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Fellow teachers- AIBU re. Capability Procedures?

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Flouya · Yesterday 03:09

Hi,
As an NQT, after about one term, I was threatened with Capability and jumped before pushed. I have a theory about what really happened, but would you care to give me your wise insights? I will provide some details that may (or may not) be relevant.

So, (not recent)
NQT, started before Christmas.
3 teachers in the year group- an experienced teacher, another NQT and me.

I had a Maternity contract, ran until end of Summer term.

Dont remember exat dates but in roughly this order these evemts took place:

I was given bottom set English- when I started.
I am also given bottom set Maths.by I think Feb aftwr half term.

Around this time maybe, im told by my mentor/deputy that they will support me with planning. Im happy with this, as I take criicism well and was happy to have some 'support'. Some efforts were indeed made to 'support' me.

Later in the term, Head says that there is good news and that the maternity lady who I was covering for until end of July, is able to come to my class straight after May half term, 5 days a week so that she can supoirt me in class, with planning, lear ing everything. I was soo grateful. What an expensive resource to be using on supporting me. And they have already done things to suooirt me, so this is just amazing!

Maybe a few days or a week later, (so about 2 weeks before May half-term) I am called into the Heads office. I was told that despite me being on a
'Support Plan' I have not made enough progress. Im confused cos ibthought Maternity lady was going to be lart of that supoort, but ok. This is when i realised i wasnt just being supported but was on a
'Support Plan'. I had never heard of this before. And still didnt understand the significance of it.

As a result, I was told, that the following week, on Monday, (the laat week of befire breaking up) we will have a Capability meeting and I can bring a Union Representative if I want and they will be discussing what other steps they can put in place or something, cant remember exactly. No idea what it all meant. So stressed! What's going on? They pull out a whole list of things ive not done well e.g. ' On x say in x lesson, during a learning walk, we noticed that...'

Spoke to a teacher friend in the evening. She said they want to get rid of you and you need to get out before they put 'Capability' on your record. She said do whatever it takes, even if it is going off sick until your contract ends, but do not allow them to put you on Capability!

I cant do that- go on sick. Doesn't sit right with me. Next day im discussing with another colleague- 'im not sure what my options are, is it better if I leave' etc, etc. In confidence, so I thought.

Pretty soon, Deputy comes to my room. And says we heard you are thinking of leaving. If YOU want to leave we will 100% support that. I say 'Oh, ok but what about serving my notice, how long would I need to do that? (as i only had 2 months to go) she said 'You dont need to serve your notice' 'ok, I replied, so when do you want me to leave?' ' You will be leaving end of next week' she replied. Meaning the last day of term.

Im then called into the Heads office pronto, so she can clarify that THEY are not telling me to leave next week, but if I CHOOSE to leave next week THEY will fully support that and that they can, as a gesture of good will cancel the Capability meeting on Monday. But if I choose to stay, then the Capability meeting will go ahead on Monday, and they just wont be able to change it. It is out of their hands! And that they wont pay my notice because I am CHOOSING to leave next week.

I speak to my Union. Hand in my notice. Not allowed to tell the students. They were informed on Friday via a letter. I was too sressed and compliant to go against that.

So if you have got this far- thank you. Do you see anything obvious about why this all happened or is it just what they told me?

Oh, also, they had an Ofsted the following term which had a poaitive outcome.

YAbu- They gave you support, you just werent good enough. They had no choice.

Yanbu- There were hidden reasons beyond what they told you.

OP posts:
Peachghost · Yesterday 08:44

SevenYellowHammers · Yesterday 08:04

You said yourself that you were “so stressed” so you should have took friend’s advice and gone off sick. Then got your union to work for you. Generally, this is case work not work based rep level. So contact union HQ and speak to advisor. Which union is it? Unfair or constructive dismissal is notoriously hard to claim but you might have a case. At the least you should have a payment of about 3 months salary and an agreed reference. I’m on a course at end of next month on capability for NEU which is probably a long wait but do feel free to contact me via here. Have you managed to get QTS and are you hoping to continue with career?

Edited

People who go off sick the moment competency issues are raised are selfish muppets who take no accountability for themselves. Feeling stressed can be a normal part of life, it does not necessarily mean someone needs to be signed off sick. A person who chooses to go off sick instead of working with their employer should just be fired as its clear they have no interest in improving their skills and are just trying to rinse the company. This is a particular problem in the public sector because of the more generous sick leave allowance. The NEU are clearly a joke if this is the advice they give.

As to a 3 month payout, what makes you think the OP would have got that? For a start, she was the one who chose to resign. But if she hadn't, they could take her down the capability route or terminate her due to the maternity person coming back.

And no, the OP absolutely does not have a case for constructive dismissal.

AlertCat · Yesterday 08:48

cariadlet · Yesterday 08:34

It does sound as though you were treated really badly.

Sorry to sidetrack but I'm confused by the reference to bottom set English and maths. These subjects are usually taught in sets in secondary schools but teachers don't normally teach 2 very different subjects. Teachers do teach both English and maths (amongst many other subjects) in primary schools but would usually teach their own class.

In multi form intake primaries they do jumble classes up for core subjects

Shinyandnew1 · Yesterday 08:54

Teaching sets for maths and English is not uncommon in primary.

Offering to put an experienced Teacher into a class as an extra teacher to support 5 days a week, is extremely unusual though-even with a failing teacher.

What did your union rep say?

Have you been able to complete your training elsewhere since?

Omgx · Yesterday 08:59

My first teaching job went like that. I just moved on, became outstanding the next year and had a successful 18 year career as a teacher/ senco/ deputy in lovely schools. Just move on, honestly, let go and put it in the bin as something to forget

cariadlet · Yesterday 09:05

AlertCat · Yesterday 08:48

In multi form intake primaries they do jumble classes up for core subjects

I teach in a 3 form entry primary and we don't have sets. I'm surprised to hear that some schools do but if that's your experience then it must sometimes happen.

Bloau · Yesterday 09:14

cariadlet · Yesterday 09:05

I teach in a 3 form entry primary and we don't have sets. I'm surprised to hear that some schools do but if that's your experience then it must sometimes happen.

I've taught sets and normal classes within the same school at different times. I was surprised my child's school still does it (in KS1!) as I thought it was a bit out of vogue now.

ohmaaaan · Yesterday 09:18

This sort of thing happens all the time. The unions can’t do much. They can ensure procedures are followed properly but they can’t stop them happening.

ohmaaaan · Yesterday 09:19

And going off sick is sometimes necessary to buy some time.

Remember, there are long notice periods in teaching.

Flouya · Yesterday 11:39

Thank you for all the replies. Wasnt expecting so many, so will try to answer as many as possoble here.
Yes, it was a little while again, hence NQT
Primary teaching, hemce the talk about different subjects.
Yes, classes were set and as the NQT, I was given both bottom set for English and Maths- the classes with the more challenging behaviours- interesting to give both classes to an NQT. (The maths group was alreasy not progressing well- even more interesting wjy the class would come to me)
Yes, I had definitely had some weaknesses, but also think I was treated very badly.
My contract was until end of tue summer term.
The Union did not tell me anything. Just said dont hand in your resignation. A lovely man wrote the letter for me asking for notice period pay. They paid me one month.

Tobthose with advice- thank you so mich. This was a while ago. I was very naive. Had no idea what is haooening. However, i went to a different school, passed my NQT uear. New head was very pleased with me and I have had a successful career since..

Every once in a while I wonder what the real motives were that's all. After this experience and a bereavement soon after, I did find it incredibly hard to push myself back into teaching, but I did it and do it well.

If I can, I will be deleting this soon. Thanks again for the responses.

OP posts:
Flouya · Yesterday 11:43

PJsAndCosySocks · Yesterday 03:40

You were absolutely stitched up like a kipper. I'm so sorry. There are brilliant schools out there and there are absolutely shitty schools out there. You got a shitty school.

You say you were an NQT, if this is the case, it sounds like this happened quite a while ago as it's been ECT for 4+ years now. I would advise that you contact your union and also seek legal advice. Unfortunately, I don't think much will come of this; if you were still in the school your union would have fought very hard for you (your NQT provider would have too) but essentially on paper, it looks like you resigned willingly. You could go down the route of constructive dismissal however - it certainly sounds like you weren't fully aware of what was happening to you.

As a general rule of thumb, if the word 'support' is ever used, be wary. It is rarely support for you and it's code for "we tried everything we could before we threw the book at them" (without necessarily giving you much support). Bad schools/heads, throw support plans around like sweets. I've rarely known a support plan have a positive outcome for a teacher. Secondly, teaching is a minefield of political backstabbing. These are your colleagues, not your friends and most will sell their own granny for a chance to be 'in' with the head. Be very careful of who you talk to in confidence, it is rarely confidential.

If you still want to teach, find a lovely school. It's honestly mind blowing how different the job can feel when you find the school that's right for you.

Thank you for this lovely post. I came out the other side.

OP posts:
Flouya · Yesterday 11:45

VashtaNerada · Yesterday 03:42

Support plans are being notoriously misused in teaching, there’s a lot on social media about it. I’ve seen it happen time and time again. Not once have I seen one administered fairly but the odds are stacked in the favour of the employer and it’s a brave person who holds them to account.
Don’t torture yourself trying to work out what you did wrong. Look up all the other people who have been through it - some with decades of successful teaching behind them. It really isn’t you, it’s a broken system with far too many bullies in positions of power.

Thank you. Luckily, I was one of those who made it in the end.

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ProudCat · Yesterday 11:57

I don't know because you'd need to show me your contract (teacher and union rep). Maternity contracts often have a clause that the role ends at the point the returning teacher comes back. They don't have to give much notice.

To be honest, it reads as if your returning teacher told them she was coming back, someone said something stupid about keeping you on and that would mean 2 x teachers for one class, so they back peddled and tried to make it sound like your fault. There might have also have been a mistake with your contract where they didn't include the break clause so would've faced double salaries including over summer.

Yes, people can be absolutely vile when they're trying to cover their own arses.

SevenYellowHammers · Yesterday 12:37

Flouya · Yesterday 11:39

Thank you for all the replies. Wasnt expecting so many, so will try to answer as many as possoble here.
Yes, it was a little while again, hence NQT
Primary teaching, hemce the talk about different subjects.
Yes, classes were set and as the NQT, I was given both bottom set for English and Maths- the classes with the more challenging behaviours- interesting to give both classes to an NQT. (The maths group was alreasy not progressing well- even more interesting wjy the class would come to me)
Yes, I had definitely had some weaknesses, but also think I was treated very badly.
My contract was until end of tue summer term.
The Union did not tell me anything. Just said dont hand in your resignation. A lovely man wrote the letter for me asking for notice period pay. They paid me one month.

Tobthose with advice- thank you so mich. This was a while ago. I was very naive. Had no idea what is haooening. However, i went to a different school, passed my NQT uear. New head was very pleased with me and I have had a successful career since..

Every once in a while I wonder what the real motives were that's all. After this experience and a bereavement soon after, I did find it incredibly hard to push myself back into teaching, but I did it and do it well.

If I can, I will be deleting this soon. Thanks again for the responses.

Good to hear.

You were treated badly. It takes years to get over the injustice. I think, with it being a temp contract it was difficult for union to get a better deal but please keep up your subs - and I say that to all in education.

It can be brutal out there, you’re spat out when you’re older, female, ethnic minority, pregnant, menopausal and so on.

And - everyone - check your pension, with the privatisation of state education the trusts are often slow to update pensions and you might see gaps in service that you have to fight to get restored.

Teaching is horrendous in terms of what it does to your time, body, mind and energy but please, please, please never neglect your health, your family, your union subs and checking your pension.

HubertLaneIsMyNemesis · Yesterday 13:24

InLawTwats · Yesterday 07:46

Not so. A maternity cover is the easiest contract to terminate as it is absolutely clear that the contract ends when the person on maternity leave returns to work. Public sector or not.

That’s what I was going to say. I’ve done a few maternity contracts and it has always named the teacher in the contract and if she comes back early I get one weeks notice. I’ve done one where the baby died and she came back months and months earlier than planned.

SevenYellowHammers · Yesterday 13:37

ProudCat · Yesterday 11:57

I don't know because you'd need to show me your contract (teacher and union rep). Maternity contracts often have a clause that the role ends at the point the returning teacher comes back. They don't have to give much notice.

To be honest, it reads as if your returning teacher told them she was coming back, someone said something stupid about keeping you on and that would mean 2 x teachers for one class, so they back peddled and tried to make it sound like your fault. There might have also have been a mistake with your contract where they didn't include the break clause so would've faced double salaries including over summer.

Yes, people can be absolutely vile when they're trying to cover their own arses.

100% agree. If they screwed up with OPs contract the least they could have done was pay her off and give her a good reference. Instead they filled her with self doubt. Everyone is vulnerable to capability, if they’re out to get you, they’re out to get you. People go on about ofsted but it’s HTT/SLT that screw the job up. I know some people will say they are at a lovely school with decent management and that’s brilliant but such schools are few and far between. Academisation and the GERM!

Pearlstillsinging · Yesterday 13:47

Bernadinetta · Yesterday 07:20

This sort of thing happens all the time in schools.

As for the union, they probably said just to get out- their MO seems to be to extricate people rather than actually standing up/fighting against people being treated badly.

I know (multiple) teachers who have been threatened with capability, have made the first moves towards standing up against it and have then been offered (and taken) a pay out (eg 2-3 months salary) and signed an NDA to leave quickly and quietly.

Are you still teaching OP?

The unions in this kind of situation usually act in the best interests of the individual member, rather than 'the greater good". Anyone who has been in a similar position and fought the employer will tell you how stressful it is.

Better for an NQT to leave in a dignified manner with an agreed reference than waste time and make themselves ill fighting a very stressful case.

OP, the H/T acted badly. I hope you have been able to move on successfully.

Octavia64 · Yesterday 13:59

I was in this situation (moved schools and went on to have a successful career for twenty years).

union advice was to negotiate a reference and leave.

it happens a lot.

it actually cheered me up the first time I saw it happen to someone else as it made reality for me that it was common (as my union had said).

I then saw it happen many many more times and was less cheered up. Teaching is brutal.

monkeysox · Yesterday 18:02

Octavia64 · Yesterday 08:28

They aren’t supppsed to put NQTs on capability because by definition you are already getting support through your mentor.

but yes, schools do do this and it’s not usually about the quality of your teaching.

i worked in schools for twenty years and it is unfortunately quite common.

i have lots of similar stories with colleagues. It’s unfortunately the standard way of forcing out people leadership have decided that they can’t afford/don’t fit the new vision.

it’s pretty fucking brutal to the MH of the people concerned.

Agree. Ect is 2 years now and you should have a mentor.

AlertCat · Yesterday 18:43

Glad to hear this is far behind you @Flouya and you’re doing well now.

I agree with @Pearlstillsinging sbout the brutality of some processes. I knew a lovely bloke who management took against (possibly because he became the union rep) and I heard that he ended up losing his house because he was made so ill by the way they forced him out. It kind of haunts me actually, because he was so lovely- a “real gent” but he actually was. I had moved on by the time this happened and had lost touch with him, I heard it on the grapevine and really hope that it wasn’t true!

Flouya · Yesterday 18:45

Pearlstillsinging · Yesterday 13:47

The unions in this kind of situation usually act in the best interests of the individual member, rather than 'the greater good". Anyone who has been in a similar position and fought the employer will tell you how stressful it is.

Better for an NQT to leave in a dignified manner with an agreed reference than waste time and make themselves ill fighting a very stressful case.

OP, the H/T acted badly. I hope you have been able to move on successfully.

Thank you. Yes, it actually worked out really well due to a family illness/bereavement. I also continied my NQT year elsewhere, did well and continued to teach in some much better schools.

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Bernadinetta · Yesterday 21:40

Pearlstillsinging · Yesterday 13:47

The unions in this kind of situation usually act in the best interests of the individual member, rather than 'the greater good". Anyone who has been in a similar position and fought the employer will tell you how stressful it is.

Better for an NQT to leave in a dignified manner with an agreed reference than waste time and make themselves ill fighting a very stressful case.

OP, the H/T acted badly. I hope you have been able to move on successfully.

I’ve been in the situation- worse, after 18 years of teaching and am wracked with guilt every single day that I didn’t do anything to stand up to the injustice and inhumane treatment because it’s just not right and keeps happening over and over again but I just don’t have the fight in me and was advised by the union to “just get out” and basically had a breakdown and am no longer teaching. But then these Heads get away with it and feel untouchable.

Flouya · Yesterday 22:59

Bernadinetta · Yesterday 21:40

I’ve been in the situation- worse, after 18 years of teaching and am wracked with guilt every single day that I didn’t do anything to stand up to the injustice and inhumane treatment because it’s just not right and keeps happening over and over again but I just don’t have the fight in me and was advised by the union to “just get out” and basically had a breakdown and am no longer teaching. But then these Heads get away with it and feel untouchable.

That must have been tough. It is brutal out there. Hope you can get past this and find something that goves you peace.

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Bernadinetta · Today 07:44

Flouya · Yesterday 22:59

That must have been tough. It is brutal out there. Hope you can get past this and find something that goves you peace.

Thank you, I am now in a new job that I enjoy very much and have great colleagues. It happened in July 2025. It sounds ridiculous but it’s like being in/coming out of an abusive relationship. I’ll never forget having a meeting with the union and my head teacher I had worked with (and bent over backwards to do everything she asked) for 14 years, and her not making eye contact with me and referring to me as “the employee” throughout the meeting.

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