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To not want my son playing with the "horror" of a boy who comes into our street.

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mumhadenough · 12/10/2008 17:41

DS is 6 and normally plays lovely with "M" next door who is 7. We live in a lovely little estate that is very safe, has speed bumps etc and is generally a good environment for kids. We have a trampoline in our front garden which most of the kids play on and its just a lovely place.

However, a few streets away from our estate is a not so nice bit, its across a very very busy main road though so we weren't that fussed about it when we moved here.

Recently, there's a young lad, 'K' who comes across from the not so nice bit to our street to play, I can't blame him, as I said its a great place for kids. But he's 7, he crosses the main road and is round here for up to 6 hours at a time with no-one obviously checking up on him. Several times my dh has asked ds not to play with M, as we've caught him smashing bottles and just generally being a nasty little shit. I can't describe it, I don't like the wee boy, he's very very cheeky, "smirks" at me whenever I've asked him or my ds not to do something, he constantly jumps our fence despite being asked not to numerous times, then runs away laughing when i go out to reprimand him. grrrr he does my head in.

Anyway, to get to the point, M next door and K are in the same class at school, so quite often when ds and M are playing happily, K will turn up and all hell breaks loose. M's dad doesn't want him playing with this boy but his mum lets him because they are in the same class. She know's his mother, who apparently has had a child removed before and in her words is a bit of a "fuckwit" so I think she feels sorry for him. I did too, when we first moved here I let him come in to play as he'd been wandering the street in the pouring rain, but some money went missing from ds' bank so he's never been allowed in since, but of course I couldn't prove it was him and I would never accuse a child of stealing without proof.

We've told our ds loads of times we don't want him playing with him, but he says he's not, he's playing with M and K just keeps turning up. However, M wants to play with K so our ds tags along, he usually ends up fighting with K at some point.

I know I'm rabbling, but our son is by no means an angel, he's very very easily led and I have seen K try to get him to do stuff, so I really don't want him near him, he's trouble. But what can I do when M is playing with him and ds wants to play with M. Today i've brought him in away from K, he's upset, but he says himself K is a nasty boy and does horrible stuff, but I can't keep taking him away from M.

I'm just at a loss as to what to do. I'm very aware K is the way he is because obviously he is unsupervised most of the time and gets away with murder. he really is going to be a loose cannon when he's older and I don't want my son being involved with him.

Opinions?

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BloodAndMutts · 12/10/2008 18:24

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LetterBomb · 12/10/2008 18:26

Not read all the replied but in my opinion you are definately NOT being unreasonable.

I wouldn't want my kids playing with minature thugs either and have stopped my DS from playing with a VERY similar kid who was the same age (7).

I don't think its snobby, you're just looking out for your own DS's best interests.

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Kimi · 12/10/2008 18:31

Mumhadenough I know exactly where you are coming from, have met a child like this, he made my sons life hell for 4 years.
I think you need to report the fact a 7 year old is allowed to wonder for hours, I would think that the SS know the family already by the sound of them.

If no one does anything for this child he will become another throw away in todays society.

ImnotMamaGbutsheLovesMe · 12/10/2008 18:32

okay, so tell us what you think the good and best things to do are.

mumhadenough · 12/10/2008 18:35

Yes, SS are aware of the family, as I mentioned earlier she's already had a child "removed", he now lives with his father and the mother has no contact. Its a different father from K though.

I don't think I'd be happy speaking to the mother to be honest, neither is neighbour next door. Her dh is friends with the father of the other boy who was removed and apparently she is a "complete nutcase"!

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wehaveallbeenthere · 12/10/2008 18:35

I think that M's mother has the right strategy. You cannot blame K for his background (or lack of it). Your child is going to form your opinions though and K is going to pick up on it too. Actually, it sounds like he already has...hence reacting in the only way a 7 year old can.
Children grow up. If you raise your child to be tolerant, considerate and disciplined he will hopefully retain this into adulthood. If you raise him to hate those that are less fortunate then he will grow up to do the same.
I'm happy that you are well off enough to enjoy a large estate in a nice bit of town. Just remember that things change. Your actions (like everyone elses) have consequences and a ripple effect. Years from now that young man may be doing very well or not but how will he remember you?

ImnotMamaGbutsheLovesMe · 12/10/2008 18:37

Nice at the nutcase comment.

J2O · 12/10/2008 18:58

agree with twiglett

summerdressesandlacyboots · 12/10/2008 18:58

agree with Twigletts and Bloodandmutts comments.

Mumhadenough - I would feel exactly as you and think you are doing thr right thing from your last post. At 7 it is easier to supervise your child and K (who is testing all the time for your reactions, hence the smirk), thank goodness they arent 12/13 when things get much tougher to keep checks

MrsSnape · 12/10/2008 19:17

I wouldn't want my sons playing with kids like this either. Its hard enough keeping kids on the right path without having someone elses kid trying to lead them astray.

Yes its sad for K but at the end of the day, he isn't your responsibility, you must do what is best for your own DS. I know I would.

mumhadenough · 12/10/2008 19:41

Thank you everyone for your input.

Wehaveallbeenthere, I don't live in a large estate in a nice bit of town. I live in a tiny little state that just happens to have nice people living here. We're not snobs, its not a posh area or anything like that! I would say i've always been very very tolerant towards K and i am actually always very nice to him. I'd like to think he'd remember me as the mum who always made sure he had something from the ice cream van when all the other kids in the street did!

I feel as if a few have jumped on me as if I'm some kind of mad ogre mum when I'm honestly not.

As for the nutcase comment, well I'd consider someone who beat the shit out of their sister in the middle of the street to the point where she was hospitalised a bit of a nutcase! But those weren't actually my words, those were my neighbours.

I'm going to leave this thread now. I've never posted on this topic before and I will think twice about doing so again. I didn't realise how inflammatory it could be.

Thank you once again to everyone who hasn't judged me and tried to give me their opinion and advice.

For the moment I am going to do what I think might be the "good" thing. Allow them to play together supervised, continue to give him little treats like I do with all the other kids when they are playing and if I see anything unreasonable etc I will speak to him about it.

If it gets out of hand and he continues to give me abuse and hurt my son or influence him in ways I don't like then I am going to do what I think will be "best" for my son and no longer allow him on our property.

Thanks again x

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wehaveallbeenthere · 12/10/2008 20:32

mumhadenough, I hope you don't take my post as "jumping on you". My mistake about the size of your estate isn't calling you a snob. The rest still stands and I hope you are right that he remembers you as the mum that got him an ice cream with the others.
That may be another reason he tries your patience...he likes attention from you. Any attention, even bad attention is welcome to a child that gets no attention from his parents.
Your plan sounds like a good one.
I think we all have had the same experience at some point. Mine was with a couple of young boys when my son (now 22) was a child. One would get my son in trouble with him at school but never received the same punishment. When I inquired why I found that his mother was dying of cancer and there was no one to take up for him but an adult half brother that had recently married.
Another was mentioned when speaking to another teacher at a different school later on. This child wanted to be a friend to my son but this was to make friends for his mother. He couldn't have been more than 7 or 9 at the time but he seemed to be the only responsible one in the family (mother was very timid and didn't make it through school and father was always off drinking). The young boy was struggling with school and always dirty, and hungry but doing the best he could for his age. We ended up moving out of state and I often wonder how he ended up.

pointygravedogger · 12/10/2008 20:36

On;y read op. This is a problem if your son is easily led. On teh other hand, it can be good for your dc to know some of the local tough kids. Can come in useful.

I think only you can make this call.

mumhadenough · 12/10/2008 20:44

wehaveallbeenthere, that is so sad. You know, I hadn't even considered the any attention is attention thing! even though my own son does this too!

Lol pointygravedogger!

Thanks again x

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pointygravedogger · 12/10/2008 20:52

well, I was being serious there actually .

barnsleybelle · 12/10/2008 20:52

YANBU at all and i think some people on here have been unreasonable to call you a snob.

It's black and white to me tbh.
I would not want my son playing with this child, especially if he's easily led as you say.

It is not your responsibility to worry about K's feelings etc, your ds is what matters and if you and dh feel it's best to keep ds away from him then do it. Parents instinct counts for a lot.
Of course if you are worried about the possiblilty of neglect of this child then call ss, but otherwise just keep ds away. He may rant and rave but he will get over it.

pReachyTheExorcist · 13/10/2008 09:23

'oh c'mon peachy .. I know a 7 year old who smirks in a horribly knowing way too .. immediately after lying to you, normally about whether he's stolen something from your child or not '

well yea, ds1 does it, but its not exactly the end of the world is it- a smile? Now the stealing etc I can understand but a smile is just well- an expression after all.

pReachyTheExorcist · 13/10/2008 09:24

'Of course if you are worried about the possiblilty of neglect of this child then call ss, but otherwise just keep ds away. He may rant and rave but he will get over it. '

It's not a possibility, it's neglect if he's wandering for 6 hours

pReachyTheExorcist · 13/10/2008 09:35

MHE your last post was very warm and caring.

I would strongly urge you to either contact SS or the NSPCC regarding this child, it may well be that they know of lots of other things and if a child was previously removed they will be being followed vrey closely indeed.

FWIW we do have a similar sit here- DS1 is not ADHD but is Aspergers, there is a child at school who I suppose could indeed be referred to as a thug / brat etc- and he has a big influence on DS1 who is obviously from his dx not the most popular child in class.

The thing is though, I feel sorry for the other child. I was friendly with is mum for a bit (not any more, she gave more sn ds3 a tiny poisonous object to play with , and dh had to pull her up after she laughed when her son hit ds2 on the head- she has blanked me since). Anyway, I was close enough to relaise that this poor kid has no chance: he has witnessed a parent being stabbed, has a Mum with verys evere mental health issues, has a stepdad who cares but is plainly exhausted 9and often leaves him in the care of a 13 year old- this is not a child I'd risk that with), his real dad lives rough- basically beyond the basics poor mite is alone in the world.

I can't have him to visit any more but I do try to encourage ds1 to be positive around him and I always make an effort. And things have improved. He looks to me now for a sense of family and I am OK with that I think, all it seems to mean ultimately is a birthday card/ smile at school concerts etc- no big deal.

Obv if ds1 or ds2 were at rsk I'd raise it agin and have had them separated in the past, but its not the childs fault in any way. I could suggest bizarre and cruel things to do with his aprents but I've learend that deep down he's a really nice kid who has been stuffed from the outset.

lolfish1 · 13/10/2008 09:45

I'm totally with HecAteTheir Brians. Your duty is to protect your son - don't feel bad about wanting to do that. Good luck!

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