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AIBU?

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To think that parents in the park should make their DCs take turns on swings etc

50 replies

Treeny · 12/09/2008 22:21

Had a near-meltdown in our local park this afternoon when a couple of parents let their kids monopolise the baby-swings for ages, while others (especially me and DD2!) were waiting.

The park is OK - could be much better, frankly, but it's what we've got - there are a couple of baby-swings and no 'big' swings. But there's a slide, climbing frame, tyre-swing, see-saw, etc for bigger kids. DD1, who is 5, makes the most of what's there - she often meets friends there and they find something to do. DD2 is only a year old, so she's pretty limited to the baby-swings. It's always pretty grim on a Friday afternoon, in terms of being packed with kids and parents. We live in a very mixed inner-city bit of south-east London, but the park is located right beside a small private 'pre-prep' school - the parents of kids who go there do have a tendency to treat the park as an extension of the school and their own private space, and this seems to manifest itself particularly obnoxiously on a Friday, when they're all out in force. DD1 goes to a very good state school nearby, and many of her friends use the park too - but today, as often, we were outnumbered!

So the baby-swings were monopolised by older kids - maybe 5-6 years old - they'd been on for ages, and their parents were right beside them, chatting loudly to each other and disregarding DD2 and me hovering nearby. My usual experience is for parents to notice other children waiting and to limit the amount of time their kids spend on the swings; certainly if my own DD1 is on a baby-swing I make her get off if we see a baby or toddler waiting.

Eventually I get fed up of waiting and say 'are you going to share the swings?' Couldn't quite believe the hostile response I got. First I'm told they didn't see me, and the 'rule' is to wait somewhere other than where I was standing (it's my local park, FGS, I've been going there day in day out for 5 years, even if my DCs don't go to the local 'pre-prep'); then I'm told it's first-come-first-served and there's no reason why older kids shouldn't play on the baby-swings for as long as they like. Eventually one of the mothers said 'come on darlings, let's give the swing to the lady' (note - not 'the baby'!) I was furious, and felt like saying - but didn't, to my shame - 'you might pay for your kids' education, but don't you feel the need to teach them how to take turns and share'.

So AIB horribly U? I would have felt the same on the sharing issue regardless of who the parents were, but am I just being hideously chippy because it's the private-sector tendency? I've always found the cliquiness of that particular set of park-parents intolerable - it's not a one-off, although I've not had a run-in like that before. It drives me insane the way they treat a public park as an extension of their kids' private school and effectively exclude other families (we definitely won't be going there straight after school in future, unless as part of large group). I felt like smacking them!

OP posts:
Hulababy · 12/09/2008 22:44

Unless you were stood cose to the swings then I can;t see how they would know you wuld want them. You say 20 minutes gradually getting closer - this isn;t clear whether youw ere actually stood by the swings, obviously waiting for a go, for 20 minutes or not.

theSuburbanDryad · 12/09/2008 22:44

Unless ds has only just got on i always take him off (even though this usually makes for histrionics!) and especially if the child waiting is younger than him.

Why the hell were 5 year olds on the baby swings anyway? The children should have known better - even if the adults didn't!

You do come across as a little bit chippy over private education, but hey - I'm the same way tbh (sheer envy ) so I can't exactly throw stones!

mabanana · 12/09/2008 22:45

They were chatting while their kids were playing. Is that now a MN crime?
People aren't, as JJ says, mindreaders. Even if they pay for their children's education

vjg13 · 12/09/2008 22:46

They were hogging, it must have been obvious other kids wanted to go on if it was busy.

Don't think it was a class thing just a being rude thing.

Zazette · 12/09/2008 22:48

In the kind of mixed area you are talking about, I can imagine that these parents' behaviour would indeed come across as an over-developed sense of entitlement (which, as a university lecturer, I would say can be one of the more striking outcomes of a private education. Not always. But often). NT 5-6 year olds on baby swings for ages is not the most endearing behaviour, I agree.

OTOH, I have really tried as a parent to train myself out of innate tendencies to passive-aggressive seething, and to just ask politely for what I want. You may not get it, but you feel better about yourself, IME.

more · 12/09/2008 22:48

"there are a couple of baby-swings and no 'big' swings".

mabanana · 12/09/2008 22:49

Why is it obvious that a woman holding a contented baby quite a distance away while watching her older child playing wanted to put her kid on the swing?
Instead of seething silently with class hatred, why not stand right by the swings and either ask one of the mums or kids politely for a quick turn or say brightly, 'Ooh, do you want a swing then?' to your baby. 'You can have one in a minute'. Always works.

TeacherSaysSo · 12/09/2008 22:50

Hmm onebat what's your definition of hogging? 1 minute, 5 minutes, what?? Maybe their children didn't want to use the slide at all and so spent longer on the swings instead? maybe they'd not been able to get on the swings yesterday cos the oiks were using them...sigh.

and maybe they are the same parents who spend too long in public showers too

or maybe their definition of hogging is just plain different to OPs!!

Treeny · 12/09/2008 22:51

Exactly vjg13 - it wasn't just us waiting - it was busy. Wasn't expecting special treatment just for us, it's just the general principle of sharing. And I do think that baby-swings are for babies and toddlers, and if babies and toddlers are waiting, bigger kids should be guided by parents to do something else.

I didn't need to mention the private school thing - no reason to do it at all, could have just said 'others kids/parents' - so I do have some self-knowledge about my hostility to this particular group of parents!

Am off to bed now.

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susiecutiebananas · 12/09/2008 22:51

Funny you should ask this today. I went to a little playground today with a friend and out 2 young toddlers and her older DD.

There were only 2 baby swings there. One of which was occupied for most of the time we were there,by a little girl, who had been plonked in it. her mum pushed her a few times only, whilst she occupied the smaller child she had. The other baby swing was being used, i rotation by various others that were there, whilst this one little girl, was just left, sitting in the swing, not swinging!

I was really fuming. I don't know why I didn't say anything, I was itching to. I suppose it felt wrong as no-one else had... I do wish I had, and will definitely if I see it happen again...

SO no, YANBU - and It's not about the situation of prep v state, its about simple manners and respect, neither of which they showed you.

onebatmother · 12/09/2008 22:53

"maybe they'd not been able to get on the swings yesterday cos the oiks were using them...sigh."

Oh for fuck's sakes.

Hogging is as long or as short as one's conscience allows, isn't it?

frankbestfriend · 12/09/2008 22:53

YANBU, Treeny.

If there is a queue forming at the swing I say '2 more minutes,dd, then let this little boy/girl have a turn'. I say it so the waiting child can hear and knows their turn is coming soon.

This is not only for the benefit of the child who is waiting, it teaches dd the importance of sharing.

I will admit to being quite chippy thoughOther pet swing peeves of mine include parents allowing their children to push to the front of the swing queue, and parents who take no notice when their dcs are running in front of the swing.
Dd once knocked a child over who was doing this and she was so upset with herself that she had hurt them.
Just because you are in a park doesn't mean you don't have to supervise your dcs.

Rant over. See, I told you I was chippy

Hulababy · 12/09/2008 22:54

I don't understand why, when your baby wanted a go on the swing, you couldn't just ask politely, if after a few minutes one wasn't available, if one of the childre would let the baby have a few minutes on the swing. I find that approach tend to get more favourable responses.

I sus[ect the children were on the baby swings as there was no big swings.

thisisyesterday · 12/09/2008 23:08

hmm I am out on this one. can't decide.

I don't take either of my ds's out of swings if people are waiting if they are enjoying themselves.
they have just as much right to use them as anyone else, and ds1 will sometimes happily swing away for 15 minutes, the crazy thing.

But then, I have never waited for a swing either. if they're full I'd have wandered off and done somethjing else.

you seem to think that just because you hav e ayoung non-mobile child that it is your right to be able to use the swings simply because she can't use the other stuff.
odd

and I have to agree with jimjams and mabanana that it may not have been obvious to them that you were waiting

FairLadyRantALot · 12/09/2008 23:17

maybe, just maybe...people expect people that obviously have enough money to put thier children through private education to have values/morals and simply have manners?

tbh...don't think they are any better than anyone else, and tbh....often teh poor sods can be far nicer and friendlier...stereotyping...me...never....

TeacherSaysSo · 12/09/2008 23:27

careful FLRA following your logic : that means people also expect people who don't have enough money to put their children through private education, NOT to have values or morals and no manners!

onebatmother · 12/09/2008 23:31

nope. It means we hope that everyone has morals and manners.

FairLadyRantALot · 12/09/2008 23:31

what I meant was, that people willing to pay for education surely would want their Kids socially well behaved and maybe therefore display that kind of behaviour...
op said that kids were schoolage...therefore why hog the swiungs in a busy park anyway?

CostaRicanCod · 12/09/2008 23:32

oh fgs to stupid thread

FairLadyRantALot · 12/09/2008 23:33

btw...I don't care about private education or not...I do expect common courtesy though....of anybody

controlfreakinfreaky · 12/09/2008 23:39

chippy mcchippy from chippytown.....

onebatmother · 12/09/2008 23:40

"Chipper" Gore-Chippy from Chipping Norton..

FairLadyRantALot · 12/09/2008 23:42

wow...you are funny...haha...

controlfreakinfreaky · 12/09/2008 23:43

well, i'm feeling pretty chipper actually!

mabanana · 12/09/2008 23:45

Come on, stop chipping away the OP's confidence!

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