To wonder why we continue to view the US as an ally?

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After Trump’s diesel decision, AIBU to wonder why we continue to view the US as an ally? They don’t like us, they don’t care about us, in their view, we’re irrelevant. Isn’t it time to wean ourselves off the US teet?

Lol what would you rather have the US as, an enemy? Like, be serious. Allies aren’t best friends who braid each other’s hair and agree on every policy, they’re countries with overlapping interests and honestly, good luck with “weaning off” the US. What exactly do you think the UK is going to do entirely on its own? Float off into the Atlantic and become a self-sufficient superpower through sheer vibes??

The Yanks have shit on us since WW1...which they won btw despite never having that many boots on the ground. Not the royal navy keeping the German fleet in port and stopping food.

Post ww2, and let's not talk about lease lend hay. They pumped money into Japan and Germany in a deliberate attempt to crush uk manufacturing. Confident that their home market was safe...look how that turned out for them.

They failed to support us over Suez...again doing themselves.

The Falklands they wanted to stop us using Ascension Island until we pointed put that it was British and we'd kick them.out.

But sadly its not the yanks who've done us but the push for net zero...theirs oil in the north Sea, off the Falklands and we've not drilled and closed refineries....

I agree and think it will be a close thing. I think many Americans feel they have no choice but for the rest of the world I do think it is going to be a turning point. If he is in again most of the West will have to act further on keeping the US in a separate sandbox. We have begun detangling but it is evident we need to do much more and much faster, so I suspect we have a plan or two for that eventuality post election.

I just watched a poltical and miltary analytics podcast - the take from US expert who been in bussiness of world poltics and trends for decades- is we are in the middle of a new cold war this time between ideology of regional powers vs world base rules order of laws and insitutions - and currently her country america has gone to the dark side and has moved to regional model.

She also think US is again playing half court tennis - they did this once before the great drepression - they are not considering the reponse to their actions. Hence why not considering how Iran would repond to attacks.

Trumps deal will have limited impact on US pump prices - and probably will not help US mid term elecion long term impacts are not being considered.

It is hyper-masculinity in action - no consequences considered just force. He will be starting another war on the Houthis completely oblivious to the fact he is what has emboldened and funded them with his war over Hormuz. He is upping frequency of crazy actions so it is harder to keep tabs on the links, but has always been his MO. It had to calm a bit for this part to make sure everyone is talking about him (and divide opinion in US) to give him more of a chance of winning his old ideologist target market back. Entrenched loyalties that men have rather than using their brain for free thinking and choice.

The us shares a lot of security data to us, we’d be fucked otherwise

I think it’s always been a pretty ambivalent one sided relationship but somehow we’re in denial of that. Kinda pathetic really….

When the US is ‘normal’ they actually are an ally, and we work really well with them, which is why we’re cautious of cutting all ties. I think it will depend entirely on who comes after Trump, if he’s an anomaly and the US goes back
to being reasonable, then great, but if it continues on this trajectory then we’ll have to have a re-think. The relationship is with the country though really rather than whoever is in the WH at the time.

We are part of wider networks and do our own research.

The five eyes network which included US have put resictions on what they now tell the US - so it's certainly not as one sided US doing all the work they hugely benefit from information exchange as well.

I heard similar said about US miltary involvement in Europe and then the rebuttal was well we have some of the rcihes countries in world in Eruopre and our own miltay companies how serious an argument is this.

The US does a lot of propoganda along lines of the world can't do without us and many of their citizens belive they are in best country in the world most free and assume they invented everything - they do not see or credit other countries contibutions.

I am not talking about today.

I am, talking over the next 100 years which is a very long time indeed.

Every generation born after traditionally had more knowledge, more wealth and more agency than the one before.

That’s changed. And with AI, and even less jobs, and the wealth gap widening and god knows what the future holds I don’t think it’s that wild an idea.

In the U.K. sure our country is not armed. In America it could happen tomorrow. But even in our country I think the powers that be forget that the armies are made up of normal people. It’s a very fine line which keeps them fighting for them as opposed their people.

So no we aren’t there yet. But if it carries on in this direction then honestly I can’t see something not happening over the next century.

Europe is no where near powerful enough to stand against the USA. No where near. And we have all cheerfully given this power to the US by not bothering to fund our own defense but relying on the US to do this for us.

And Brexit, don't forget. That helped Putin and Trump who are working together IMO.

This. But the political landscape could change if the Republicans lost (or Trumps supporters/acolytes run for cover) so Diplomacy will be maintained. Trump has set US Foreign relations back so may take years if ever to re establish these relationships.

The US cares about no one but the US. Just look at their history.

Not sure a lot of them care about the rest of them either!
They are constantly shooting each other and polluting and lowering standards - food being one example of state sanctioned poisoning over there.

Indeed.
They voted him in twice. Numerous convictions, talks like a child, behaves like a lunatic.
They could vote in someone even worse ina few years time.

Utter egocentric madman.

Daily Mail the best link when I googled.....

Trump floats renaming Atlantic or Pacific 'Trump Ocean' to huge cheers at MAGA rally | Daily Mail Online

As I was born in the US, I'm entitled to a vote but, for the second time in a row, I never received my overseas ballot. Fun times.

wow!!! Please tell me you dont have to oay your 1% or whatever it is to the IRS...

Because the bigger picture is that Trump won't be president forever and there is hope that future presidents will bring the country back to normality...

They Speak nearly the same language but they are not like us

krasnov is owned by Putin

The US is illustrative of the Trump regime. And vice-versa.

If Canada can't trust them, imagine being so arrogant to imagine that you could!

That worked out well in the 1940s

I’m not sure if we are currently viewing them as one. It’s more that we’re saying they’re one to try to get through this awful Trump era

Hopefully he’ll be curtailed when the new Congress is sworn in in January. And completely gone soon after.

I’m confident that a Democratic president will want to rebuild alliances asap.

At the point they charged Britain for help during WWII they ceased to be an ally really. Isn't it more a case of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer, now?