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where can i find a multicultural area on the outskirts of london, with a low crime rate, good schools, friendly people and reasonably priced houses and good transport links!

122 replies

sunshineakindat · 07/11/2008 14:03

hi. i have 4 boys and would love to live in an area on the outskirts of london which is multicultural and green. I have moved so many times and want to find an area that i'm happy with before the boys reach secondary school age. I love art and would love access to some nice galleries. my husband works in central london so would need easy access to oxford street. We are black british and being in a multicultural area is important to us. I have white friends as well as black and would love an area that has a nice mix of everyone! we can stretch to 250000 for a 4 bed house which i know isnt much in london! good schools are a must! thankyou for your help. I hope someone can help me.

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paow · 07/11/2008 14:32

What about Kent.
Canterbury-Faversham-Whitsable, LOVELY!

MrsMattie · 07/11/2008 14:34

Whitstable isn't that multicultural, though, is it? We spotted two other black people in a whole weekend there

Bubbaluv · 07/11/2008 14:34

Hemel is pretty suburban and pretty white IMO. There are some really nice villages/towns around it though. All pretty white though, and certainly don't feel like you're attached to London.

Ewe · 07/11/2008 14:35

I do know Epsom very well, I live here! Obviously depends on which school you need to be near as to where would be best for you location wise.

Places to avoid: Longmead Estate, Watersedge Estate and up near Ruxley Lane isn't terribly nice.

I live up near Epsom Common which is nice, good pub, common and pond and it's near the woods for walks (has a lovely church if that would be of interest).

The area between Epsom town centre and Epsom Downs is lovely, lots of period property, varying in size and easy to get to the town centre. If you were going to look outside of Epsom then Ewell is very nice, as is Ashtead. How old is your DD1?

lulabellarama · 07/11/2008 14:37

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silverfrog · 07/11/2008 14:38

ooh, thanks, will note and digest.

dd1 is 4, and ASD. She is starting at a nursery attached to St joseph's Catholic School. obviously, we need to bear in mind dd2 as well 921 months, so may need a nursery/pre-school within the next year). also have 2 teen step children, so we need a pretty big house!

Church is of interest (i am RC, dh CofE, girls are neither yet!). Also woods sound good (as long as they are of the safe variety) - we have a dog too.

Lauriefairycake · 07/11/2008 14:42

"According to the 2001 Census Dacorum has the highest population of all Hertfordshire?s Boroughs and Districts, with 137,799 residents. 15% of the residents are aged 65 or more and 19.7% are aged under 15. There are 57,612 (2003 figure) dwellings, of which around 20% (11,291) are owned by the Council. The 2001 census indicated that people from black and ethnic minority communities constitute 4.6% of the population of Dacorum. 5.2% of households are headed by a lone parent.

However the population profile varies ward by ward: those new town neighbourhoods that were developed most recently have lower than Borough-average age profile, with more young families and higher birth rate. The generation that originally moved to the new town as young adults is now at retirement age, and the proportion of 40-59 year olds, children of the original New Town settlers, is increasing. (Census 2001)

Dacorum is among the 50 most affluent areas in the country, although there are some deprived areas. The last index of Multiple Deprivation, taking a range of economic and social statistical measures, ranked Dacorum at 312 from a total of 353 English Council areas. This means that only 42 authorities are more affluent than Dacorum. However of 27 wards in the Borough, three are in the 50% most deprived wards in England.

The Borough is therefore relatively affluent, with very high levels of car-ownership (1.37 per household, and 42% of households having two or more cars) and high house prices. However even in the most affluent wards, there are pockets of deprivation, 17.3% of households in Dacorum have no access to a car, and access to housing is an issue for many local residents, particularly those on low incomes and key workers.

The service sector employs the largest number of people in the Borough and the trend is for this to increase whilst the manufacturing sector decreases. Service employment increased from 79% to 82% of total employment 1991 ? 1997. Manufacturing fell from 16% to 13%.

Over half of the Borough?s residents are in managerial, professional, technical, clerical, and secretarial occupations, typically based in offices.

Unemployment in Dacorum has remained low for a number of years although it rose slightly in 2002 from 1.6% to 1.7%. Long term unemployment relating to those out of a job for more than a year showed a similar trend rising from 5.8% to 7.9% of the total unemployed during 2002."

I think Hemel is pretty mixed ethnically, not as much as Luton/Watford but more than a lot of the villages. There are at least 6 different cultures in my part of the street.

sunshineakindat · 07/11/2008 14:44

dont hijac my thread silverfrog. start your own! wouldnt mind surrey but we have just moved from southampton as we wanted somewhere closer to london. i want to be able to get out and about easily. thanks for all your help so far its been very useful. husbands thinking about bexley but i heard its quite racist.

OP posts:
Ewe · 07/11/2008 14:51

silverfrog - in that case Epsom Common would be great for you, I live really near St Josephs, it's a lovely, lovely little school. Makes me wish I was a little less lapsed on the Catholicism front!

My DP is CofE and so is my DD and we had her Christened at Christ Church on the common, it really is a fab church, lot's to get involved with, two baby toddler groups a week, kids clubs, parties etc. The sort of area this house is in would be good as there is an alley that connects that road to St Josephs and the girls High School is literally on that road if you have a teen girl of that age group.

lula - my DP was exactly the same and after two years is finally warming to the area but anytime anything happens - for example someone not saying thank you in the car yesterday - is blamed on the fact we are in Surrey!

[hijack and Surrey sales pitch over - sorry OP!]

MichaelaS · 07/11/2008 14:51

You could try Brittania Village (e16), east of Canary Wharf? or canning town / beckton which are around there too. It's on the DLR, near the ExCeL center and the O2, will greatly benefit from the olympics transport links and I know there is a great school there (run by a friend of mine).

Definitely multicultural, good commuting, not sure whether its "green" enough but there are local parks etc. There are one or two properties around there for that sort of price too (probably not the best houses in the area though!)

it's an up and coming place which is relatively new build, but that's exactly the sort of place you can get a bargain.

Ewe · 07/11/2008 14:52

Sunshine - how outskirts do you want?

Somewhere like Denmark Hill/East Dulwich is great from a multicultural and having kids perspective but is still inner London but doesn't feel like it if you see what I mean? Although suspect property there is not terribly cheap.

Will keep thinking for you!

rislip · 07/11/2008 14:56

I live in Walton on Thames in Surrey, it's only 25 mins on train to waterloo. Is that too far? Great schools, good shops, lovely dog walking....

Oh hang on, is surrey out?

Ewe · 07/11/2008 15:00

Streatham?

Morden? A bus or a drive to the tube though

Uxbridge is on a tube line

East Ham

The problem you are going to have is that with your budget, none of these are great areas. However if you can't compromise on a bedroom or your budget then location is going to have to be what has to give.

Places like Bexley, in fact, anywhere Essex, Kent, Surrey are all much for much and none of them will give you the London buzz but will probably be nicer plces to bring up your children but your DH will have to commute probably 45mins - 1hour each way.

pippibluestocking · 07/11/2008 15:04

I am afraid that you won't get a 4 bed in Hither Green for £250. If you are lucky and prepared to do a bit of work, you may get a 4 bed in Catford (on Hither Green side) for approx £280.

pippibluestocking · 07/11/2008 15:12

Also, I agree with your DH - Bexley might be a bit racist - anywhere around that area really - Eltham / Welling / Belvadere / Erith - wouldn't venture to these area if you are looking for racial tolerance (although I am certain that there are MANY tolerant people living in these areas, there is most certainly a section who are not).

FattipuffsandThinnifers · 07/11/2008 15:12

Don't think you'll get what you're looking for at that price just about anywhere in London I'm afraid! Lol someone saying East Dulwich/Denmark Hill (I live there), you'd be lucky to get 2-bed flat for that price!

Might find somewhere in real SE London suburbs like Bexleyheath/Woolwich/Abbey Wood but not very multicultural - or indeed nice! (Sorry if anyone lives there...).

jette · 07/11/2008 15:23

Kent is all pretty white, as is Surrey.. How negotiable is the 4 bedroom house? Can some of your children share a room?

Bubbaluv · 07/11/2008 15:27

You really need to halve the bedroom requirement or double your budget. Or wait 6 months to a year for house prices to continue to crash (another 20-30% forecast) and keep saving.

silverfrog · 07/11/2008 15:37

thaks, Ewe, that is a great help. It is good to know the areas I've been looking in aren't complete no-goes (hard to tell online!)

Tried to set up an appointment for the house you linked to in the week, but they can't do tomorrow, which is when we've set aside the day to go house hunting.

OP, it might be useful to define your commute times (and easier stations for your dh to travel into) - this sometimes rules out some areas, and rules in others you may not have thought of.

I am currently in Kent, and the other posters are right - it's fairly white, quite quiet, and dh has had 1hr 20 commute.

LadyOfRoffle · 07/11/2008 15:42

Thames Valley area? Some areas of Slough are actually quite nice 7 it has 3/4 grammar schools.

Ewe · 07/11/2008 15:45

I thought some bits of Camberwell might be cheaper Fattipuffs but even the really shitty bits are still out of the OP's budget. I thought maybe it was just the rent in the area that was extortionate (I lived there until about 9 months ago) but no, it is everything!

silverfrog - not able to do tomorrow, that is ridiculous! Good luck with your house hunting.

The easiest stations for Oxford Circus are Victoria (Victoria Line tube), Waterloo (Bakerloo Line) or Charing Cross (Bakerloo Line). I would suggest going on to national rail and working outwards on all of train routes but I fear you have a struggle ahead of you!

Kammy · 07/11/2008 15:48

What about Watford or Welwyn Garden City - house prices might be slightly higher, but both very nice,good schools, country not devastatingly exciting but evry pleasant.

bamboostalks · 07/11/2008 15:50

Appalling BNP factions in those areas of Kent, wouldn't dream of moving there.Hate even visiting there.

Simplysally · 07/11/2008 15:51

Try Barking & Dagenham, Newham, Redbridge or Waltham Forest (in no particular order) for the transport links/ethnic mix but forget the 4-bed house for 250k. Schools are variable like anywhere else.

If you could narrow the areas down or say the max commute time your DH is looking at, we might be able to help more.

Lozza70 · 07/11/2008 16:01

You could consider Highams Park, in Waltham Forest. Direct train route to Liverpool street, 25 mins. Pretty good schools and Epping Forest on your doorstop. Not sure about getting a 4 bed for £250k though. You could look at local estate agents. www.mcraes.co.uk