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£610 a week pension demand is insane

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Thisismyfinesthour · 12/08/2026 12:33

Just read that there is an online petition doing the rounds for a £610 a WEEK pension demand to the government.
WTAF? Is the heat melting some peoples brains? It seems over 5000 have signed it.
Where do they think the money is coming from?

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NullaEffugium · 12/08/2026 15:49

More on housing
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/generation-x-forgotten-keeping-country-running/

“Now aged between 45 and 60, they were too young to benefit from lucrative final salary pensions, but too old for auto-enrolment to make much of a difference. Their best years were blighted by financial crises, just as house prices soared out of reach.”

“The 2008 financial crisis hit Gen X right around the time they were turning 30, souring dreams of homeownership for many. Housing affordability, defined as the ratio between house prices to annual earnings, had been rising throughout the decade, but plummeted as the world went into recession and borrowing became more difficult.”

Jobs- “When Evans left school in the 1980s, the future looked uncertain. All around him in South Yorkshire, steel mines and factories were closing. Opportunities were scarce.”

“It was devastating,” Evans says. “I drifted between low-paid jobs. I recovered pool tables and even did a stint in an abattoir. You had to take the work because there was no work.”
Even now, Evans would struggle to describe his work history as resembling a career. He was born too early to be swept into university by Sir Tony Blair’s pledge to make half of young people graduates. “To be honest, I feel like I missed out,” he says.
The working lives of many Gen Xers, whether or not they were university educated, were devastated by financial crashes, the collapse of the dot-com bubble, and in Evans’s case, deindustrialisation.”

“Official figures show that by the middle of their working lives, Gen X begin to stagnate financially. Over the 10 years following graduation, their average disposable income grew by 72.6pc, but over the next decade, taking them to middle-age, this figure plummeted to 5.5pc.
Even millennials are faring better in this regard. It is yet to be seen how theirs and Generation Z’s earnings will perform later in life, but income growth for late-career Gen Xers is a mere 9.6pc, compared to 35.8pc for boomers and 57.5pc for those born in the 1940s.”

Londonnight · 12/08/2026 15:51

I'm a pensioner and I live in a small HA flat paying rent. I struggle each month to get by. I am not entitled to pension credit due to my pension being £3 over the threshold.

Obviously there are some wealthy pensioners, but not everyone is. I get fed up with the pensioner basing we get on MN. Just remember at some point you will become a pensioner and see then what the younger ones despise you for because they will be something.

PuzzledObserver · 12/08/2026 15:58

Everanewbie · 12/08/2026 13:52

Pensioners are the wealthiest demographic. That is not "right wing shit" it is indisputable and is backed by government statistics. Many pensioners do live in poverty, that much is true, but that is also true of children, young people, middle aged and so on.

The SP pays £12,547 p.a. and is currently triple locked on annual increases to either 2.5%, CPI or AEI, which ever is higher, i.e. the best of all worlds, pensioners are guaranteed to get the best deal each year. Free prescriptions, free bus travel etc are nice little perks too. I think that is a pretty decent deal.

For info: prescriptions become free at the age of 60, not SP age. Senior railcard also available at 60 (though you pay for it, and it’s 1/3 off, not free travel) and many cinemas etc have an over 60 rate.

Bus pass, however, is strictly from SP age.

HelenHywater · 12/08/2026 16:02

Everanewbie · 12/08/2026 14:24

The median wealth for over 65s is £500k. £500k plus various sources of guaranteed lifetime income is pretty wealthy in my book.

No, I don't strive for equality. I believe hard work, risk taking and ingenuity should be rewarded,

ok so if you're born with a disability, or you're caring for someone with a disability, or your husband fucks off and leaves you with debt, or you have children, then you're fucked because you don't see that as worthy of being rewarded? Or if you're a nurse, postman, teaching assistant, care worker, then you're fucked because their hard work isn't worthy of being rewarded?

Inequality is fine as long as hard work is rewarded? Blimey.

Lifeomars · 12/08/2026 16:02

DefiantRabbit9 · 12/08/2026 14:19

Not gonna lie when I saw pensioners get paid more than my maternity allowance and knowing full well I don't get my pension until I'm 70 (if at all). That was the beginning of my villain arc. Fuck them.

But i am guessing you went back to work after your maternity leave ended? I got my pension after 50 years of work, too old and knackered to work now .

When I had my child I was sacked because back in those days they could get rid of you if you were pregnant, There was no maternity pay. All I got was a maternity grant. Women of my generation fought for the rights you have today, things still have a long way to go but every generation has struggles.

Lugol · 12/08/2026 16:05

This thread just drips with nastiness and jealousy.

It seems it's fine to slag off pensioners (who are all apparently millionaires, hoarding away their cash like Scrooge McDuck) but if anyone mentions the millions of working age people sat on their arses coining in the benefits all their lives everyone loses their minds. 🙄

One day you will be a pensioner and depending on the hand you were dealt in life dependent on the state and you will want a decent pension too.

Itchthescratch · 12/08/2026 16:26

I hate on threads like this that people always say that we can't be in favour of limiting benefits for specific groups because we might be in that group one day. Well no shit Sherlock! Especially with pensioners. Most of us will be pensioners one day and yet we still think we need to limit the benefits they receive. Not because we hate pensioners or are terribly ageist. Statistically most of us will have elderly loved ones amongst our friends and family that we deeply care about. It's about using a scarce resource, public money, in a sensible and sustainable way. We are now in a position where realistically we are robbing Peter to fund Paul. Peter is likely to be part of a vulnerable and struggling group too.

The idea that we can tax our way to ever increasing benefits simply doesn't stand up to under any kind of scrutiny. It's clear that this level of pension for an aging population that is living for longer than ever in poorer health than ever is just pie in the sky.

PeterRabbitsWhiskers · 12/08/2026 16:29

NullaEffugium · 12/08/2026 14:59

Also don’t forget that many DID pay into pensions but

  • if the pension company went bankrupt, you lost all your money and that’s happened to quite a few. The laws protecting pensions and paying out at least a minimum% did not exist
  • Gordon Brown did a pension raid in 1997 that cost £5bn annually forcing companies to reduce the account balances or benefits they’d promised their employees.

So a 60yr old today would have been working since 1980-82 (14 was school leaving age) and after working 17 yrs would have had to see their nest egg massively reduced. Then dot,com bust in 2001 and the echo in 2004 would have meant many were saving money as fast as the balances lost money, followed by the big crash in 2008 when this 60yr old was now over 40. Having such knock backs during the key working years where you start a nest egg means many of those approaching pension age are not at all financially prepared.

This is why record numbers of over 55s are in work. Those that still have their health are planning to work past state pension age as they can’t afford to not work.

School leaving age was not 14 in 1980. It has been 16 since 1959 and was 15 from 1944. So today's 60 year olds, born in 1966 would still have been in education until 1982. After that, it means all your numbers are off.
60 year olds now would have been early 30s in 1997. That is nearly 30 years ago. Which is early enough in their careers to redress the balance, if they were ever lucky enough to have a defined benefit pension scheme in the first place.

Boomer55 · 12/08/2026 16:31

All sorts of people start petitions (that usually do no good anyway). Unless the response is overwhelming, and this one isn’t, everyone ignores them. 🤷‍♀️

ElectricLegs · 12/08/2026 16:37

Divide and Rule working well again on MN. Fighting amongst ourselves rather than watching the real crooks in society.

BCBird · 12/08/2026 16:40

I know plenty of pensioners who are not wealthy. These people have worked, in undervalued jobs, e.g. in care and are struggling in retirement. If people have fantastic private pensions then good on them going away etc.

Crikeyalmighty · 12/08/2026 16:42

My own view is the country desparately needs to integrate tax and NI as much of Europe does and then give everyone a£16k tax free allowance . This would take many poorer pensioners with measly savings and tiny pensions out of tax altogether but would put many wealthy pensioners into actually paying towards health care which at the moment so many are paying zilch towards - including all those early retirees drawing down on private pensions and savings and inheritances and paying no Ni at all simply because they aren’t working and pretty low rates of tax too unless on higher rate ( most aren’t) -

BIossomtoes · 12/08/2026 16:46

Crikeyalmighty · 12/08/2026 16:42

My own view is the country desparately needs to integrate tax and NI as much of Europe does and then give everyone a£16k tax free allowance . This would take many poorer pensioners with measly savings and tiny pensions out of tax altogether but would put many wealthy pensioners into actually paying towards health care which at the moment so many are paying zilch towards - including all those early retirees drawing down on private pensions and savings and inheritances and paying no Ni at all simply because they aren’t working and pretty low rates of tax too unless on higher rate ( most aren’t) -

A million are.

Differentforgirls · 12/08/2026 16:52

DefiantRabbit9 · 12/08/2026 14:19

Not gonna lie when I saw pensioners get paid more than my maternity allowance and knowing full well I don't get my pension until I'm 70 (if at all). That was the beginning of my villain arc. Fuck them.

Lovely…

LakieLady · 12/08/2026 16:52

Unphased · 12/08/2026 13:25

You do realise that the average income for a single pensioner is £14,500? How are they wealthy?

Is that before or after tax?

Thisismyfinesthour · 12/08/2026 16:55

BigAnne · 12/08/2026 14:16

You only get pension credit if you haven't contributed enough NI to qualify for the full state pension.

This is incorrect, it's a means tested top up if on low income. My mum had it and she wasn't able to work for a number of years due to ill health and mobility problems. she didn't qualify for DLA but she had pension credit due to meagre savings about £500 at the time of applying.

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Thisismyfinesthour · 12/08/2026 16:59

Never mind all the bitch element will be among the oldies one day and then their grown up kids will bitch about thow much their parents are paid while they are expecting an inheritance.....

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Pssedoffathis · 12/08/2026 17:04

Well yes that would be nice. It would also be nice to have free water, free transport, a 60k national living wage, free uniforms grants and free sanitary products. Amongst other things. People can dream.

Differentforgirls · 12/08/2026 17:04

PuzzledObserver · 12/08/2026 15:58

For info: prescriptions become free at the age of 60, not SP age. Senior railcard also available at 60 (though you pay for it, and it’s 1/3 off, not free travel) and many cinemas etc have an over 60 rate.

Bus pass, however, is strictly from SP age.

Is this in England?

FFSItsTooHot · 12/08/2026 17:05

Bloody hell. While I agree the state pension should be more generous,I think expecting and demanding £610 is over the top!

PrincessFiorimonde · 12/08/2026 17:06

BigAnne · 12/08/2026 14:16

You only get pension credit if you haven't contributed enough NI to qualify for the full state pension.

@BigAnne Not entirely true. Eg you'll get pension credit if you have expenses such as rent, even if you have always paid NI and tax out of a low income

lazyarse123 · 12/08/2026 17:07

arethereanyleftatall · 12/08/2026 12:37

Whilst I’m not saying they don’t exist, this is something I only know from the media as I do not currently know a single poor pensioner. They all seem to living the exact life they want as far as I can tell. And I know the whole range id say from my grandma on benefits through to my friend who lives in a 3 million house and goes on holiday whenever she fancies.

I can assure you they do exist. We are managing but only because there are two of us, when one of us passes the other one will be up shit creek.

PuzzledObserver · 12/08/2026 17:08

Differentforgirls · 12/08/2026 17:04

Is this in England?

Yes. More specifically, Devon - the bus pass is administered by local government, and I think rules differ by area. The free prescriptions are national (all of England), though.

Differentforgirls · 12/08/2026 17:09

Pssedoffathis · 12/08/2026 17:04

Well yes that would be nice. It would also be nice to have free water, free transport, a 60k national living wage, free uniforms grants and free sanitary products. Amongst other things. People can dream.

Most of that is available in Scotland.

Differentforgirls · 12/08/2026 17:10

PuzzledObserver · 12/08/2026 17:08

Yes. More specifically, Devon - the bus pass is administered by local government, and I think rules differ by area. The free prescriptions are national (all of England), though.

Everyone gets free prescriptions in Scotland and we get free travel under 22 and 60 and above.

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