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To want to send this letter to my brother (long)

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baffledandupset · 26/10/2008 22:19

Name change regular getting worked up already about family strife over Christmas. Please - don't be horrible to me. I'm feeling a bit fragile tonight.

Anyway, want to send this letter to brother about SIL after a particularly gruesome family get-together at my mum's today. Have changed names for sake of anonymity.

"You?re not going to enjoy reading this. Sorry. I?m writing it for two reasons ? firstly because I?ve finally reached the end of my patience with Mandy?s behaviour and secondly to give you some time before Christmas to think about the practicalities of who goes where and when.

I suspect that you the situation between me and Mandy as being about a clash of personalities.

My understanding is this: that Mandy took a strong dislike to me around the time you two first got together, and has played out that dislike through subtle passive-aggressive behaviour over the past decade while everyone around pretends not to notice. To spell it out: she often makes a point of not acknowledging my presence in the room , and if she does acknowledge my presence it?s without a smile or any sign of interest. She?ll engage in desultory conversation with me if I ask her about herself, but won?t go further than this. She pointedly ignores my children and always has done. She?ll say goodbye to everyone in the room and hug them but either say nothing to me or at most leave the house with a casual ?bye? over her shoulder. She makes a point of contradicting me and of being dismissive of my opinions, though usually only if other people are listening. Otherwise she barely responds to my conversation. I could go on but I?m conscious it possibly sounds nit-picking and a bit silly to you. On the other hand you?re aware that Mandy has a history of taking violent dislikes to people for reasons that are very hard for most of us to understand, and you know she?s behaved vindictively towards these people at work. I can?t imagine what it must be like to be on the receiving end of this sort of behaviour from someone you have to work with.

Apart from on a few recent occasions where I?ve become so upset and worn down by her hostility that I?ve deliberately stopped trying to engage with her, on the whole I?ve not been anything other than polite and warm, have always taken an interest in her work and her life generally, have regularly invited her to our home and shown her hospitality, year after year, despite constant snubbing and a determination on her part not to return the courtesy.

At times she?s moved beyond simple coldness to do things that were downright odd and unkind ? like when ds was born, having not visited after the birth she managed to trump herself by not even acknowledging I?d given birth when I saw her the first time I went to mums afterwards a fortnight after, or looked at ds until she was forced to by mum asking her to. When mum told me about the way she?s behaved towards Mira [db's and SIL's friend, neighbor and former childminder] - blanking her, crossing the road when she sees her coming, not acknowledging or congratulating her on the birth of her baby, I had a sense of déjà vu. I wished I could say to Mira that I understood how upset Mandy?s behaviour made her feel ? it?s incredibly hurtful at a time when you are feeling quite raw and emotional already. And of course Mira has more to feel upset about than most, having had such a terrible time with losing her baby before this pregnancy. I used to agonise about what I?d said or done to offend Mandy. I?m sure Mira has done the same.

I also suspect it?s not occurred to Mandy that Steph [my sister] and mum and dad are aware of how she behaves towards me and are baffled and upset by it.

Anyway ? the point of all this isn?t just to let off steam ; the point is to ask you to address it. I can?t carry on behaving as though I haven?t noticed: it?s poisoning the time we spend together as a family at mum and dad?s. If I think Mandy is going to be there with you when I come around then I start feeling tense and upset on the way over. I feel really wounded by her behaviour and it undermines my confidence in myself. More to the point I really don?t see why I should be exposed to mean spirited behaviour in my family home. I?ve also had a bit of difficulty reconciling myself to the part you play in all this. I?ve heard you asking Steph to come and spend an evening with you at your home on three occasions in the past three weeks. I found myself thinking 'that?s three times more invitations than we?ve received in the past 13 years'. I?ve wondered what?s stopped you from extending the same hospitality to us as we?ve shown to you? It?s your home too. It?s left me wondering ? do you concur with Mandy, or is it just that you can?t find a way of challenging her behaviour. Whatever, I can?t imagine DH tolerating me behaving like that towards one of his sisters.

Anyway - I would like to think that you can address this issue with Mandy. Perhaps try and put it to her that it's not acceptable for her to be rude and cold to a member of your family who's done nothing to upset her. Or if you can't bring yourself to talk to her about it then begin to think about how we're going to organise Christmas. I'm not going to let her spoil my time with mum and dad once again this year, as she's done every year as far back as I can remember"

Send it or bin it?

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branflake81 · 28/10/2008 16:41

I think you should NOT send the letter. It's far too long and detailed and potentially very upsetting.

Have you even tried talking to "Mandy" - perhaps she hasn't realised what she's doing or how she's making you feel?

If you sent a letter like that about me to my DP I would be a) devestated, b) have no idea what to do to make things right other than simply not come to any more family functions and c) feel cross that you'd put my DP in a v awkward position.

Surely it's better to talk about things first? Letters are for later.

clam · 28/10/2008 17:04

My initial feeling was, "whoah! This'll kick things off" although it sounds as though you have every cause to feel baffled and upset.
It's a rational and reasoned letter, but I can't see how it's going to help. You see, first thing is, he'll probably go straight to her and show it. Would you be happy about that? Second, he must be aware of the frostiness on her part towards you. So, he has therefore either to tackle her about it in private, which hasn't worked because she's still being a cow, or he's chosen to ignore it. In which case, how's that going to change now you've brought it up?
He's stuck in the middle, but he has to side with her really, as she's his wife. Life would be unbearable otherwise.
But, if you really want to know what it is that you've done wrong (turn of phrase - you probably haven't done anything, and it's her stuff), you could ask him (face to face, preferably) but coming from the "this really upsets me and I want to improve relations" point of view. If he came up with a reason for it (e.g. jealousy/fertility problems/whatever) then it might not solve it, but at least it would put you in a stronger position to be able to rise above it and ignore it.
But I do sympathise. I have a Sister-In-Law too!!

DorisIsAPinkDragon · 28/10/2008 17:26

Have to say I'm not sure the letter will help although maybe meeting him and explaining how unhappy her attitude is making you may clear the air a little, If your mum and dad and sis are all aware can you not get them onside so to speak and step in when this behaviour presents maybe "shaming" her into improving her attitude ( making a comment on her actions "oh mandy you forgot baffled" etc), rather than accepting the snubs at you which could be interpreted as subtle bullying. I don't think she's ever going to be a bosom buddy but you have to be happy to be in your parents house, without stooping to her level

Good luck it's not going to be easy whatever you do....

baffledandupset · 28/10/2008 17:32

"I have to say, none of your examples strike me as that bad, more that you have a certain expectation of how she should be with you (e.g. excited about your baby)"

No - not expecting her to get excited - just to acknowledge that I'd had a baby, the way that every single other person did at the time, including people I barely knew like the newsagent and the dinner lady at my dd's school. Something like: 'Congratulations. How are you?' and maybe taking a look at the baby, rather than pointedly looking everywhere in the room EXCEPT at him.

pinkdelight, I feel sorry for your SIL. It must be really hurtful for her to know that she's so disliked and probably not to understand why.

I really can't understand the mindset of people who are cold and distant to people in their family and social circle who've not done them any harm. I have nothing in common with my SIL and would also say that she's probably not 'my kind of person'. However, she's a part of my family and for that reason alone I've behaved warmly and taken an interest in her. In any case, I can't take against people to the point of actually being rude or unkind to them unless they've hurt me or someone I love. You don't have to actively like someone to justify behaving kindly towards them - you do it because it's right and because it is what keeps extended families functioning.

Anyway, I'm very grateful for all the responses. I've decided not to send the letter. I think I just needed to let of steam. The bottom line is that sending this letter would make my brother incredibly stressed - he can't control her behaviour. I don't think she can control her behaviour and therefore there would be nothing to be gained by drawing his attention to how I feel or asking him to do anything about the situation.

I have decided that I'm going to try to find a way of not exposing myself to it so often though. I'm going to put my mind to the Christmas arrangements early and talk to my parents about doing things differently this year, so I don't have to deal with it at a time when I just want to relax and celebrate with the people I love and who love me.

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georgiemum · 28/10/2008 17:40

I think you can only really do these things face to face. Write letters by all means, just don't send them or leave them where people can find them if you die (this happened in my family and caused so much pain).

Sorry, I know it will be hard. She does sound like a pain in the wotsit though. Do you think that they are a happy couple?

TinkerBellesMum · 28/10/2008 18:00

I'd send it, but I'd also speak with your family to be sure they're willing to support you. I agree with MonkeyMonkeyMonkey, meet with him, just the two and read it to him, let him read it afterwards. Tell him you wanted to do it like that so you could be sure of what you were saying.

It reminds me of TBD's sister. I don't know what I've ever done to her but she's funny with me - I suspect that it's because of the age gap between me and him, he's the eldest and she's the baby by quite a few years, but I'm quite a bit younger again. She's told people she couldn't come to the hospital to see Tink in the NNU because I wouldn't let her, she did because I insisted when I found out she said that that TBD told her to come. She handed Tink to someone when I walked in a room saying "quick [tbm] won't be happy if she sees me holding her" It's upsetting and I can't imagine living through it for 10 years!

clam · 28/10/2008 18:44

Baffled, I understand your feelings. It's very difficult having someone arrive in your family circle who upsets the apple cart. And doubly hurtful that she seems to be OK with everyone else.
I think you're doing the right thing, in trying to organise Christmas so that contact with her is minimal. Good luck.

mabanana · 28/10/2008 18:50

DO your brother and SIL have children? If not, do you know why?
It might be relevant.
You are right not to send the letter. Why not meet up with your brother and say, 'I love Mandy (I know, a lie) but sometimes I get the feeling I annoy her or upset her or something. Can you be honest with me, I can take it, what's the problem?'

baffledandupset · 28/10/2008 19:30

SIL has two little children of her own who I adore. She had her little boy about 18 months after I had my second. She's not at all maternal, not really, though obviously she loves her own dc's. I don't expect her to love my children but I do expect her to treat them like human beings - use their names, make eye contact with them, acknowledge their presence etc, etc.

I have come to the conclusion that she's just a very odd person. I also think there is an odd mix there of contempt and jealousy for me - my lifestyle and values: I live in a scruffy house in a poor area, I don't work full-time and I buy my clothes from charity shops. She has always earned a good wage, is fantastically expensively dressed and lives in a yuppy area. She has worked full-time until very recently. I think she sees me as a loser, but at the same time I reckon is (understandibly) jealous that I have my lovely mum and dad still who I talk to every day - she lost her dad at 2 and her mum at 19. I also married my dh, brought a house and had children when and how I wanted to. My bro refused to buy a house with her for years and years and took up a job offer abroad without consulting her. They only got a mortgage together after she got pregnant with my nephew (unplanned pregnancy). They aren't married still - not sure whose choice that is.

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Troutpout · 28/10/2008 19:46

Bin it
Spend time with your family when she isn't around...arrange a time at christmas when she won't be there or go after
It isn't worth blowing it all up
She is is wife...he will not side with you. He will see your letter as hard physical proof of how unreasonable you can be.She will forever have this evidence.
Honestly...some of it sounds a little petty when written down although i can totally understand how it has eaten away at you over 10 years or so.
Rise above it...you don't have to be her friend...but it's important not to be her enemy

mabanana · 28/10/2008 21:34

Well then, there lots of reasons for her to find your company hard without it being a reflection on your personality. And let's face it, even if she does find you dull/irritating/a loser/whatever, it doesn't mean that you are a lesser person. Even if she does think any of these things, it's just her opinion and no more valid than anyone else's and a lot less important than what you and the people you love think of you. Raise it with your brother in terms of 'I love her, am I pissing her off?' if you really want, but never send that letter. You risk ending up hardly ever seeing him if you do.

mabanana · 28/10/2008 21:34

btw, I'm sure your kids don't notice and don't care if she doesn't interact with them.

MinkyBorage · 28/10/2008 21:45

bin it, you do need to talk to your bro though. If you send it and she reads it, you will be putting your db in a really difficult position and giving her ammunition for he rirrational problem with you. If you need to write, then why don't you focus on telling your brother how much this upsets you, not how angry it makes you, don't bring other people in to the argument (mira, your mum) this is your battle, she knows what she does and you don't bneed to bring other people in to it to prove it.
Good luck.

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