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To think everything will be unrecognisable in 50 years

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CurdinHenry · 18/10/2026 11:38

Just thinking about how different the UK was in the 70s and how change is supercharged now by tech and mass migration and the loss of shared cultural reference points in TV and newspapers and radio.

I live in Glasgow and many parts of it are no longer at all Scottish-seeming apart from the old sandstone tenements. What even is Scottish any more? It's hard to imagine Scottish independence being taken up by the new communities. But what's next?

I think human societies are programmed to self destruct every so often in the absence of external numbers control pressures and I think that's what's starting now across Europe. We have never had it so good in the history of time yet rage flourishes

What can we do as individuals, I'm just not sure

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ClairDeLaLune · 18/10/2026 19:29

CurdinHenry · 18/10/2026 12:12

I think in Scotland we've never had to face the feeling of the culture you grew up in ceasing to exist. I wish it had changed in a wealthy still in the EU way rather than an anyone to fill the Brexit gaps way tbh (sorry to be a socio-economic discriminator but there we are).

Socio-economic discriminator or racist? It’s a fine line.

Dont worry OP, in 50 years we’ll all be dead and AI will rule the world.

Barrydoughnut · 18/10/2026 19:29

I was in Glasgow yesterday. I was mainly in the West End so lots of English accents. Still felt Scottish though. Also didn’t feel dodgy in the centre despite the recently bad publicity but my friend’s DCs are at uni there and have talked to her about where the dodgy parts are and when they know to avoid.

I live elsewhere in Scotland and my DCs went/go to a school with a lot of kids with a diverse cultural background. DC2’s closest friends have an ethnic heritage from countries in North Africa and the ME. One wants to be a doctor, the other a lawyer. One plays the same online games as
DC, the other goes to the same parties. DC met up this weekend with a (different) bunch of kids who recently left school. None are white, I don’t know the ethnic heritage of all are but I had a chat to one of them a few days ago who said how grateful to their parents they were for coming to the UK as they much preferred it for reasons they listed to their parents home country. These are lovely clever polite and respectful hard working kids, at university and ambitious.

We might talk about “communities” as if this draws lines of separation but communities are multi-layered and can also bring us together. You can’t just look around and go “oooh, demographic change”. There are complications but we need to keep talking, be honest, acknowledge and address them. It’s not an inevitable disaster zone.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 18/10/2026 19:29

ExtraHotDoubleShot · 18/10/2026 19:20

So now you’ve realised non white people have contributed to British culture, you can suddenly accept there is a ‘British culture’, say how amazing they are and provide examples of it? 😂

I don't know what your problem is with me, but it's starting to get annoying. For the umpteenth time, I have never once claimed that there is no such thing as British culture. I have asked you to quote back the post(s) where you believe that I said that, but you haven't done so, so I presume that you know they don't exist.

My point all along has been that British culture is constantly evolving and changing, and that as such, there will inevitably be different interpretations of what it actually is.

I'm glad that you seem to have come round to this point of view.

Hopefully we can agree that the video shared by @DorsetKnobBiscuit is a very fine example of contributions from an immigrant becoming a much-loved part of our ever-evolving British culture.

CurdinHenry · 18/10/2026 19:33

ClairDeLaLune · 18/10/2026 19:29

Socio-economic discriminator or racist? It’s a fine line.

Dont worry OP, in 50 years we’ll all be dead and AI will rule the world.

It's not a fine line, but I get that a lot of people don't understand the difference

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MsMacheath · 18/10/2026 19:35

Barrydoughnut · 18/10/2026 19:29

I was in Glasgow yesterday. I was mainly in the West End so lots of English accents. Still felt Scottish though. Also didn’t feel dodgy in the centre despite the recently bad publicity but my friend’s DCs are at uni there and have talked to her about where the dodgy parts are and when they know to avoid.

I live elsewhere in Scotland and my DCs went/go to a school with a lot of kids with a diverse cultural background. DC2’s closest friends have an ethnic heritage from countries in North Africa and the ME. One wants to be a doctor, the other a lawyer. One plays the same online games as
DC, the other goes to the same parties. DC met up this weekend with a (different) bunch of kids who recently left school. None are white, I don’t know the ethnic heritage of all are but I had a chat to one of them a few days ago who said how grateful to their parents they were for coming to the UK as they much preferred it for reasons they listed to their parents home country. These are lovely clever polite and respectful hard working kids, at university and ambitious.

We might talk about “communities” as if this draws lines of separation but communities are multi-layered and can also bring us together. You can’t just look around and go “oooh, demographic change”. There are complications but we need to keep talking, be honest, acknowledge and address them. It’s not an inevitable disaster zone.

DC met up this weekend with a (different) bunch of kids who recently left school. None are white.

Really? That's quite surprising given that Scotland is, according to the last census, 96% white. And that figure is skewed by Glasgow and to a lesser extent Edinburgh, Dundee and Aberdeen.

Barrydoughnut · 18/10/2026 19:36

The UK is a small densely populated country. There are strong regional cultures. I wouldn’t risk telling someone from Yorkshire there is no Yorkshire culture and I think if you asked someone who had lived in Yorkshire for even a short period of time what the region’s traits were they would be able to tell you, even if it’s just because they had been specifically told themselves.

XenaSharples · 18/10/2026 19:39

MsMacheath · 18/10/2026 19:35

DC met up this weekend with a (different) bunch of kids who recently left school. None are white.

Really? That's quite surprising given that Scotland is, according to the last census, 96% white. And that figure is skewed by Glasgow and to a lesser extent Edinburgh, Dundee and Aberdeen.

Why is that surprising? My closest friends in school were Nigerian and Malaysian. That was in Ireland in the '80s, which was overwhelmingly white.

Barrydoughnut · 18/10/2026 19:41

MsMacheath · 18/10/2026 19:35

DC met up this weekend with a (different) bunch of kids who recently left school. None are white.

Really? That's quite surprising given that Scotland is, according to the last census, 96% white. And that figure is skewed by Glasgow and to a lesser extent Edinburgh, Dundee and Aberdeen.

Yes. There were 5 of them inc DC. I know one is of Nigerian heritage and one Bangladeshi, no idea about the others. From the chat about “culture day” at the school, I think there are about 80 different nationalities in the heritage of the backgrounds of the kids at the school (I think this includes regions that span other countries that have their own identity).

JuliaBraverman · 18/10/2026 19:42

theearthsayshello · 18/10/2026 13:57

Well put. The majority agree. Mumsnetters are really, genuinely clueless though, or terrified of telling the truth.

It’s always been left leaning and is not a true representation.

MsMacheath · 18/10/2026 19:44

XenaSharples · 18/10/2026 19:39

Why is that surprising? My closest friends in school were Nigerian and Malaysian. That was in Ireland in the '80s, which was overwhelmingly white.

Poster's son met up with "a bunch of kids" who'd recently left school - none of whom were white. That's pretty surprising given the demographic of Scotland.

MsMacheath · 18/10/2026 19:44

Barrydoughnut · 18/10/2026 19:41

Yes. There were 5 of them inc DC. I know one is of Nigerian heritage and one Bangladeshi, no idea about the others. From the chat about “culture day” at the school, I think there are about 80 different nationalities in the heritage of the backgrounds of the kids at the school (I think this includes regions that span other countries that have their own identity).

Where in Scotland was this?

Barrydoughnut · 18/10/2026 19:48

Do you think I am lying? I met up with a friend who lives on Ayrshire coast and she mentioned that there were only a few non-white kids at her DC’s school. I’m sure that’s the same in the rural
school where I grew up. It’s not the same in cities.

PrincessofWills · 18/10/2026 19:56

To the poster who said its not older people who are angry - you're clearly not mixing with the right people. My friends and I of that demographic are very angry.
We're angry that our dread of needing medical care is very real, we are sick to death of war and the bullying political culture of the US which is having an effect worldwide on behaviour, we're very concerned about homelessness, the fact the poor are getting poorer, the general attitude of disrespect permeating from politics down to everyday interactions, the casual racism and I could go on . . .

FlowerBin · 18/10/2026 20:30

PammyPrang · 18/10/2026 18:47

My dcs in their early 20s die of envy of my era! When TOTP was must-have viewing and the charts had meaning. When there was all sorts in the top 40, from pop to rock to country to dreadful novelty songs that came out of nowhere.

There was definitely a golden age of pop music and it ain’t now. What classic songs have there been lately? Answer not needed.

My 21y adores music and says the 80s and 90s were the best by far!

ScotiaLass · 18/10/2026 20:56

CurdinHenry · 18/10/2026 12:12

I think in Scotland we've never had to face the feeling of the culture you grew up in ceasing to exist. I wish it had changed in a wealthy still in the EU way rather than an anyone to fill the Brexit gaps way tbh (sorry to be a socio-economic discriminator but there we are).

In what tangible ways does the culture you grew up in no longer exist? I am Scottish and lived and worked in Glasgow for almost 25 years and I don't recognise what you are talking about at all. Yes, Glasgow is more diverse than it once was, but the BME population is still less than 20% and it's also a much more vibrant place than it was in the 1990s. What has changed is an optimism for the future that came about as a result of the Garden Festival and the City of Culture status that led to investment in the city. We've not lost that optimism because of immigration or increased cultural diversity. It's happened as a result of decades of austerity and public funding cuts.

MsMacheath · 18/10/2026 20:57

Barrydoughnut · 18/10/2026 19:48

Do you think I am lying? I met up with a friend who lives on Ayrshire coast and she mentioned that there were only a few non-white kids at her DC’s school. I’m sure that’s the same in the rural
school where I grew up. It’s not the same in cities.

I'm in Edinburgh. My son went to school in Edinburgh. His school was by a large majority white.

Barrydoughnut · 18/10/2026 21:04

And?

Barrydoughnut · 18/10/2026 21:08

I’m confused by this. Even at a “majority white” school, could there not be at least 4 kids who were non-white, that were friends with each other and were friends with your son? Unless it’s tiny private school, I think your implication is
quite odd.

thestudio · 18/10/2026 21:34

thestudio · 18/10/2026 17:23

I think that's 100% true about skin colour. But that's not what this is about - it's about integration.

Most communities in the history of immigration have had, for different reasons, a drive to integrate. I think that is not the case currently and that's critical.

Our culture and society is probably now more welcoming than it's ever been to immigrants who want to be British*. I think most people are not default, unashamed racists anymore, as they were in the 70s and 80s. I absolutely know that institutional racism, micro-aggressions etc still exists, but broadly speaking your average white Briton who has been through the school system is much less likely to use racist slurs for example, or to express hostility to second-generation incomers on the basis that they aren't white. It's not enough - but it's meaningful in the broader context of what is going on now.

What is happening now is a response to a lack of integration. I, a lifelong leftwing feminist, feel it myself. I don't like groups of men gathering to smoke on the corner of my street while the women are invisible after school pick up time. I don't like seeing six-year-old girls in restrictive clothing which makes it impossible to run and play, while the boys do so freely.

I don't like the fact that multiculturalism has prioritised the 'cultural sensitivities' of the male authorities who preside over those cultures, and not the human rights of half of that culture. I don't like the 'don't tell Muslim women that their choices are invalid' narrative that asserts that, magically, those deeply patriarchal cultures are the only ones where social pressures, internalised misogyny, and fear of retribution don't impact those 'choices'.

I especially don't like the fact that it is now pretty much impossible to say so publicly in the liberal-but-privileged circles in which I live and which run the country at most levels. [As an aside, I am not liberal myself - I'm far towards the radical wing of both leftism and feminism and believe liberalism has been the smiling face of the globalised capitalism that is about to destroy us.)

I know that my position is probably unusual - I doubt that many people calling for limits to immigration are doing so because they are concerned with women's rights. But I think what I experience - a sense that there is a growing portion of our society which is actively and openly hostile to what we call our 'common values', however poorly applied and fractured those values are, however far we have to go before those values are actually structural in our society - is very, very common.

That sense of a rejection of common values can be about ideology or politics, or it can be as simple as 'the men gather on the street corners to smoke, and they pretend I don't exist so I have to step into the road to pass, and the women are inside' or even more simply 'multiculturalism has somehow caused a whole area is mono-cultural'. On the latter point, you can indeed argue that people somehow didn't have a problem when the monoculture is White British - but it's nevertheless insane to pretend that it's not basic human psychology to notice when an incursive group takes the geographical place of the previous group.

Most of the people who are expressing a profound unease at where we're at are able to do so precisely because they are not in the liberal-but-privileged class. They don't have the vocabulary or political sophistication to articulate the nuance of what they feel, so it gets expressed through the language of a retrogressive racism which I don't think they actually feel. Or perhaps, the overt expression of racism has been more recently accepted for them than for privileged liberals, so that language bubbles back more quickly.

But we are idiots if we pretend that it's not a problem.

Doing so alienates the people who still form the majority of this country, and who, if they lose faith in the flawed project of liberalism, could fuck everything, for all of us. Because while liberal govts pretend they can't hear them, anyone who has an interest in harnessing their rage pretends they can.

*while retaining their distinct heritage.

Edited

Is anyone on the liberal left willing to engage with my point that it is a failure to promote integration rather than the failure of immigration per se that has got us where we are?

I am genuinely interested to hear what people think because as I say it seems in my circles at least to be undiscussable.

and ofc there is a tension, whether it is discussed or not, between multiculturalism and integration, depending on how you define the former.

ETA: and the latter!

Barrydoughnut · 18/10/2026 21:56

Probably. My white DD is currently talking to two non-white boys in our kitchen. I can hear them
talking about school exams and the Roblox game Adopt Me. They are having a laugh.

Lhori · 19/10/2026 07:41

PurplePinata · 18/10/2026 12:55

It worries me so much what Britain will be like in 50 years time. White British people are predicted to be a minority by then. I know there are people who think this is wonderful and others who are indifferent, but a lot of people are genuinely concerned about how this will impact culture, politics, religion, ways of living, womens rights.However they just get branded as racist. I dont think it's irrational to predict that the uk could be governed by a Muslim party in 50 years and the UK officially becoming a Muslim country. It's happened in orher countries where Islam has taken over. I'm so scared for my daughter's future.

Only about 6% of the UK population is Muslim. About 76% are white British. You do sound a bit irrational.

LadyUrsula · 19/10/2026 12:02

The notion of culture is an interesting one to me (I am white British) because there are many groups of white British people with whom I don't share culture. I don't watch football, play Bingo, watch soaps or reality TV. I rarely go in pubs. I have more in common with a local Hindu doctor's family who enjoy going to the theatre, attending book club, visits to museums & art galleries etc. I have a long-standing female friend who is black and a retired barrister. Over the years we have shared more in common culturally than I have with some of my white cousins.

HeyThereDelila · 19/10/2026 12:24

YANBU. At the outbreak of WW2 the UK was 99.8% white. We all had a shared experience- everyone knew someone who served and died. We all shared the same loyalties.

Now we don’t. Societies can’t function like this. Within 100 years white Britons will probably be the minority.

ExtraHotDoubleShot · 19/10/2026 12:25

LadyUrsula · 19/10/2026 12:02

The notion of culture is an interesting one to me (I am white British) because there are many groups of white British people with whom I don't share culture. I don't watch football, play Bingo, watch soaps or reality TV. I rarely go in pubs. I have more in common with a local Hindu doctor's family who enjoy going to the theatre, attending book club, visits to museums & art galleries etc. I have a long-standing female friend who is black and a retired barrister. Over the years we have shared more in common culturally than I have with some of my white cousins.

But what you’re describing isn’t Hindu or black culture, it’s just their personalities… which nobody is saying don’t exist; from person to person. It’s not ‘culture’ though it’s just a shared enjoyments of the same activity

ilovesooty · 19/10/2026 12:29

HeyThereDelila · 19/10/2026 12:24

YANBU. At the outbreak of WW2 the UK was 99.8% white. We all had a shared experience- everyone knew someone who served and died. We all shared the same loyalties.

Now we don’t. Societies can’t function like this. Within 100 years white Britons will probably be the minority.

Why does it matter to you that there are British citizens who are not white?

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