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Islamophobia becoming normalised in the media

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nomas · Yesterday 16:42

Genuinely shocked by this headline on MSN.com today (UK site).

The title is

"Muslim convert explains why UK is 'best' as she boasts 'everything is free'"

No one seems to blink an eye at this blatant Islamophobia anymore.

Substitute Muslim for any other minority and people would be shocked for example:

  • "Jewish convert explains why UK is 'best' as she boasts 'everything is free'"
  • "Black person explains why UK is 'best' as she boasts 'everything is free'"
  • "Christian convert explains why UK is 'best' as she boasts 'everything is free'"

Muslim convert explains why UK is 'best' as she boasts 'everything is free'

Islamophobia becoming normalised in the media
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GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · Yesterday 17:38

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nomas · Yesterday 17:39

ACatNamedRobin · Yesterday 17:13

Well she's not wrong, Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities are the biggest net "takers" of benefits (net of taxes paid) in the UK.

Well that's a lie for a start.

  • white British families were the most likely to receive state support

State support - GOV.UK Ethnicity facts and figures

State support

In the 3 years to March 2021, white British families were the most likely to receive a type of state support.

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/benefits/state-support/latest/

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nomas · Yesterday 17:39

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The thread is about Islamophobia.

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nufe · Yesterday 17:40

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exactly

nufe · Yesterday 17:41

nomas · Yesterday 17:39

The thread is about Islamophobia.

you don’t get to dictate how people discuss a subject you’ve raised and draw the obvious comparisons with antisemitism.

Mumsntfan1 · Yesterday 17:44

nomas · Yesterday 17:39

Well that's a lie for a start.

  • white British families were the most likely to receive state support

State support - GOV.UK Ethnicity facts and figures

British people are most likely to get benefits in Britain. How shocking.

nufe · Yesterday 17:44

nomas · Yesterday 17:39

Well that's a lie for a start.

  • white British families were the most likely to receive state support

State support - GOV.UK Ethnicity facts and figures

white british families are the majority population, so
obviously this is going to be the case. She’s talking in terms of net population and a disproportionately high number from some groups. As you likely know.

Greenandpleasant1 · Yesterday 17:44

Perhaps part of the problem is people who identify as a religion before anything else. It's so unhealthy. I want to live in a secular society where my views about religion have no relevance because all religions are faith not truth. So probably a bit of islamophobia but kind of inevitable in a non islamic state.

nomas · Yesterday 17:46

nufe · Yesterday 17:41

you don’t get to dictate how people discuss a subject you’ve raised and draw the obvious comparisons with antisemitism.

If someone derailed a thread about anti-semitism or racism against black people, would you find that acceptable?

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LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 17:46

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Well we keep hearing antisemitism isn't a thing, so who knows.

nomas · Yesterday 17:47

nufe · Yesterday 17:44

white british families are the majority population, so
obviously this is going to be the case. She’s talking in terms of net population and a disproportionately high number from some groups. As you likely know.

So what your stats?

And how does this make it ok to make generalised comments implying Muslims wanting everything for free?

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Weeellokthen · Yesterday 17:47

nomas · Yesterday 17:00

An accurate and honest quote that Muslims want everything for free?

I want everything for free as well, i'm white. 😂

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nufe · Yesterday 17:48

nomas · Yesterday 17:46

If someone derailed a thread about anti-semitism or racism against black people, would you find that acceptable?

I don’t police free speech and never will.

nomas · Yesterday 17:48

Greenandpleasant1 · Yesterday 17:44

Perhaps part of the problem is people who identify as a religion before anything else. It's so unhealthy. I want to live in a secular society where my views about religion have no relevance because all religions are faith not truth. So probably a bit of islamophobia but kind of inevitable in a non islamic state.

Targeting a minority should never 'be kind of inevitable'.

This woman hasn't approached the press so why blame her for how she identifies?

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nomas · Yesterday 17:48

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Why?

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · Yesterday 17:51

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Yep, everyone hallucinated the attacks in Manchester, on London Bridge and the tube attacks in 2005. All 70 million of us.

You're trying, presumably, to be funny. You're not.

nufe · Yesterday 17:51

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · Yesterday 17:51

Yep, everyone hallucinated the attacks in Manchester, on London Bridge and the tube attacks in 2005. All 70 million of us.

You're trying, presumably, to be funny. You're not.

I’m assuming this is satire, but nothing surprises me anymore

ThatLoudCat · Yesterday 17:55

Why have Mumsnet not banned Debbie yet?

nufe · Yesterday 17:59

ThatLoudCat · Yesterday 17:55

Why have Mumsnet not banned Debbie yet?

it’s a good question!

Imdunfer · Yesterday 18:09

I believe that the use of the word "boast" in that context is definitely racist.

Laurmolonlabe · Yesterday 18:09

This is not a new journalistic meme- it has been trotted out for pretty much every immigrant group, and asylum seekers. It's very unlikely this is a real immigrant, or a real comment- if it were true, as an immigrant you would have to be very stupid indeed to draw attention to it- don't you think?

Coffeeeecups · Yesterday 18:34

Laurmolonlabe · Yesterday 18:09

This is not a new journalistic meme- it has been trotted out for pretty much every immigrant group, and asylum seekers. It's very unlikely this is a real immigrant, or a real comment- if it were true, as an immigrant you would have to be very stupid indeed to draw attention to it- don't you think?

I am still waiting for my free house I was supposed to get on arrival apparently as an EE arriving pre 2010 😕

Echobelly · Yesterday 18:48

Meadowfinch · Yesterday 16:54

If it's an accurate and honest quote, then some will find that a legitimate reason for concern.

Personally, I think the error is relying on either the Express or MSN for accurate unbiased news.

This is mostly immigration bigotry with the Islam angle made to make it look worse because, yes, the media is very Islamophobic.

Literally if you read the full quote from her, this is absolutely typical of this kind of manipulation: '"It's the best because I have my heart problem, I have my diabetes and everything is free"

The headline implies she's boasting about benefits, and what's actually the case is she is grateful to be getting free treatment - and I'm delighted she can get it

They frame it as though the woman is gloating at the UK for being suckers, and you see this trick a lot. Think of all those stories about single mums 'whinging her benefits aren't enough' and 'boasting how her kids get McDonald's treats' when actually the benefits will barely cover living costs and what she said about McDonald's was 'The only treat I can afford to get my kids is McDonald's now and then'.

You can guarantee the paper hasn't gone to get saying 'Please let us paint you as a greedy, whinger who stuffs her kids with junk food'. They'll come all sympathetic and go 'Oh we're doing a story about single mums, please tell us about how hard your life is'

Ditto with this woman, they will have led her to say things they can misquote or mis-contextualise to paint her as greedy and gloating when she likely is just very happy and grateful to be getting help.