his life to just his house.

He phoned yesterday, (8 days after he told dd he would) and i told him i had booked the party and what time it was. He didn't really want to know the details, and when i asked if he was coming he said he didn't know. To be honest i would be amazed if he got here, but if he suggests that they come on the Monday i am going to say we have made plans, therefore not banning her from the house and making an issue. It is bound to be such a rare issue that that should deal it for now.

I really appreciate your responses, and POV'S, and welcome any more...I am sorry to hear how a similar issue has affected so many of you in a negative way, i endeavour to prevent that happening to my children but feel i shouldnt have to make all the sacrifices. It takes two after all

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pingping · 10/11/2008 15:32

I don't think yabu but I do think you should grin and bare it what ever she has done in the past if your children are around her I would rather know how she acts with them or how they act with her. Also you will look like the bigger person if you refuse her entry she will then bitch about you and it will be an excuse for your EXH not to come down.

BarbieLovesKen · 10/11/2008 15:40

I dont think you are being unreasonable at all but at the same time, do you not want her in the house because you are not "over" him? i.e. if you didnt care, it wouldnt bother you if she was in the house or not?

Wigglesworth · 10/11/2008 15:52

Why would you want to have her in your house? YANBU, she buggered off with your husband (I know he is as much to blame if not more), why would you want to be all nicey nice with her. Agree though just make your excuses good though so you don't seem like a bitch.

lou33 · 10/11/2008 15:54

my exh is a long term source of bemusement and comedy value to myself and mn now

the kids understand it is not me stopping him from seeing them, my youngest is 7, so hopefully yours will come to realise that too

it's a shame of course, but i see no reason why he cant make efforts (meaning both our exh h's) of their own volition to ensure they see their children

i was paying for him to see them at one point, funnily enough he managed to turn up then

he doesnt even call now, as he says he has not enough money to put credit on his phone (the one i bought him to keep in touch with them)

i really do sympathise

wrt the ow, i think it is entirely up to you who you let in your house , if you dont want her there, you dont have to

sugarbobbingapple · 10/11/2008 16:42

Hi i have been the ' stepmum' to my 1st husbands dc and then when he and i split he became stepdad to his new gf's dd. So i have experience on both sides.

My ex used to be a complete sod to his dd's from his 1st marriage. Like yours he simply couldnt be bothered sometimes yet always blamed exw saying she made life complicated. I tried to keep peace by all by she never made that easy even though we met after they were seperated. I would never have expected to be allowed into her house under any circumstances. It would have felt way to uncomfortable.

When h and i seperated he was with new gf with in weeks even though he still lived at the house with me and our dc. With in a month of seeing her she was pregnant. Didnt bother me in the least as i no longer loved him. I wished them well. They were skint so i lent them dvd's to watch. All very amicable and when he came to collect kids he brought her daughter along too and she used to come in while the dc were getting all their stuff together. I never had a problem with that as she was only 7 and was an innocent. But i would never have let her mother in. No way it was my home.

So i would neither expect to be invited in to an ex's wife/gf's house and i certainly wouldnt want them in my home either.

I think your doing an amazing thing by helping their father stay in touch but you may be doing more harm than good in the long run. Your dc are too young to understand about his lack of commitment to them. But one day they will.

He sounds a complete arse. His been invited to his dd's party but not sure if he can make it? what a loser im sorry but thats his little girls party he should make it. No excuses.

My xh stopped seeing our dd's before i moved, when i met my now dh and i recently heard his left wife no 3 after she found out she had cancer and is now grooming wife to be no 4!!

Some men just cant be helped.

Stop helping him. He needs to grow up and be the father they deserve.

So YADNBU.

TinkerBellesMum · 10/11/2008 16:47

I do go around to my stepsons house, but then I wasn't the OW (there wasn't one!)

I can see why you wouldn't want her in your house. Tell him he can either bring her to the party or come on his own as you don't want her at your house.

Bonnycat · 10/11/2008 17:19

YADNBU I think you sound like you are doing your best to keep things as peaceful as you can for your children and i admire you for that but i dont see any reason why that should extend to letting her into your home.

lizziemun · 10/11/2008 18:13

YANBU

You have invited him/them to your dd's birthday party and leave at that.

on a seperate note what does WRT mean. I just cannot think what it means, put down to me being pg and my brain has shunk to nothing .

SummerC · 10/11/2008 20:56

wrt - with regards to

SummerC · 10/11/2008 21:01

YADNBU. If I were in your position, I know I would struggle with the idea of letting the other woman into my house, regardless of whether or not she did me a favour in ending a failing marriage.

OTOH, I can seen LadyLaGore's point. At the end of the day, the party is for your dd and if it makes her happy to have her daddy there, then you may just have to paste the best smile you can on your face and count the hours until that woman leaves your house.

Saying that, I would never say you are being unreasonable. The fact that you thought to post it on here and get some feedback shows just how much you care about your dd and want her day to be perfect.

Best of luck to you whatever you decide.

PatienceRequired · 11/11/2008 15:57

Again, thank you all for your posts.

BarbielovesKen, this is not because i am not over him. I was over him before we separated! i had tried to leave a few times but couldn't carry it out due to feeling guilty for the children's sake. If i were to be single for the rest of my life i still wouldn't take him back.

SummerC to clarify: the party is to be held at a venue out of the house, and i feel ok about them being at it. I have told him when it is, so it is up to him to get there, if he can be bothered. What worries me is that he said at one point that "we may not be able to make the party but we may come on the Monday instead", ie to the house.

To be honest the more i think about it, i wonder if i am worrying about nothing as i cant see him getting here either day. it would simply take to much effort to even look into the possibility of getting public transport let alone use it.

I know i am not the only one, but how did i fall for such a waster? its the children i feel sorry for, its always them that suffer isn't it.

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SummerC · 13/11/2008 22:25

You did your children a favour by ending this marriage PatienceRequired. As difficult as divorce can be, it is even more difficult being raised in a tense home environment. That would be the mark of true suffering for your children. Be patient, one day they will be old enough to know their father as one adult to another and it will be up to them whether they decide to allow him to remain in their lives.

Chin up duck...you sound like a brilliant mum.

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