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Masked men at Dover - KKK vibes

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MumofCandR · Yesterday 11:53

They are utter cowards and hypocritical. The same ilk will state they're against the burkha and protests by environmental groups etc. but are happy to mask their faces in 'protest' the reality is they're just nasty specimens of humanity, full of people with self righteous white supremacy tendencies. AIBU.

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HRTQueen · Today 17:11

EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 17:04

It’s sadly not unknown. The men and people around them know well that any woman travelling without ten armed men will be raped on the journey, beaten and possibly tossed over board.

The heartbreaking case in Italy. The daughter was raped on the crossing, I think she died? I remember her DM who watched died of a heart attack when she reached the shore.
I would be happy to see a dinghy full of women from Afghanistan, not that it would ever happen.

Its utterly horrific

Woman and children are just stuck because of male violence

SALaw · Today 17:14

DestituteDesperate · Today 16:24

Clutching my pearls…

You think it’s pearl clutching to not want the normalising of people in balaclavas walking our streets?!

DestituteDesperate · Today 17:21

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LuckyHazelFox · Today 17:23

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300 men versus hundreds of thousands of intimidating men and women, every Saturday and not a peep.

SALaw · Today 17:24

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I don’t actually understand what point you are trying to make?!

Switchnow · Today 17:25

WinterGold · Today 17:05

There are 53 Muslim countries in the world with similar cultures and customs, many of which are actually far closer to their point of origin than the furtherest reaches of Europe.

Why would anyone risk their lives to make that risky journey, and pay around £2000 for the privilege when there are other alternatives?
What is the incentive?

I wouldnt assume all had similar cultures or customs. Do you think Britain has more in common with nearby Denmark or far away Australia? Many would say Australia.

Switchnow · Today 17:28

EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 17:04

It’s sadly not unknown. The men and people around them know well that any woman travelling without ten armed men will be raped on the journey, beaten and possibly tossed over board.

The heartbreaking case in Italy. The daughter was raped on the crossing, I think she died? I remember her DM who watched died of a heart attack when she reached the shore.
I would be happy to see a dinghy full of women from Afghanistan, not that it would ever happen.

It’s dangerous for women for sure but it’s not true to say ‘any woman will be raped’. And if you do support the safety of Afghan women, why not support safe routes for them?

Daysgo · Today 17:30

Unbelievable how many people ignore the issue of illegal and legal immigration and effect on housing, on crime, on NHS resources .. It's like living in a parallel universe where some people will refuse to see the effects of immigration lest they be called racist. We are living in the world of Idiocracy.

EasternStandard · Today 17:35

Switchnow · Today 17:25

I wouldnt assume all had similar cultures or customs. Do you think Britain has more in common with nearby Denmark or far away Australia? Many would say Australia.

Which country are you thinking of in that 53 is more similar to the U.K. than its neighbour/s?

EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 17:37

Switchnow · Today 17:28

It’s dangerous for women for sure but it’s not true to say ‘any woman will be raped’. And if you do support the safety of Afghan women, why not support safe routes for them?

It’s dangerous for women for sure but it’s not true to say ‘any woman will be raped

😳 seriously.

They are arresting men in Ceuta for sexual assaulting the females stranded alongside them. Or will you say, not all the women, some females weren’t raped, only a lot of them.

And if you do support the safety of Afghan women, why not support safe routes for them?

Who said that I wouldn’t support safe routes for women from Afghanistan. if such think existed.
I will send the memo to the Taliban.

Twisting again.

Switchnow · Today 17:47

EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 17:37

It’s dangerous for women for sure but it’s not true to say ‘any woman will be raped

😳 seriously.

They are arresting men in Ceuta for sexual assaulting the females stranded alongside them. Or will you say, not all the women, some females weren’t raped, only a lot of them.

And if you do support the safety of Afghan women, why not support safe routes for them?

Who said that I wouldn’t support safe routes for women from Afghanistan. if such think existed.
I will send the memo to the Taliban.

Twisting again.

Women arrive on small boats. Thankfully not all have been raped by fellow travellers. Sexual harassment and assault by traffickers is common.

Great that again we agree safe and legal routes is something the UK should explore for women in countries where they are oppressed.

WinterGold · Today 17:59

@Switchnow We definitely share language and history with Australia, but the strong push to rejoin the EU proves that proximity, shared European values, and intertwined daily lives create a bond and share a similarity to counties, such as Denmark, are hard to ignore.

Politically and economically, our standards, consumer protections, labour laws, and environmental policies have always mirrored the more European models.

EasternStandard · Today 18:10

Switchnow · Today 17:47

Women arrive on small boats. Thankfully not all have been raped by fellow travellers. Sexual harassment and assault by traffickers is common.

Great that again we agree safe and legal routes is something the UK should explore for women in countries where they are oppressed.

You’d need to drop out of international laws to do this.

TalkToTheHand123 · Today 18:28

How many would people agree to accept?

SomeoneIsWrongOnTheInternet · Today 18:29

HRTQueen · Today 17:11

Its utterly horrific

Woman and children are just stuck because of male violence

Yeah, but these are the men we are forced to accept in our country en masse because ‘immigrants contribute to the economy’ and other such lies. Why should we?

The governments of all persuasions have been gaslighting us for years and this is the natural result. ‘Intimidating and thuggish behaviour willl not be tolerated’??? I’m not about to go out and beat up fellow citizens working as police personally, but what about the intimidation and occasionally thuggish behaviour from the governments for 40 years that have pushed mass immigration on us, as well as a destroyed economy? As a pp pointed out a couple of pages ago, anyone working in education or the public services has effectively lost any right to protest over anything, and everyone’s lost any right to protest if it’s done in any way effectively, ie causes disruption. Unless they’re rich farmers of course.

They’ve never listened to the anger. They’ve never cared. We have trouble starting now.

Switchnow · Today 18:31

WinterGold · Today 17:59

@Switchnow We definitely share language and history with Australia, but the strong push to rejoin the EU proves that proximity, shared European values, and intertwined daily lives create a bond and share a similarity to counties, such as Denmark, are hard to ignore.

Politically and economically, our standards, consumer protections, labour laws, and environmental policies have always mirrored the more European models.

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I agree with you, but I think many others would not. Hence Brexit, and the continuation of the US alliance, and the Commonwealth.

My point is there are many components to affinity and it doesn’t surprise me at all that people want to come to Europe rather than other Muslim countries, many of which experience the same difficulties, iniquities, climate issues or poverty that they’ve come from. And that’s even before you get to apostasy, sectarianism, and all that.

Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · Today 18:49

calling bullshit on this claim that there are "cheaper, safer options". Thanks to the changes brought in by successive Govts over the past decade or two, there are no longer the options that used to exist.

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