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Cantgiveitaway · 31/10/2026 21:42

4 years ago we inherited a house. It has been on the market for the entirety of that time. It is on sale for approx 25% of market value. Reasons below:

The property is non-standard construction and therefore unmortgagable (we have explored this extensively).

It has a sitting lifetime tenancy on a peppercorn rent. Tenant is in their 70s and in good health.

We cannot sell it due to the above.

For those unaware, lifetime tenants cannot be evicted and the rent is very tightly controlled. We have increased it to the maximum allowed every year for the 4 years we've owned it. It still doesn't constitute £1000 a year.

We do not have any more money to put in to the property. We've done the legal required stuff. We've explored legal avenues for eviction ABD offered to give (gift) the property to the sitting tenant.

We basically need someone to come along with enough money to keep the property legally for 20+ years before they can do anything with it.

The most recent gas and electricity safety checks and the EPC have shown significant work needed in the next 12 months to keep it legal. We can't do it. Our only option is to sell our home that we, move in to a much smaller property in a different area (moving children's schools and away from family) and renting ourselves.

We have 0 savings because of the house and cannot afford basic things for our own home.

I just don't know what to do.

WWYD? We literally cannot give it away - we offered it to the LA and to a social landlord and a landlord with an extensive portfolio in the area and all said no.

In 20years, when the tenant dies or moves in to care the land might be worth something (and therefore sellable) but we can't wait that long. We had absolutely no idea the property existed until we inherited it and I've no idea why we did.

Any out of the box thinking here from the hive mind?

OP posts:
MustTryHarderAndHarder · Yesterday 17:51

This is quite common in France and there are companies which buy such properties so it might be worth looking in France, although it is a longshot.

Muchmore · Yesterday 17:52

Practically, see if the property/tennant qualifies for the Eco4 scheme for free energy/boiler upgrades - that's one less bill.

Propose selling the property and cutting them a proportion of the profits or even 100% if they agree?

OVienna · Yesterday 17:52

OneCalmEagle · Yesterday 17:38

Or ent another room only to a very trusted person to her. To get more rent and for your tenants safety. Well something needs to happen with the services at very least. I just wonder what the tenant may want and feel safer with.?

Under no circumstances should the OP be moving anyone linked to the current tenant in there, friend or family.

The bit about the tenancy being inheritable if a person has lived there for a period of time is terrifying - it says 'family' in the stuff online, but given the terms available, a family member could well emerge out of the mists.

OVienna · Yesterday 17:54

@Cantgiveitaway "Practically, see if the property/tennant qualifies for the Eco4 scheme for free energy/boiler upgrades - that's one less bill."

This is worth exploring - although I'm guessing you have already?

Catza · Yesterday 17:56

DeanGaffneysPenisBeaker · Yesterday 17:48

Have you considered reading at least the opening post if you’re not going to read all of OPs further posts?

I have read all posts. I missed information about giving it away to tenant until after re-reading (although, to be completely fair OP said she offered to sell it to him rather than gift). No mention about gifting it to a charity or giving it away for free altogether other than it failing to reach 8k minimum at the latest auction.
Any other summaries you would like me to provide before I am allowed to respond?

Cantgiveitaway · Yesterday 17:57

Muchmore · Yesterday 17:52

Practically, see if the property/tennant qualifies for the Eco4 scheme for free energy/boiler upgrades - that's one less bill.

Propose selling the property and cutting them a proportion of the profits or even 100% if they agree?

I'll look in to that, thanks.

Tenant doesn't care if we sell it, they aren't (and can't) opposing the sale.

OP posts:
Random321 · Yesterday 17:58

I'm not the UK so law may be different there but surely the limited company transfer idea would lead the receiver to take a case against you for wrongful trading.

What possible justification could for transfer of a minimal rental income producibg priperty into a limited cimpany knowing full well that entity has no capacity to cover costs incurred by the property.

I would be extremely cautious with that advice.

Cantgiveitaway · Yesterday 17:58

Catza · Yesterday 17:56

I have read all posts. I missed information about giving it away to tenant until after re-reading (although, to be completely fair OP said she offered to sell it to him rather than gift). No mention about gifting it to a charity or giving it away for free altogether other than it failing to reach 8k minimum at the latest auction.
Any other summaries you would like me to provide before I am allowed to respond?

My OP literally says we offered to give the property to the tenant.

OP posts:
DeanGaffneysPenisBeaker · Yesterday 17:58

Catza · Yesterday 17:56

I have read all posts. I missed information about giving it away to tenant until after re-reading (although, to be completely fair OP said she offered to sell it to him rather than gift). No mention about gifting it to a charity or giving it away for free altogether other than it failing to reach 8k minimum at the latest auction.
Any other summaries you would like me to provide before I am allowed to respond?

It literally says in the opening post that OP had already offered to gift it to him, yet you and a hundred other posters have suggested OP tries giving it to him

Cantgiveitaway · Yesterday 18:01

Random321 · Yesterday 17:58

I'm not the UK so law may be different there but surely the limited company transfer idea would lead the receiver to take a case against you for wrongful trading.

What possible justification could for transfer of a minimal rental income producibg priperty into a limited cimpany knowing full well that entity has no capacity to cover costs incurred by the property.

I would be extremely cautious with that advice.

That's something I'd need to look in to before doing that. I don't know the legalities of it off the top of my head. I wouldn't do it without looking in to it but thanks for the heads up.

OP posts:
NamechangeRugby · Yesterday 18:09

Cantgiveitaway · Yesterday 17:57

I'll look in to that, thanks.

Tenant doesn't care if we sell it, they aren't (and can't) opposing the sale.

Re Eco4, please see my post pg 8 as if you are successful with the heating/boiler under tenant application the scheme may also cover the most expensive bit of the rewiring for you.

If heating & electricity were sorted then my understanding from your posts is the rent could go up further or it might be a more attractive proposition for someone else to buy / you to keep once upgraded.

All best with it, I appreciate very difficult / stressful.

mybiggreenfrog · Yesterday 18:10

I would have declined the inheritance.

Muchmore · Yesterday 18:10

Cantgiveitaway · Yesterday 17:57

I'll look in to that, thanks.

Tenant doesn't care if we sell it, they aren't (and can't) opposing the sale.

Sorry, I meant a cash for keys situation - they agree to end the tenancy on the promise of a cut of the sale proceeds. You sell on with no sitting tennant, they receive payment in exchange for ending the tenancy. If they're already in their 70s then a lump sum might seem attractive?

SeriouslyGotTheTshirt · Yesterday 18:10

Which lawyers did you use to advise you in the first place? Could you go after them (sue them?) for the poor advice they gave you? They should have told you that you could refuse the gift. Have they been negligent in not doing so? Given how much distress they have caused you, maybe you would have a case? (I know nothing about the law on this so I’m just wondering if this is possible. My guess is that lawyers are great at covering their backs, but if you do have a case perhaps you could find a no-win-no-fee solicitor to take it on and get you compensation and future costs.) Apologies if someone has already suggested this. I haven’t RTFT.

SerendipityJane · Yesterday 18:11

SerendipityJane · Yesterday 12:18

This appears to be less about the house then, and much more about your obligations to house the tenant.

What if - as owner - you were to suddenly become unalive, and the property were to be considered intestate ? I have a sneaking suspicion that HMRC would not just accept they have to house the tenant ?

It piqued my curiosity 😎 An interesting read. Legally worth as much as I paid for it but a fascinating gallop through the law.#]

QUESTION

If the owner died intestate, the would the state be required to continue their obligations ?

RESPONSE

The short answer is no, the state (the government) does not take over the landlord obligations, nor will it step in to pay for repairs.
If a landlord dies intestate (without a will), the property, the tenancy, and all accompanying legal obligations automatically become part of the deceased person’s estate. 1, 2]
Here is exactly how the law handles this and how it impacts your current "toxic asset" nightmare:

  1. Who Becomes the Landlord?
When someone dies intestate, the tenancy does not end. The legal title of the property temporarily vests in a government official called the Public Trustee until the court appoints an Administrator (usually the next of kin, via Letters of Administration). 1, 2, 3] The Public Trustee is just a legal placeholder; they do not manage the house, collect rent, or spend money on it. The appointed Administrator steps into the shoes of the landlord and inherits all the exact same repair and safety obligations. 1, 2, 3]
  1. Can the State Be Forced to Take It? (Bona Vacantia)
The only time the state (the Crown) takes ownership of an intestate estate is if the deceased person has absolutely no living blood relatives (no spouse, children, parents, siblings, aunts, uncles, or cousins). This is called Bona Vacantia (ownerless goods). 1] However, even if it goes to the Crown: The Crown is not a traditional landlord. They will not invest money to bring a non-standard construction house up to EPC standard or fix gas lines. If the Crown determines that an asset has a "negative value" (meaning the cost of compliance and the lifetime tenancy outweigh the worth of the land), the Government Legal Department has the statutory right to disclaim the property. Once disclaimed, the property effectively becomes completely ownerless, a legal limbo where the local council may eventually have to step in with a compulsory purchase order if it becomes a public hazard.
  1. The Crucial Rule of Intestacy: "You Cannot Bleed a Stone"
If you are the administrators or beneficiaries of this intestate estate, the law is very specific about where the money for repairs must come from: The estate's funds only: Landlord obligations must be paid out of the deceased person's cash, bank accounts, or by selling other assets within the estate. 1, 2] Your personal money is protected: You are never legally required to use your own personal savings, wages, or equity from your own home to pay for repairs on an inherited property. 1] If the estate has £0 in cash, then the estate is insolvent. An administrator cannot perform repairs if there is no money in the estate to pay for them. 1]

How to use this to your advantage right now
Since you are currently stuck holding this property, you need to use the fact that you have no money as a legal shield rather than a source of panic:
Do not spend another penny of your own money: Let the upcoming 12-month deadline approach. If the gas, electricity, or EPC compliance fails, the tenant or local authority will complain.

(it carries on, but I got the gist ....)

Applying for probate

Find out if you need to apply for probate to deal with the estate of someone who’s died. Discover how to apply for probate or letters of administration and what to do if there’s no will.

https://www.gov.uk/applying-for-probate/apply-for-probate

Cantgiveitaway · Yesterday 18:19

Muchmore · Yesterday 18:10

Sorry, I meant a cash for keys situation - they agree to end the tenancy on the promise of a cut of the sale proceeds. You sell on with no sitting tennant, they receive payment in exchange for ending the tenancy. If they're already in their 70s then a lump sum might seem attractive?

We offered to help them rent somewhere else - pay the rent until benefits were sorted and any difference between benefits and actual rent. But they don't want to leave the property.

They have no need for a lump sum (which may or may not come).

OP posts:
Hildagarden · Yesterday 18:21

OP, you need specialist advice from a solicitor if you haven’t already. This is a complex situation and however title to the property passes, you need to make sure you’re protected. Whilst a lot of the suggestions are well meaning, there is also the chance that it will land you in a worse situation legally. For example, trying to offload legally non-compliant property to a church or charity could be seen as a fraudulent conveyance. A £1 auction with total transparency is your best bet. A cash-rich investor who can wait out the 20 years is the most viable option.

So sorry you’re in this situation.

MadameBethune · Yesterday 18:27

That post above from SerendipityJane has got me thinking.

Was great uncle's estate in fact an insolvent estate at the time of Probate, once you calculate the value of this poisoned chalice properly?

If so, could the executor/ personal representative be liable?

or their lawyer?

https://www.forbessolicitors.co.uk/articles/insolvent-estates-the-dos-and-donts-for-private-client-practitioners

OVienna · Yesterday 18:29

SerendipityJane · Yesterday 18:11

It piqued my curiosity 😎 An interesting read. Legally worth as much as I paid for it but a fascinating gallop through the law.#]

QUESTION

If the owner died intestate, the would the state be required to continue their obligations ?

RESPONSE

The short answer is no, the state (the government) does not take over the landlord obligations, nor will it step in to pay for repairs.
If a landlord dies intestate (without a will), the property, the tenancy, and all accompanying legal obligations automatically become part of the deceased person’s estate. 1, 2]
Here is exactly how the law handles this and how it impacts your current "toxic asset" nightmare:

  1. Who Becomes the Landlord?
When someone dies intestate, the tenancy does not end. The legal title of the property temporarily vests in a government official called the Public Trustee until the court appoints an Administrator (usually the next of kin, via Letters of Administration). 1, 2, 3] The Public Trustee is just a legal placeholder; they do not manage the house, collect rent, or spend money on it. The appointed Administrator steps into the shoes of the landlord and inherits all the exact same repair and safety obligations. 1, 2, 3]
  1. Can the State Be Forced to Take It? (Bona Vacantia)
The only time the state (the Crown) takes ownership of an intestate estate is if the deceased person has absolutely no living blood relatives (no spouse, children, parents, siblings, aunts, uncles, or cousins). This is called Bona Vacantia (ownerless goods). 1] However, even if it goes to the Crown: The Crown is not a traditional landlord. They will not invest money to bring a non-standard construction house up to EPC standard or fix gas lines. If the Crown determines that an asset has a "negative value" (meaning the cost of compliance and the lifetime tenancy outweigh the worth of the land), the Government Legal Department has the statutory right to disclaim the property. Once disclaimed, the property effectively becomes completely ownerless, a legal limbo where the local council may eventually have to step in with a compulsory purchase order if it becomes a public hazard.
  1. The Crucial Rule of Intestacy: "You Cannot Bleed a Stone"
If you are the administrators or beneficiaries of this intestate estate, the law is very specific about where the money for repairs must come from: The estate's funds only: Landlord obligations must be paid out of the deceased person's cash, bank accounts, or by selling other assets within the estate. 1, 2] Your personal money is protected: You are never legally required to use your own personal savings, wages, or equity from your own home to pay for repairs on an inherited property. 1] If the estate has £0 in cash, then the estate is insolvent. An administrator cannot perform repairs if there is no money in the estate to pay for them. 1]

How to use this to your advantage right now
Since you are currently stuck holding this property, you need to use the fact that you have no money as a legal shield rather than a source of panic:
Do not spend another penny of your own money: Let the upcoming 12-month deadline approach. If the gas, electricity, or EPC compliance fails, the tenant or local authority will complain.

(it carries on, but I got the gist ....)

I am not super optimistic about this, but I wonder if it is worth exploring with your lawyer, OP, if the executors who distributed the rest of the half g uncle's estate (if there was anything), should have planned for costs to bring the property up to scratch at the time? I think I would at least be asking this question and seeing if you could have any recompense (If I have understood the rules correctly.)

OVienna · Yesterday 18:30

MadameBethune · Yesterday 18:27

That post above from SerendipityJane has got me thinking.

Was great uncle's estate in fact an insolvent estate at the time of Probate, once you calculate the value of this poisoned chalice properly?

If so, could the executor/ personal representative be liable?

or their lawyer?

https://www.forbessolicitors.co.uk/articles/insolvent-estates-the-dos-and-donts-for-private-client-practitioners

Me too. I think this is worth looking into. 100%.

Cantgiveitaway · Yesterday 18:31

So I spoke to DH about refusing the inheritance (given he inherited it and dealt with the legal side at the time). It turns out he asked at the time, but because we received the back rent (of 2 years) along with the property, and the rent was received prior to us finding out about all the legal ramifications we technically accepted it (it was pennies) we technically "benefitted" from the inheritance and could therefore not refuse it. We needed to have refused it before receiving the money.

DHs dad was executor, there wasn't really a solicitor involved at the time. We got them involved when the paperwork was provided to us. They advised DH it was too late to refuse it and put us in touch with a tenancy specialist who got the rent registered and adjusted and increased etc. That solicitor told us it was a doozy at the time but options were extremely limited. We could at the time have gone to court to argue that it couldn't really be considered "benefitting" given the tiny amount involved but that was expensive and not guaranteed to win. The solicitor thought with the repairs the rent cap could be lifted, we would get close to low market rent and the property would be sellable at a below market value. Repairs Vs court were roughly similar costs.

I was vaguely involved at the time but had some other personal stuff going on which took my attention.

OP posts:
Thegirlwhowent · Yesterday 18:32

EmpressaurusKitty · Yesterday 02:29

The OP mentioned somewhere that the tenant is an uncle so he’s a bloke - not sure why she’s using they / them for him.

He’s also being unreasonable even if he is within his rights. I can see why he wouldn’t want to own the place or move out but having had such a good deal for years it would only be fair to meet the OP & her DH halfway.

And exactly how would a 70 year old, presumably not rich, pensioner 'meet his landlords halfway'? Give them a massive lump sum? Leave his long-term home and sleep on a bench? Agree to spend a fortune on repairs and the upkeep of a house that's not his? Get a mortgage to buy an unmortgageable property?

OVienna · Yesterday 18:33

Shit, your DH's dad was the executor.

Sunworshipper72 · Yesterday 18:33

TremendousFlatulence · 31/10/2026 21:51

Is that a legitimate option? Genuine question - I've never heard of such a thing.

Yes. You can refuse.

Cantgiveitaway · Yesterday 18:33

Hildagarden · Yesterday 18:21

OP, you need specialist advice from a solicitor if you haven’t already. This is a complex situation and however title to the property passes, you need to make sure you’re protected. Whilst a lot of the suggestions are well meaning, there is also the chance that it will land you in a worse situation legally. For example, trying to offload legally non-compliant property to a church or charity could be seen as a fraudulent conveyance. A £1 auction with total transparency is your best bet. A cash-rich investor who can wait out the 20 years is the most viable option.

So sorry you’re in this situation.

Yes, all options on the thread will be properly investigated before we proceed.

A previous poster was annoyed I wasn't just going "yes, amazing, I'll do that" at their suggestion but due diligence is needed here!

OP posts: