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FOUR out of FIVE new jobs went to foreigners in the past decade, new report reveals

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OpenScroller · 14/10/2026 16:48

Four in five jobs created over the past decade have been taken by migrants.

Of the 3.7million new roles recorded under the PAYE system since 2014, just 734,000 were taken by UK nationals, a think-tank has found.

EU citizens accounted for 408,000 jobs, while the vast majority – 2.5million – went to migrants from the rest of the world, the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ) said, with most of the surge coming since the pandemic.

The think-tank warned that while employers gained 'unprecedented access to overseas labour', taxpayers have been forced to absorb the cost of millions of Britons being 'written off' and left on benefits.

As the number of migrant workers soared by 2.1million from 2020, the number of people receiving out-of-work benefits across the UK rose by 2.3million.

More than one in four (29 per cent) of the jobs that went to migrant workers from outside Europe were in health and social work.

So much for British jobs for British people!

Do we think this is due to Brits being 'too lazy to work' or because of a combination of employers wanting to pay lower wages and offer worse working conditions to migrants/preferring to employ migrants/not wanting to invest in training Brits/diversity hire tick boxes etc.

https://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/10/CSJ-State_of_Dependency.pdf

https://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/10/CSJ-State_of_Dependency.pdf

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blacksax · 18/10/2026 17:47

Did I just roll my eyes out loud?

PumpkinSeasonIsHere · 18/10/2026 17:56

XenoBitch · 18/10/2026 17:39

Totally different reasons though.

Back packing Brits do it in Australia to fund their trip. They are not there because they could not get a job here. No one unemployed with no money is spending the £1k+ for flights to Oz.
Those Brits are not the ones desperate for work here. They tend to be middle class and on a gap year.

Exactly. The young people who pay for a working holiday visa and flights are highly unlikely to be the same ones who are in receipt of benefits due to being unable to find suitable work.

JenniferBooth · 18/10/2026 17:58

Frequency · 18/10/2026 17:12

It's pretty obvious the poster wanted the teenage benefit claimants (young care leavers and young parents) and not the middle class uni students who go backpacking around Aus to go fruit picking on British farms for a pittance, so social housing rules are very much relevant.

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THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Timeforachange26 · 18/10/2026 18:06

JenniferBooth · 18/10/2026 17:58

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So why can't the unemployed teens do it

XenoBitch · 18/10/2026 18:07

Timeforachange26 · 18/10/2026 18:06

So why can't the unemployed teens do it

Unemployed teens magic money out their arse and fly to Oz?

HelpMyBlackLabradorVotesReform · 18/10/2026 18:23

XenoBitch · 18/10/2026 18:07

Unemployed teens magic money out their arse and fly to Oz?

They will be very different groups of teens. The ones motivated enough to go to Australia and get work to fund their trip are not going same ones that are unemployed They probably work in the UK to fund the trip also and will have got more life experience to get a job when they get back. Some teens just have the get up and go and other don't

vodkaredbullgirl · 18/10/2026 18:23

XenoBitch · 18/10/2026 18:07

Unemployed teens magic money out their arse and fly to Oz?

😆

XenoBitch · 18/10/2026 18:27

HelpMyBlackLabradorVotesReform · 18/10/2026 18:23

They will be very different groups of teens. The ones motivated enough to go to Australia and get work to fund their trip are not going same ones that are unemployed They probably work in the UK to fund the trip also and will have got more life experience to get a job when they get back. Some teens just have the get up and go and other don't

Well yes, that was the point that me and @JenniferBooth were trying to make.

PP saying Brits go to Oz to fruit pick, so why can't Brits fruit pick here.. totally different groups and motivation.

If you want to buy a house and start a family, seasonal work is no good at all.

ToWhitToWhoo · 18/10/2026 18:29

HelpMyBlackLabradorVotesReform · 18/10/2026 18:23

They will be very different groups of teens. The ones motivated enough to go to Australia and get work to fund their trip are not going same ones that are unemployed They probably work in the UK to fund the trip also and will have got more life experience to get a job when they get back. Some teens just have the get up and go and other don't

And some teens have the Bank of Mum and Dad, and some don't..

Timeforachange26 · 18/10/2026 19:07

XenoBitch · 18/10/2026 18:07

Unemployed teens magic money out their arse and fly to Oz?

Oh FFS How thick are some people.? Unemployed teens living with parents and hopefully near the farm.

They won't be buying a house on seasonal work ( not that many teens but houses) 1 but they will have a couple of months work rather than languishing on under £100 a week universal credit while sat in their bedroom

XenoBitch · 18/10/2026 19:11

Timeforachange26 · 18/10/2026 19:07

Oh FFS How thick are some people.? Unemployed teens living with parents and hopefully near the farm.

They won't be buying a house on seasonal work ( not that many teens but houses) 1 but they will have a couple of months work rather than languishing on under £100 a week universal credit while sat in their bedroom

Yes, because everyone lives near a farm 🙄

We were not even on about teens here... just general unemployed which could be people in their 60s. Do you think people in their 60s would be doing fruit picking?

Timeforachange26 · 18/10/2026 19:15

XenoBitch · 18/10/2026 19:11

Yes, because everyone lives near a farm 🙄

We were not even on about teens here... just general unemployed which could be people in their 60s. Do you think people in their 60s would be doing fruit picking?

Not everyone no. But I'm sure there are some that do.

Fimofriend · 18/10/2026 19:37

JenniferBooth · 18/10/2026 16:25

The farm had a bus Is that singular or plural Do all the farms do it?

I haven't worked in that business for years but yes back then, approx. ten years ago I know of one other nearby farm who did the same and my coworkers all talked as if it was completely normal. I know that the farm I worked for still has at least one bus. I don't know if they had or have more than one. I only used it myself a couple of times when we had teambuilding and also for a Christmas party.

The thing is that a lot of farms are quite large these days. The farm I worked for used to be three farms, and they kept expanding both land wise and product wise, so it isn't really surprising that they own a bus.

Fimofriend · 18/10/2026 19:45

Persephonia1966 · 15/10/2026 19:27

I would also question this
I also heard from a science professor at a British university that the majority of his team was foreign because most of the Brits with an education in science simply didn't know maths on a sufficiently high level.

Britains education results are actually pretty good compared to the rest of the world. The UK scores in the top ranks of the global Pisa ranking for maths (It's basically the UK, Estonia and all the rest are Asian countries in the top ten). At a higher education level the science training/research and the connections top universities have to businesses are usually cited by industry leaders as one of the things the UK has going for it for industry (countered by the high electricity costs, lack of space, Brexit etc). That doesn't mean that employers won't want to recruit from overseas as well because if you want someone who is the very best in a very specialist area you spread the net wide. The UK is also very attractive to very talented people from India/Asia. Partly because the pay is better. Partly because of the high regard its Universities are held in ironically. So UK graduates are competing against the very best of much more populous countries (who to be fair take maths very seriously and also do very well in the Pisa rankings). We have issues
But it is nonsense to suggest that science degrees from top UK universities are looked down on or providing substantially inferior graduates.

Noone is looking down on British education. There are just certain subjects that apparently don't interest that many British students and that is ok. People should study what interests them but it means that sometimes project leaders have to look abroad for someone with the skill set their research group needs.

Though, of course, this is much harder now because of Brexit and the large cost of moving a family to Britain.

GutsyBee · 18/10/2026 19:47

Didn't know mumsnet had Russian bots!

5MinuteArgument · 19/10/2026 09:03

I'm glad to hear Andy Burnham has acknowledged how disastrous it is for us as a country to have a million NEETS. He says it is an 'economic catastrophe and moral failure'. I think he gets it and the Milburn report is a good start.

Yes, it's always easier to import foreign workers and have British people on benefits. We have become addicted to cheap labour from abroad. But the government has to crack this nut. It will be difficult but our future as a country depends on it.

LakieLady · 19/10/2026 12:49

JenniferBooth · 18/10/2026 16:25

The farm had a bus Is that singular or plural Do all the farms do it?

I live in a small town in a rural area, surrounded by farms. I have never heard of any of them doing this.

However, pre-Brexit there were at least 3 farms that recruited people from EU countries, mostly in eastern Europe, to pick fruit and accommodated them in (mostly shitty) caravans on the farm.

JenniferBooth · 19/10/2026 17:41

LakieLady · 19/10/2026 12:49

I live in a small town in a rural area, surrounded by farms. I have never heard of any of them doing this.

However, pre-Brexit there were at least 3 farms that recruited people from EU countries, mostly in eastern Europe, to pick fruit and accommodated them in (mostly shitty) caravans on the farm.

Exactly That is the more common scenario And SH tenants cannot do it They would lose their tenancy

JenniferBooth · 19/10/2026 17:48

Fimofriend · 18/10/2026 15:46

As I wrote, the farm had a bus that could pick people up before work and take them home after work. The farm had also informed the job centre that they were willing to add more stops for the bus, in case people lived too far from the existing stops.

So no, it was not necessarily live in work. It was live in work for some of the foreigners, but most of us preferred to live in town just like the Brits. I worked in the office but some of the fruit pickers lived close to me in town. Mind you, they were all foreign.

I would also like to add that while the farm had more fruit pickers in the spring and the summer, there were a lot of fruit pickers/farm hands who worked all of the year. This was mainly due to the fact that most of the plants were in greenhouse tunnels, which extended the season for most of the fruit. For instance, when you grow strawberries outside, the season is six weeks long, but in a greenhouse or greenhouse tunnel, the strawberry season is six months long.

So no, actually not hypocrisy.

What i meant by hypocrisy was the SH angle People on here are up in arms if someone dares to live away from their main social home for any reason oh but except for back breaking work like fruit picking THEN they are all for SH tenants breaking their tenancy agreement and not living there. See also when something breaks "why cant you fix it yourself" despite the tenancy agreement saying they arent allowed to. A lot of people here are very happy for tenancy agreements to be broken.............when its to the tenants detriment Hope thats clear enough

JHound · 19/10/2026 17:52

OpenScroller · 14/10/2026 16:48

Four in five jobs created over the past decade have been taken by migrants.

Of the 3.7million new roles recorded under the PAYE system since 2014, just 734,000 were taken by UK nationals, a think-tank has found.

EU citizens accounted for 408,000 jobs, while the vast majority – 2.5million – went to migrants from the rest of the world, the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ) said, with most of the surge coming since the pandemic.

The think-tank warned that while employers gained 'unprecedented access to overseas labour', taxpayers have been forced to absorb the cost of millions of Britons being 'written off' and left on benefits.

As the number of migrant workers soared by 2.1million from 2020, the number of people receiving out-of-work benefits across the UK rose by 2.3million.

More than one in four (29 per cent) of the jobs that went to migrant workers from outside Europe were in health and social work.

So much for British jobs for British people!

Do we think this is due to Brits being 'too lazy to work' or because of a combination of employers wanting to pay lower wages and offer worse working conditions to migrants/preferring to employ migrants/not wanting to invest in training Brits/diversity hire tick boxes etc.

https://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/10/CSJ-State_of_Dependency.pdf

I do think this is an important discussion. I have no problem with people moving overseas. I have been a migrant several times over so undoubtedly took a job a migrant could do.

Also we need to know more about the jobs are doing. It does make sense to say over they are taking British jobs if they are doing jobs Brits are not qualified to do. But it does seem backwards to have an ever increasing welfare state, loads unable to find work and yet increase the numbers in the workforce.

But I guess this knocks on the head those who insist migrants don’t work.

JHound · 19/10/2026 17:55

OpenScroller · 14/10/2026 16:48

Four in five jobs created over the past decade have been taken by migrants.

Of the 3.7million new roles recorded under the PAYE system since 2014, just 734,000 were taken by UK nationals, a think-tank has found.

EU citizens accounted for 408,000 jobs, while the vast majority – 2.5million – went to migrants from the rest of the world, the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ) said, with most of the surge coming since the pandemic.

The think-tank warned that while employers gained 'unprecedented access to overseas labour', taxpayers have been forced to absorb the cost of millions of Britons being 'written off' and left on benefits.

As the number of migrant workers soared by 2.1million from 2020, the number of people receiving out-of-work benefits across the UK rose by 2.3million.

More than one in four (29 per cent) of the jobs that went to migrant workers from outside Europe were in health and social work.

So much for British jobs for British people!

Do we think this is due to Brits being 'too lazy to work' or because of a combination of employers wanting to pay lower wages and offer worse working conditions to migrants/preferring to employ migrants/not wanting to invest in training Brits/diversity hire tick boxes etc.

https://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/10/CSJ-State_of_Dependency.pdf

The comment about “diversity hire tick boxes” is grossly stupid though.

I also don’t get the argument about migrants necessarily accepting worse conditions / poor pay. My office has loads of foreigners all paid well and in comfortable conditions. I would not work there otherwise. Similarly when I was a migrant I was highly paid and never accepted poor work conditions.

JHound · 19/10/2026 17:57

OpenScroller · 14/10/2026 17:02

I should imagine a vast majority of those with families will be claiming top up benefits like housing benefit, universal credit, child benefit and also using services like the NHS, schools, etc while paying very little in.

We are also paying the same benefits to Brits who can't find a job.

You do the Math.

Why have you assumed they get universal credit and pay little in. They pay the same tax and NI as the rest of us.

EmailsaysOOO · 19/10/2026 18:02

Got to say, whenever we take on non- native bods they work bloody hard. Possibly far harder than we would have expected ( from a UK national). Goes for Portuguese, Lithuanian, Polish and French so far.

JHound · 19/10/2026 18:03

Timeforachange26 · 15/10/2026 16:25

Yet brits go over to Australia and pick fruit there

I never met a Brit who was in Australia to pick fruit as a specific desired role.

A period of Farm work is a requirement to get the second year of the Working Holiday Visa so many suck it up (and some horrendous conditions) to get the second year and hopefully get a proper sponsored role.

JHound · 19/10/2026 18:05

EmailsaysOOO · 19/10/2026 18:02

Got to say, whenever we take on non- native bods they work bloody hard. Possibly far harder than we would have expected ( from a UK national). Goes for Portuguese, Lithuanian, Polish and French so far.

My brother had a business and said Brexit and the choice of so many East Europeans to leave hit him hard. He had a valeting business and he said the Brits could never be bothered to turn up if they did not like the weather (it was cold) where his EE workers were professional and always turned up. Obviously this is not true for all but many employers just pick whoever is the best candidate.