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TownClown59 · Today 00:43

bit of a mixed one here and I do know that I have been partly unreasonable but looking for some perspective…

out for a family walk today (me, DH, two DD’s, my brother and his kids and partner and our Mum and Dad). My nieces birthday is on Wednesday and I’d asked her what her plans were, she mentioned she wanted to have a meal with friends but nothing sorted yet. I jokingly shouted ahead to my brother “have you not booked anything for N’s birthday yet?!” (We are a close family who often tease and poke fun at each other) and he turned around with such venom (almost) shouting at me for speaking to her about it, I shouldn’t be discussing her birthday with her, it’s nothing to do with him and if she wants to arrange something that’s for her to do. I was completely taken aback by his reaction so again trying to keep it light was teasing him for being grumpy and he stalked right up to me quite aggressively/hostile and explained he had been organising stuff with her friends as a surprise and that I’d ruined it. This then resulted in some harsh words being exchanged back and forward, which I regret, but I got quite upset (I think just due to being completely taken aback by his reaction/anger) and he started laughing when I was getting tearful and said “you’re starting to upset my mum”.. and stormed off, our Mum has Alzheimer’s and she was visibly ok but this felt like a really low blow to make me feel like shit as well as making out I’d spoiled my nieces birthday.

A total spiral of events that I just didn’t envision. I have since apologised to everyone who was there and also messaged my brother to apologise for my part but also holding firm on the aggressive behaviour not being acceptable but was I wrong, did I start this WW3? I’ve felt really emotional about the whole thing as what started as a lovely family walk ended in literal tears!

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permanently · Today 09:05

Reads like a low budget Northern sitcom. You need to rethink your communication style. I think your brother (possibly others) are fed up with your behaviour and if you think before you speak, no apologies are necessary. You’ve had your warning!

TownClown59 · Today 09:08

Springtimeinsunshine · Today 08:48

Quite honestly the way you responded to that other poster was not good either, so maybe it's more about how you are coming across to others compared to how you see yourself.

You say teasing, some say banter, others say bullying. Maybe he had enough of you that day but you went on and on and on and wouldn't stop, because "fun teasing". As other pp say, maybe it's time to dial it right back and change the dynamics.

See, I’m not sure I agree with the first part of your comment. I replied to the poster agreeing with her thoughts and it was actually a helpful perspective and thanked her for it. I just commented on her mention of my Mum, which I think is a bit thoughtless. I only became more standoffish when they called me an arse. I’m very happy to reflect on my own behaviour as I stated in my original post, I know I have been partly unreasonable.

the second part of your message is fair and I guess it is worth thinking about how we interact and what I think is light hearted might not feel that way to others. So it’s good for thought!

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TownClown59 · Today 09:35

Rattlethegate7799 · Today 08:46

It’s hard to judge this as an outsider op.

Does your brother have form for being this reactive and aggressive normally?

I think he was very much in the wrong to react with such immediate venom to quite a benign remark on your part, in fact it could be argued you were showing very normal interest in your niece and asking a fairly standard question, but he obviously took it as a criticism of his parenting, and that’s a touchy subject for some.

I doubt it was because you ruined a surprise party. People’s reactions to arguments are almost invariably more about them than about you.

If there was any surprise to be ruined, he did that by answering in an overly agressive manner instead of just replying with a mild quip.

I suspect he has recently been criticised by his wife or daughter for not being involved enough in family matters or something like that and he was feeling guilty? Or there had been some previous dispute about the party such as the cost or timing of it? Is that possible?

Or it could be that teasing between siblings is one thing but he didn’t like you involving his dd in it and he wanted to draw a clear line there?

Or as others have said, this wasn’t about the party, and you had simply teased him one time too many on Sunday?

The laughing at you getting tearful sounds horrible though and a bit bullying.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of it though, your brother was absolutely wrong to be so openly agressive and hostile, especially on a family walk, and especially in front of dc. If he had a problem with your teasing, he should have taken you aside privately and addressed it calmly.

I have a somewhat bullying brother so I understand your shock when you discover that what you think is a safe relationship, really isn’t.

I think you’re totally spot on here with what you’ve said. My brother is the least bit organised with life (still an amazing dad), but an example.. he was going on holiday with his partner, had known about it for a year and was scrambling/on the beg for childcare the weekend before they left 🫣. So I imagine he got some stick from his partner about it.. so maybe a sensitive subject and I’ve piled on to it. Which was never my intention to make him feel shit. Thank you for this!

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Springtimeinsunshine · Today 10:06

I jokingly shouted ahead to my brother “have you not booked anything for N’s birthday yet?!”
I keep coming back to this. How does someone respond to something like this? Birthday and special occasions usually has a gift that the recipient knows nothing about so why were you trying to get him to spill the birthday secret in front of the birthday girl? I feel that is a really mean thing to do, to both him and her, and I can't understand your thinking behind it.

If he'd said no, would you have left it?
If he'd said yes, would it have spoilt a birthday surprise?

Do you (or family) normally try to spoil secrets or special occasions by guessing beforehand, like a game? Just trying to understand the dynamics.

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