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To want to reintroduce the letter "T" into the English language and to

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MrsSchadenfreude · 07/08/2008 21:20

stamp on the DDs' little feet every time I hear the dreaded glottal stop. Sorry, that should be glo'al stop.

Farkin Milton Keynes.

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Lilymaid · 07/08/2008 23:10

DS1 has just graduated from No'ingham University - or so he says.

Tortington · 07/08/2008 23:13

nowt wrong wi' buz!

My mother used to go mad and actually forced me to speak into a tape recorder to listen to misel' speak.

i think yer all a bit ott sometimes you pedants

WendyWeber · 07/08/2008 23:16

One of the lovely & otherwise-beautifully-spoken traffic reporters on R2 insists on referring to the "M twenny-five" - my blood pressure doubles every time she does it

maribe · 08/08/2008 00:32

RP isn't any more valid than any other accent!

I get very annoyed when people complain about "regional" pronunciation (i.e. not middle class/home counties) when they wouldn't know how to put an "r" on the end of a word if their life depended on it. You drive a caRRRR. Not a "ca". But say what you like as long as you don't slag off other people.

MrsSchadenfreude · 08/08/2008 10:03

No objection to accents, Maribe - as I said earlier. Just sloppy pronunciation.

Oi am from Baaaarkshoire.

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noonki · 08/08/2008 10:21

think no 't' is annoying?

try replacing it with a 'ck'

hospital = hospickal
little = lickle

arrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

noonki · 08/08/2008 10:23

my poor dss must be the only kid in the land whose parents try and get him to speak less 'posh'...

his school is in posh area and we all struggle not to larf at him...he honestly says rarely instead of really!

ImnotMamaGbutsheLovesMe · 08/08/2008 10:24

My son lost his T's on the second day in Reception. . I pull them up some times about their speech as they do to me!

MrsWeasley · 08/08/2008 10:28

I have given my DD(8yo) a money jar now and if she remembers her Ts pennies get put in the jar if she drops her Ts money comes out.

She is planning on using the money for ice creams on holiday so is being very careful ATM

cyteen · 08/08/2008 10:28

I love my glottal stop. It's part of my local pronounciation (SE London) and I'm happy to sound like me.

However, am not going to tell you all to lighten up as I originally planned, as if my child grows up with a Lestoh accent I will kill myself

discantus · 08/08/2008 12:32

I'm constantly telling my other half that it's three(3)not 'free'

cornsilk · 08/08/2008 12:35

my ds pulls me up on this.
Any SALT's online? Are some people more prone to accents etc due to the wiring of their brain? My ds speaks the Queen's English, but I have no idea where he gets it from.

Dannat · 08/08/2008 12:36

I took DD (4yo) to a free dance class at our local Sure Start centre last week and the teacher asked her her name. She told him "My name is Natalie", (pronouncing the T). He replied: "Pleased to meet you Na'alie" (missed the T).

DD put her hands on her hips, looked him straight in the eye and said: "No, my name is Natalie. It has a T in it."

Whilst I am proud of her for correcting him on the pronounciation of her name, I was a bit at the way in which she went about it!

babyignoramus · 08/08/2008 14:00

I grew up in Essex with a Scottish mum and a Welsh dad, and am now married to someone (and work with people) who speak 'properly'. As a result my accent veers between quite posh and Estuary English, with some interesting northern turns of phrase, and I tend to adopt the local accent very quickly wherever I go (unintentionally). My mum always used to pull me up on my awful Essex accent but I've found it's really useful to able able to slip back into that when the occasion arises!

Bumdiddley · 08/08/2008 14:07

MrsS - Let's get a petition to parliament!

Dd has started calling me 'muvva'. It's bad enough she calls me mother. I've no idea where she gets it from. Dh hates it and tries to correct her (to call me mummy) and she ends up calling me 'muvvi.'

jillyj · 08/08/2008 17:04

what about moosic

CrayonsUpMyNose · 08/08/2008 17:28

Mind if an American pipes in here? I have to say that I love all sorts of regional accents! However it tends to grate on my nerves when "th" is replaced by "f". Bath becomes baff, think becomes fink, et cetera.

It happens over in America too, don't get me wrong. I was on a "crusade" of sorts when I was there for proper pronunciation, here this is the first time, other than to my DP, have I said anything (anyfink, lol).

So bringing back "T" and "H" is not unreasonable by any means!

Donk · 08/08/2008 17:32

Aye up! Weres tha live? There an' bin a "T" sin rand these par's sin afore 'vikins arreeved....
bi' la'e 'o star' na!

(' doing duty for glottal stops)

maribe · 11/08/2008 22:23

Cornsilk I'm an SLT.

All accents are just that, accents. Including "Queen's English". IMO there is a degree of brainwashing via media etc which promotes certain accents over others. Re the "wiring" question, children are more fluid in their accents than adults. It would also be fair to say that some people change register more readily than others, often it is an unconscious, intutive process.

Glottal stops are perfectly legit pronunciation in many areas, including where I'm from! Hence the irritation.

Bowddee · 11/08/2008 22:27

Well, 'ow dyoo fink Oi feel, with moi DS puckin' up a Burminum accent?

TinkerBellesMum · 11/08/2008 22:47

grrr Bowddee I love Nick Owen but every time he says Berminem I could hit him!

I have bit of an odd accent. I was Brummie until I lived in Surrey when I was about 3 and my aunt removed the accent from me. I also spent a lot of time and went to school in Toronto as a child, living with my Canadian relatives.

I tend to have a posher accent than most Brummies but don't sound that posh when I'm in London. I drop T's like they do in Toron'o and my voice is also quite deep for a Brummie from the Toron'o influence but sounds Brummie high when I'm in Canada.

Bowddee · 11/08/2008 22:54

I spend so much time (or should that be toime) correcting poor DS.
"There's no 'O' in 'slide', darling"
And, bless his cotton socks, he does try very hard. He's 4!

UnquietDad · 11/08/2008 22:59

Oy love Dr Alice Roberts' sloight Brissel accent, oy do. Oy jus thought oy'd throw that in.

I do sympathise. People have been laid into on here before for not liking the accents their kids come home from school with, and who was it that laughed at a woman (in Booths?) for saying to her son that "we don't say boose, we say bahs"?

I still find it very hard to get used to my children saying "oop" and "grasse" and "pathe", when I say up and graaas (NB, NOT grarse) and paaath (NB, NOT parth).

mrsbabookaloo · 11/08/2008 23:07

I'm a linguistics graduate and an English teacher and I pronounce the t in butter and a slightly different sound in little which I can't be arsed finding the phonetic symbol for, but I am sitting here going "chocolate buttons, chocolate bu'ons" and my verdict is that buttons HAS a glottal stop in it, it's a perfectly acceptable way to pronounce it...even I suspect for speakers of RP, and to say buttons with the t sounds self-conscious and a bit unnatural.

Try saying it in your poshest accent, channeling your inner Joanna Lumley: "Would you like some chocolate buttons, darling?"

See, you did a glottal stop, didn't you?

UnquietDad · 11/08/2008 23:09

I see what you mean, although I think if one channels one's inner Brian Sewell then one pronounces the T.

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