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To think that I might give my token to the hedgehogs?

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Autumnalbride · 02/10/2026 14:42

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Is it necessarily because people don't care? Or is there just less opportunity to support hedgehogs?

I have the foodbank app and when I do a big payday shop, I go through the app and put one of each of their must needed items in a bag, plus a treat like a packet of biscuits or something and maybe some baby food pouches, and then put it in the donation drop off thing on my way out. Costs me maybe £20-£30 a month.
But I don't get much opportunity to support hedgehogs and I really really love wildlife and I am concerned about hedgehogs declining.

So although this isn't where I live and I haven't had the choice, I can imagine looking at that with a token in my hand and thinking, hmm, I've literally just given to the foodbank, I could give this free token to the hedgehogs.

Is that bad?

To think that I might give my token to the hedgehogs?
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HowDoYouSolveAProblemLikeMyRear · 02/10/2026 18:50

Autumnalbride · 02/10/2026 16:47

My parents spent money on fags and booze when I was a kid. A lot of money in fact, out of the very little we had.
The salvation army used to give me toys and clothes. Did I not deserve them because my parents didn't give me anything?
Do kids not deserve to eat because they have shit parents?

I'm sorry your parents were like that.

As I said, we continue to donate to food banks (and Christmas gifts for children in similar positions to yours) and intend to continue.

The Christmas gifts trouble me less somehow. I think because they aren't essentials so it doesn't feel like they encourage dependency.

I assume that a good proportion of the feckless parents would cut down on alcohol/cigarettes rather than see their children starve. (Presumably the small number who wouldn't, would have their children taken away from them.) And if that's the case, then the free (paid for by others of course) for food they receive effectively funds their vices.

I guess as a society we have to work out where we draw the line. No one wants to find free riding or ballet lessons, or even fees for independent schools on behalf of parents who'd rather spend their money on a big house or luxury holidays. We agree that parents who don't bother to feed their baby or change its nappies will face prosecution and have their baby taken into care.

But where do we draw the line? Enough calories to survive, enough to grow, enough nutrients to be healthy, a good enough diet to be slim and fit, or an optimal diet?

Enough clothes to be covered and not freeze, or do they need to be clean on each day, or do they need to be the kind of clothes the child wants to wear?

I think I believe that it's parents who should provide for their child, with relatively rare exceptions. But then we donate money and food to the foodbank and clothes to the clothes bank and so on, so my actions aren't matching my rhetoric!

nomas · 02/10/2026 19:56

Autumnalbride · 02/10/2026 14:42

~ PLEASE SEE PIC FOR CONTEXT ~

Is it necessarily because people don't care? Or is there just less opportunity to support hedgehogs?

I have the foodbank app and when I do a big payday shop, I go through the app and put one of each of their must needed items in a bag, plus a treat like a packet of biscuits or something and maybe some baby food pouches, and then put it in the donation drop off thing on my way out. Costs me maybe £20-£30 a month.
But I don't get much opportunity to support hedgehogs and I really really love wildlife and I am concerned about hedgehogs declining.

So although this isn't where I live and I haven't had the choice, I can imagine looking at that with a token in my hand and thinking, hmm, I've literally just given to the foodbank, I could give this free token to the hedgehogs.

Is that bad?

I think you're right. There is a foodbank crate I can put pasta and UHT milk into, there isn't a Hedgehog crate I can put hedgehog food into. And hedgehogs don't visit me, I have brick walls sadly.

Sunbringer · 02/10/2026 21:20

Autumnalbride · 02/10/2026 14:49

Well, because of the reasons Gary is stating in the image

To elaborate, he thinks that poor and needy humans should come first over hedgehogs and seems to be suggesting there's a lack of humanity to not helping families who are starving and giving a token to hedgehogs instead.

If a poor and needy human was genuinely starving they could walk into any church or synagogue or mosque and someone would feed them.

But the hedgehogs can’t stop their own extinction.

Autumnalbride · 04/10/2026 17:52

Sunbringer · 02/10/2026 21:20

If a poor and needy human was genuinely starving they could walk into any church or synagogue or mosque and someone would feed them.

But the hedgehogs can’t stop their own extinction.

Sadly, I'm not sure that's true about churches. There are videos on YouTube where women have called churches to ask if they can help her with baby formula, claiming her baby hasn't eaten since the day before, sometimes even using a recording of a crying baby in the background. It's been done as an experiment in the UK, US and Australia. Out of a huge list of churches, I think only one of the UK churches offered to help. One even laughed at her, it was awful to hear. The mosques were much better. I don't think synagogues were tested.

Edit: I just went to YouTube and checked. Over 30 churches would not help. Some laughed, some hung up on her.

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