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To not cope with “newly” autistic 11 year old?

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Blanketsandcandles · Yesterday 18:29

I am at a total loss today.
11 year has old been diagnosed with autism after suffering what has been diagnosed as burnout. I am still digesting this as prior to her burnout symptoms, I had no concerns. Over the last year she has deteriorated; developed auditory sensitivity, separation anxiety, broken sleep, restricted eating, became challenging in school and lost all her friends due to not managing to keep up social demands. She’s now refusing school completely and I’ve had to take a pause from work to care for her full time. This weekend has been spent with her in her room, in the dark, screaming at me when I go in. She can’t tolerate clothes anymore and lives in her cousin’s old rugby top. I wish I was exaggerating when I say I feel I’m fallen into some movie where the child is possessed. There seems to be 0 help apart from CAMHS who aren’t actually doing anything apart from suggesting books I’ve read and also don’t help with the practicalities of day to day life. I can’t stay off work forever and I’m on my own with her (dad hasn’t been in the picture since she was 2) and I most definitely do not have a “village” as I keep reading about. I read all these ND accounts who talk about the strengths that come with parenting a child with SEN but I don’t find any joy at all. Any hope this gets better?

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Holidaymodeon · Today 05:39

Don’t listen to the pseudo experts in here, masking is not new, neither is it poorly evidenced. That poster knows zilch about neurodivergence. Do more reading, speak to actual experts and most of all talk to your daughter who is the expert in how she is feeling and in what she needs to feel safe and to not need to mask and burnout all the time.
unfortunately getting a diagnosis does not equate getting support, you are left alone, it is your job to become the expert.
lots of munsnetters have vile opinions about kids who are ND, find yourself safe spaces and groups, online and irl

Holidaymodeon · Today 05:44

freemanbatch · Yesterday 21:25

One of the biggest errors we make as parents of autistic kids is trying to jolly them out of their heads like is absolutely the right thing to do with neurotypical kids. We’re all brought up to believe that fresh air, moving around and seeing other people are the answer to people feeling down or a bit depressed but this is absolutely not true of autistic kids.

In the normal run of things autistic kids need space just to exist without being perceived by anyone, they need to be able to shut off and reset. If they have this space then they can re-regulate and then be encouraged to participate in things and they’ll probably enjoy them much like other kids BUT when an autistic kid is in burnout the very last thing they need is being encouraged to do things or for people to jolly them along or tell them that they need to get out and about because it’s good for them.

As hard as it is to do as a parent, when an autistic person is in burnout the best thing you can do is step back, remove every possible demand on them, and really give them time to reset.

If one shirt is all she can wear right now let her, if she can only eat one meal let her, if she wants the lights off let her, if she doesn’t want to talk let her. It all feels wrong because it’s not what we're ‘supposed’ to do as parents but it is what a burnt out autistic person needs.

once the pressure is off and her brain begins to trust the space you’re giving her then her body and nervous system will start to recover and she will have more mental space to do things again.

Yes to this

2024namechanger · Today 06:55

Sorry you’re going through this, it sounds absolutely horrific. My dd masked, and then became super organised when she stopped eating. After being diagnosed anorexic and starting the refeeding, her ASD traits came from ‘nowhere’. She was 13 and suddenly couldn’t tolerate clothes, was stimming, clawing at herself. She couldn’t cope with school and had two years of hardly going, changes to two new settings to see if they could help as she wanted to go to school, just couldn’t cope with the thought of it. She didn’t hit burn out as you describe, but did lose all ability to leave her bed. Her skin was sallow, I would sit her up in bed to feed her. She became unable to walk and had seizures, tics, everything from nowhere.

She is now 16 and attends part time school. We recognise her need to rest. She is changed from pre-diagnosis, the girl who did everything, excelled at school and did a history of after school activities. That girl was only possible through masking and not eating. The girl we have now is real and true.

Help wise, she has psycho therapy once a week - this took around a year of waiting, she has it through the eating disorders team who kept us even though the anorexia was short lived. She is medicated by a psychiatrist who she sees rarely - she had sertraline, fluoxetine and is about to try another SSRI. The drugs have been life changing. She has stopped self harming and now has sufficient help with her anxiety that she can ignore some of her sensory issues. She has managed to go to the cinema for example. We have a social worker and she attends an autism club with a carer. She has an EHCP which has got her into specialist provision.

When we went through the ASD diagnosis we were shown that the early years of ‘no symptoms’ actually had them everywhere. She was an easy baby, self settled as a newborn and rarely cried. We now know she can’t recognise her emotions very well. She ‘played normally’ as a child, by setting up train lay outs, jigsaws, setting up the doll house. We played in this way too, so it all seemed normal. None of us did make believe, the dolls weren’t alive, when we tried a teddy bears pic Nic we sat teddies around and ate tiny biscuits. She chose her clothes at an early age from age 2 - I now suspect she was choosing comfy stuff. We always struggled with shoes - we thought becaus of her wide foot. Again I suspect this was a sensory issue - plenty of times the attendant would say the shoe fit by my daughter disagreed.

My child seemed so mature at primary school, seemed to really understand socialisation. Actually she couldn’t understand the normal playground antics so that was her ‘rising above’ and her strong sense of justice meant that she stood up for people so they gravitated towards her. She would routinely describe having no friends when the opposite would be apparent - this is because she had no skills to judge this. I taught her to share and other social concepts when she was 2. I thought she loved change as we used to do surprises that she loved. But actually the diagnostician helped us understand that she knew that if we were going on a ‘surprise’ then it would be a child oriented activity that she would enjoy. We are her trusted world so she will cope with a lot of what we would introduce. For other areas we would always set routines and plans so there wasn’t a grey area for her to be confronted with. Once playdates stopped being so prescribed - a friend comes, we bake, they chat for a little bit, dinner and a movie, home at a set time, she stopped being able to cope with them. She manages now by literally setting them as a play date - she will arrange to meet a friend for a prescribed timeframe to do a prescribed activity.

We are all now diagnosed with ASD/ADHD and my life makes a lot more sense in this context. I share this in case on reflection there were signs in early childhood? If there really weren’t, I agree with others. You can’t mask in early years and I am amazed they diagnosed without this evidence as trauma presentation is nearly identical to autism, the only difference is that autism will have signs in those early years. You have been given fab advice on here; I really recommend calling social services today and request an assessment, saying that you are really struggling. They can then help you with everything you need to do next from DLA to educational provision. My daughter qualified for middle rate care which I was amazed by, and saddened. It makes a huge difference and helps us with the debt we now have from so many months of missed/reduced work. My daughter also had home tutors for a while, still has them now as she is very part time at school and has years to catch up on. Sounds like your daughter isn’t ready for this yet, but you should request S19 educational provision for when she is - this can vary from tutors at home to tutor in a centre, or online classes. It takes a while to set up.

It sounds like PANS PANDAS is also worth a shout to look into, but if she does have this the recovery won’t be swift hence it is important that you sort entitlements. Most importantly, look after yourself.

Apotofrealcoffee · Today 06:56

Mumof16 · Today 00:49

No way I don’t buy this masking for 11 years story for one minute. She’s evidently intensely distressed, I hope you both get the help you need.

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I agree. I think the dam will break in 10 years and we will be horrified that we failed to properly investigate these kids and chalked it up to ‘just autism’.

This sounds closer to a psychotic breakdown than ‘burnout’. I don’t believe for a moment OP’s daughter was always autistic. This sounds extremely neurological and very concerning. She deserves proper testing, not just being diagnosed with ASD and left to suffer.

I would start with a full vitamin blood screen, talking to a GP about PANS, and a test for infections like Lyme and strep. Op said her daughter suffers with throat infections, they are the primary source of PANDAS.

2021x · Today 06:59

Neuro-atypical or not the fact is the information she is getting is coming by at a very fast rate and she cannot keep up. This is very stressful.

Get her back to basics with a routine. Limit screen time to 1 hour a day. Yes she will miss out of some social stuff, but it will help her and her ability to focus in the long run. Also get her into a routine of regular exercise, even walking will be great.

Encourage books, jigsaw puzzle and a strict bedtime routine. She can’t sleep with all that information buzzing around.

She will be OK but she is sensitive and needs to learn how to manage her stress.

Yesitsweird · Today 07:09

Blanketsandcandles · Yesterday 21:42

I must read into it in depth as I didn’t even know about it until this evening. The article seems to say it’s not rare it’s just rarely diagnosed (I think it says possibly 1 in 200?) which is interesting, and scary too if even some symptoms could be made easier with treatment. I feel like her behaviours are completely bizarre, she’s refusing any clothes from the waist down, is in the dark screaming or speaking in an odd witch like voice and is oddly attached to some old rugby top.

If a completely neurotypical 10 year old, a couple of weeks after having a sore throat, suddenly starts behaving strangely, screaming and crying, cuddling a teddy bear and talking to it, hearing voices and showing signs of ADHD, all over days/weeks then yes it could be PANDAS. This is very rare.

If an anxious and shy 10 year old child, who doesn't like change, has special interests, and has struggled with friendships, who is going through puberty/about to transition to secondary school, over the course of months/years starts to struggle, takes to their room and stops functioning with distress, then neurodivergence/mental health issues are much more likely.

People will throw out diagnoses on here with confidence, but they aren't doctors and are neither skilled in the assessment of illness nor particularly wise.

2021x · Today 07:09

Apotofrealcoffee · Today 06:56

I agree. I think the dam will break in 10 years and we will be horrified that we failed to properly investigate these kids and chalked it up to ‘just autism’.

This sounds closer to a psychotic breakdown than ‘burnout’. I don’t believe for a moment OP’s daughter was always autistic. This sounds extremely neurological and very concerning. She deserves proper testing, not just being diagnosed with ASD and left to suffer.

I would start with a full vitamin blood screen, talking to a GP about PANS, and a test for infections like Lyme and strep. Op said her daughter suffers with throat infections, they are the primary source of PANDAS.

OK. I agree that autism disorder is so over diagnosed it has lost all valuable meaning in the health system. The truth is some people simply have a higher tendency to neuroticism in their personality (me included) and are more at risk of anxiety disorders.

I would also point out that making spurious diagnoses - especially about Lyme Disease related conditions is also completely useless to the OP.

Peachperfect · Today 07:16

Apotofrealcoffee · Yesterday 18:34

Have you investigated PANDAS? Has she had an infection in the last year or so? Has she had a full blood count recently including a vitamin check?
This sounds very hard Flowers

I was going to suggest this too as my daughter has both PANDAS and autism, and this sounds more like a PANDAS flare up. There has been a full moon recently-iykyk!

ItsPickleRick · Today 07:18

OP, I was where you are just over a year ago.

The wheels fell off spectacularly in secondary school when there had been no “obvious” signs previously. Looking back, there were a few indicators but things that could have been explained away by other things like anxiety.

My daughter got her diagnosis and was described as being in burnout. She didn’t want to be here anymore, wouldn’t leave the house, couldn’t eat, only wore one outfit etc.

I can tell you it does get better. There isn’t a lot of support out there even with a diagnosis, so I had to find all the information I could get.

Low demand worked really well, as did taking her out of school but I appreciate this isn’t an option for everyone. A year on, we are in a much better place. She eats more and will try new foods, she engages well with her tutors, she absolutely loves being around horses so spends time at our local riding school, and has started socialising again with one or two friends although she is often exhausted afterwards. She feels safer now and her nervous system has started to recover.

Rustfinch · Today 07:23

Blanketsandcandles · Yesterday 19:00

I didn’t meant to be triggering, I’m sorry, I had a clumsy look on Instagram and saw so many amazing SEN parents saying how much beauty they find in their child and seem so positive and I detest our new life of her locked in her room like a feral animal and me tiptoeing round the flat lest I make a noise that starts her screaming again. I’m so scared for the future.

They are influencers and full of shit. Ignore them. They're using their DC disability to make money, probably because they are forced to stay home to care for them and can't get a regular job. They will present the channel and their online identity in whatever way brings in the views and sponsorships and brand deals and donations etc.

Try 3Mpeltor5X for the noise sensitivity. Lipsy tracksuits are super soft. Or try t-shirt dresses if she wants something baggier without a waistband, ACDC-RAG from grumpy bunny feel barely there (I've got one in the charity donation bag at the moment, if you PM me your address I'll happily send it to you instead).

SeeMeRun · Today 07:23

Honestly, I think people talk positively about it because otherwise they need to face up to the fact this is debilitating for people and in no way a gift or a way of giving them special abilities. I avoid the social media positivity on ND. I’m very aware that what I likely have and what my daughter is 3 years still waiting for a diagnosis for is not a positive, does not benefit us in any way, can be quite debilitating and is a negative. Any good qualities we have are in spite of this not because of it. Unfortunately there is not a lot of support - keep pushing with CAHMS and GP and school for more support. Remember you can also claim the personal support payment for all extra care she needs.

Lexibletheflexible · Today 07:24

Blanketsandcandles · Yesterday 18:36

I don’t know what PAANDA is, I don’t think so. I’ll look it up. She’s not ill, she’s just completely gone….apparently autistic girls mask until this age and then they can’t anymore. I feel dreadful I had no idea and it’s got this far and am so scared this is how it will be for ever now. She had a blood test in February/ March to check if she was anemic as was very pale and tired but it was fine.

It's very common for autistic girls to be quite average in their development and interactions until about this age.

Lovingapeacefulgarden · Today 07:42

Blanketsandcandles · Yesterday 18:46

GP seems unconcerned and says it’s burnout and he sees it a lot. I just don’t know what to do. My colleague had a child last year who had cancer, and I know it is far more serious, but they were given so much help, despite coming to the house, grants to cover her year not working and therapy. I’m not in any way trying to take that support away but there is just…nothing, and it’s just for me to manage alone, not working and goodness knows how I’ll manage to when I do go back. I keep reading about amazing strengths that come with being a SEN parent and I can’t see any. I’m terrified, worried for A and completely shellshocked at the new normal.

OP as a SEN Parent I can assure.youit ddoesnt make you strong . Thats something thats said yl cover up the total system failure which means their is no support for lots of ND kids ot families which results in families being pushed to the brink. It does make you learn to advocate and taight me to stand up for myself and my child. I am saying this as a parent of a child diagnosed at 5 who has had to fight for everything support wise for him. He is now 14 and I still have to fight for things. However I echo what othes are saying get her checked for pandas. Although girls do mask better anf often struggle as teenagers signs are normally there early on as are struggles. If she didn't have them it mayve she has been wrongly diagnosed.

JoSFry · Today 07:49

ItsPickleRick · Today 07:18

OP, I was where you are just over a year ago.

The wheels fell off spectacularly in secondary school when there had been no “obvious” signs previously. Looking back, there were a few indicators but things that could have been explained away by other things like anxiety.

My daughter got her diagnosis and was described as being in burnout. She didn’t want to be here anymore, wouldn’t leave the house, couldn’t eat, only wore one outfit etc.

I can tell you it does get better. There isn’t a lot of support out there even with a diagnosis, so I had to find all the information I could get.

Low demand worked really well, as did taking her out of school but I appreciate this isn’t an option for everyone. A year on, we are in a much better place. She eats more and will try new foods, she engages well with her tutors, she absolutely loves being around horses so spends time at our local riding school, and has started socialising again with one or two friends although she is often exhausted afterwards. She feels safer now and her nervous system has started to recover.

@ItsPickleRickdid you get an EHCP? How is all this funded and/or facilitated. Conscious @Blanketsandcandlesis a single parent.

@Blanketsandcandlesdo you have a local SEN parents support group? Have a look on Facebook.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · Today 07:54

NRTFT but at 11 she'll have recently transitioned to high school, and a lot of parents of older diagnosed children find this transition really highlights a lot of autistic struggles because the social scaffolding that was available during primary school have been removed.

There are a lot of transitions during the day, there's a huge social change, a lot more responsibility placed on the student and for autistic children this really challenges mental rigidity because it's a huge change.

Burnout can also lead to skill regression, loss of eating, social communication and interaction skills, poorer executive dysfunction etc.

She needs an EHCP, you need to think about whether the school is meeting need, and lower demands to encourage recovery during burnout.

HoraceCope · Today 07:55

i am not sure how to vote
but at this age her behaviour is very common
try going with the support offered, i imagine you cannot see the wood for the trees but the suggestions are well meaning.

Ethelspagetti · Today 07:56

My neighbours daughter was diagnosed at age 10 with autism. Apparently with girl the symptoms get worse when puberty starts, so it’s easier to see. It was strange for everyone as she looked perfectly fine then one day she just changed! She lost friends because of her different and unusual behaviour and said very strange things. My neighbour had to switch secondary schools as she was being targeted by some others. It was really hard as she is intelligent, so SENS school isn’t appropriate. But in mainstream she needed the understanding from staff and other kids. She’s made it all the way through school with fantastic GCSEs and is now doing sixth form. She still doesn’t have friends but has developed a skill through a hobby and she’s great at it. Whereas her brother has severe autism and goes to a special school. He has lots of friends just like him. It’s very heart breaking. Could you claim pip and carers allowance and would that make up for some of your salary? That’s what my neighbour did and she works part time in the evenings and weekends.

Idontpostmuch · Today 08:03

Doesn't sound like autism. I remember a friend having something similar many yrs ago. Came on suddenly at age 17. Depression diagnosed. Recovered in time. Definitely try to get second opinion.

ChersHandbag · Today 08:05

Hi OP I think a lot of kids get very triggered by hormones at this age— same as the alleged explosion of ADHD symptoms in perimenopause. Try giving her antihistamines. It works on my two who have been like this.

CatkinToadflax · Today 08:09

Oh OP I feel for you. This sounds horrendous for you and your daughter.

Personally I don’t think it helps that ‘autism’ is such a broad umbrella term. Your DD may well benefit from medication such as antidepressants.

My son is severely autistic, almost certainly as a result of extreme prematurity. CAMHS has been profoundly useless for us, refusing to treat him because he’s autistic. They told me to access local autism services instead, and when I told them that there aren’t any, they replied “we know”.

I have PTSD and a few years ago I completely burned out for a couple of months. I could barely get out of bed and my whole body hurt intensely. I was already on antidepressants but something else was added in and this helped. There was no magic solution though. It took time and I’m lucky that I have a very understanding employer.

Please ignore anyone saying that being a parent of a child with SEN is extra special or autism is a superpower. “I wouldn’t change my child for the world” is another, in my opinion, difficult phrase. I love my son to the ends of the earth but I hate how he struggles every single day. Of course I would change that.

Sending hugs x

Moonlightfrog · Today 08:14

As someone who was undiagnosed growing up the pre teen and teen years were the worst for me, the masking, the trying to fit in but feeling like you definitely don’t fit in, the hormones and the pressure put on you at school is just so much. She’s not possessed, she has likely been masking and hiding it pretty well until now (and now she just can’t anymore). I think you need to follow her lead a little and try not to make her feel like there’s something wrong with her. Let her wear comfy baggy clothes if she feels more comfortable (isn’t baggy oversized clothing trendy anyway?). Of course it’s not ok for her to shout at you, she needs other ways to expense her frustration. Read up about autism, attend a course (I think there are a few, or there used to be), join autism groups and learn about her behaviours and why they occur.

Having raised 2 DD’s with autism I can say the teen years have been hard, one of my DD’s spent most of it in her room, struggled through school and then uni but is now much easier to get along with.

Laurmolonlabe · Today 08:14

How do you refuse school completely? My brother did this every morning but my Mum still made him get up and go (He didn't always get as far as school though).
It's your responsibility to make her go to school, if you can't you need help- talk to the GP, the school and the education authority.

likelysuspect · Today 08:16

Apotofrealcoffee · Today 06:56

I agree. I think the dam will break in 10 years and we will be horrified that we failed to properly investigate these kids and chalked it up to ‘just autism’.

This sounds closer to a psychotic breakdown than ‘burnout’. I don’t believe for a moment OP’s daughter was always autistic. This sounds extremely neurological and very concerning. She deserves proper testing, not just being diagnosed with ASD and left to suffer.

I would start with a full vitamin blood screen, talking to a GP about PANS, and a test for infections like Lyme and strep. Op said her daughter suffers with throat infections, they are the primary source of PANDAS.

One of the things we are notoriously bad at in this country it seems, (and this is magnified for kids) is the lack of testing, another poster upthread talks about coeliac disease being missed for years and another condition and the parents being fobbed off with MH or SEN conclusions for years

The most basic basic rule in medicine is rule out anything physical to start with, start from the base line of the biology and physiology of the patient and test test test, if nothing is there, then you look at the conditions you cant easily test for and then assess for those.

I notice OPs daughter was also assessed remotely. Sloppy work, how many times on here do we hear that all ASD/ADHD diagnoses are absolutely correct because everyone is assessed carefully and methodically, multi agency team etc etc. In my professional experience this is not the case, one of the children I work with received a diagnosis after one remote (it was during covid) session with the child and 1 of the 3 criteria was not present for him but she justified it by saying that 'on balance' the child very likely had ASD. He isnt the only one where the assessment was just one meeting but that was the worst one as there was no triangulation of information from other agencies or long term evidence of issues.

Apotofrealcoffee · Today 08:23

likelysuspect · Today 08:16

One of the things we are notoriously bad at in this country it seems, (and this is magnified for kids) is the lack of testing, another poster upthread talks about coeliac disease being missed for years and another condition and the parents being fobbed off with MH or SEN conclusions for years

The most basic basic rule in medicine is rule out anything physical to start with, start from the base line of the biology and physiology of the patient and test test test, if nothing is there, then you look at the conditions you cant easily test for and then assess for those.

I notice OPs daughter was also assessed remotely. Sloppy work, how many times on here do we hear that all ASD/ADHD diagnoses are absolutely correct because everyone is assessed carefully and methodically, multi agency team etc etc. In my professional experience this is not the case, one of the children I work with received a diagnosis after one remote (it was during covid) session with the child and 1 of the 3 criteria was not present for him but she justified it by saying that 'on balance' the child very likely had ASD. He isnt the only one where the assessment was just one meeting but that was the worst one as there was no triangulation of information from other agencies or long term evidence of issues.

Great post. The diagnostic process has become very sloppy and ‘we’ll assume it’s ASD unless something glaring and irrefutable points to something else’ rather than excluding other conditions before ASD is assessed for.

I’m absolutely convinced at least 50% of these diagnoses are wrong and are a mixture of trauma responses, depression, neurological disorders and factors like very poor diets and deficiencies.

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