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£610 a week pension demand is insane

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Thisismyfinesthour · 12/08/2026 12:33

Just read that there is an online petition doing the rounds for a £610 a WEEK pension demand to the government.
WTAF? Is the heat melting some peoples brains? It seems over 5000 have signed it.
Where do they think the money is coming from?

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Differentforgirls · 18/08/2026 13:40

BigAnne · 18/08/2026 13:37

What should be looked at is attendance allowance being non means tested. Its crazy that a very wealthy pensioner can be eligible for this benefit.

It's the same as DLA and PIP though.

BIossomtoes · 18/08/2026 13:45

Differentforgirls · 18/08/2026 13:40

It's the same as DLA and PIP though.

The amounts are less. And the cost of care is already means tested, you pay for it if you have more than £23.5k in savings. This really is a race to the bottom.

Differentforgirls · 18/08/2026 13:47

BIossomtoes · 18/08/2026 13:45

The amounts are less. And the cost of care is already means tested, you pay for it if you have more than £23.5k in savings. This really is a race to the bottom.

It's free up here. The personal care.

NotNowBernardNotEver · 18/08/2026 14:00

BIossomtoes · 18/08/2026 13:10

Take that up with Governments that spend 50% of total tax revenue raised on 15% of the population

Since pensions are 11.8 of government spending and the entire health budget is 20.9%, that is extremely dubious.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-public-spending-was-calculated-in-your-tax-summary/how-public-spending-was-calculated-in-your-tax-summary

The £30k Miras was never adjusted for inflation, it remained the same.

Nope. Once you add in all of the other benefits they receive (housing benefit for those renting, pension credit, attendance allowance, TV licence and council tax exemptions, free prescriptions and free travel passes etc) and their share of NHS spending (a higely disproportionate share of the total NHS budget compared to the proportion of the population), social care spending (again the bast majority spent on the elderly, obviously) and their equal share of the cost per head of population for all other services for everyone (transport, defence, infrastructure etc) their total share of public spending is over 50%.

BIossomtoes · 18/08/2026 14:03

NotNowBernardNotEver · 18/08/2026 14:00

Nope. Once you add in all of the other benefits they receive (housing benefit for those renting, pension credit, attendance allowance, TV licence and council tax exemptions, free prescriptions and free travel passes etc) and their share of NHS spending (a higely disproportionate share of the total NHS budget compared to the proportion of the population), social care spending (again the bast majority spent on the elderly, obviously) and their equal share of the cost per head of population for all other services for everyone (transport, defence, infrastructure etc) their total share of public spending is over 50%.

I don’t suppose there’s any evidence of that? Frankly, it’s not credible.

Differentforgirls · 18/08/2026 14:06

BIossomtoes · 18/08/2026 14:03

I don’t suppose there’s any evidence of that? Frankly, it’s not credible.

Remember we were all born as pensioners...

Differentforgirls · 18/08/2026 14:14

NotNowBernardNotEver · 18/08/2026 14:00

Nope. Once you add in all of the other benefits they receive (housing benefit for those renting, pension credit, attendance allowance, TV licence and council tax exemptions, free prescriptions and free travel passes etc) and their share of NHS spending (a higely disproportionate share of the total NHS budget compared to the proportion of the population), social care spending (again the bast majority spent on the elderly, obviously) and their equal share of the cost per head of population for all other services for everyone (transport, defence, infrastructure etc) their total share of public spending is over 50%.

Housing benefit, don't get it.
Pension credit, ditto.
AA, ditto.
Tv licence, ditto.
Council tax, ditto.
Free prescriptions, universal in Scotland.
Free travel, all under 22 and over 60 get it in Scotland. I haven't applied.
NHS, last appointment was 2023.
Social care, don't use it.👍

NotNowBernardNotEver · 18/08/2026 14:16

BigAnne · 18/08/2026 13:37

What should be looked at is attendance allowance being non means tested. Its crazy that a very wealthy pensioner can be eligible for this benefit.

I disagree with that. Disability is expensive. All decent societies provide (usually far higher) support to the disabled and the disability benefits for all age cohorts in the UK meet a fraction of the actual cost to them of being disabled on average (less than half). The whole purpose of such benefits is to try to move things slightly towards equalising things between the disabled and non-disabled to enable them to participate in society by working, volunteering or even to be able to leave the house regularly. Robust studies show that reducing/ means-testing this would cost far more for two reasons: 1) those who have no need of the money financially generally don’t claim it anyway because it is a humiliating and invasive process, so means-testing would cost far more in administrative costs than not doing so; and 2) if you discourage disabled people from accessing this funding they need to participate in society you create various other downline costs (some of which are applicable primarily to pensioners or those of working age and some to both) which are higher (e.g. higher health costs, higher justice costs, higher state-funded housing costs, a reduction in overall tax revenue which exceeds the financial support, higher social care costs, etc).

In short, aside from the moral issue, economically cutting disability benefits for any age cohort is a false economy, and means-testing them even more so as that results in the highest reduction in tax revenue and smallest saving on benefits paid for the highest additional administration cost.

In effect we’d be transferring money from disabled people to tens of thousands of new civil servants to manage the process, while increasing the pressure and costs on other services and lowering tax revenue overall at the same time (the latter in the case of those of working age and the reduction in economic participation that would result from cuts in PIP or DLA for children, and the former two would be effects of cuts to financial support for all age groups of disabled including pensioners claiming attendance allowance). Not a great plan. The very definition of a false economy in fact if we look at it rationally rather than through various people’s ideologies (hence all Governments of developed countries of any political persuasion providing such financial support for the disabled and usually more generous than that on the UK: it makes economic sense, they don’t do it from some sense of altuism). It a demonstration of the siloed thinking in our UK Governments that nobody does a detailed overall impact assessment of the long-term costs on other departments and in future years before suggesting such short-term savings in one particular area when there is data from all over the world that this would increase, not decrease, the pressure on the public finances.

A far more sensible plan would be to means-test the state pension. As the highest welfare expense the administrative cost of means-testing would be a pittance in comparison to the money saved by stopping the unnecessary handouts to those who can support themselves perfectly comfortably without it. And unlike attendance allowance people seem to feel no shame in claiming this welfare when they don’t require it, so almost 100% do claim it even when they have no need of it. The state pension is 50% of the welfare expense on its own. Many tens of billions per year could be saved by means-testing it without leaving a single pensioner household with an income below the average UK household income after tax. It is the one and only area of welfare which includes enormous wasteful spending that is completely unaffordable, and if the richer pensioners who can support themselves perfectly well without it continue to claim it anyway en masse then it is simply a matter of time before this step will be taken, no matter how much they kick and scream about it (as they certainly will, as we can see from the level of entitlement on this thread and endless claims that they have “paid for” these handouts when it is an established fact that as a cohort they have done nothing close to doing so).

NotNowBernardNotEver · 18/08/2026 14:26

Differentforgirls · 18/08/2026 14:14

Housing benefit, don't get it.
Pension credit, ditto.
AA, ditto.
Tv licence, ditto.
Council tax, ditto.
Free prescriptions, universal in Scotland.
Free travel, all under 22 and over 60 get it in Scotland. I haven't applied.
NHS, last appointment was 2023.
Social care, don't use it.👍

That’s because you have a household income of £62k, as you told us. Those comments were regarding the 13% of pensioners who have no assets or private pension, refuting the false claims that they “have to survive on state pension alone”.

NotNowBernardNotEver · 18/08/2026 14:27

BIossomtoes · 18/08/2026 14:03

I don’t suppose there’s any evidence of that? Frankly, it’s not credible.

Ok. I guess the IFS, ONS, Government’s own accounts, analyses by various economic institutions and academics etc are all wrong then, because “Blossomtoes” said so. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Differentforgirls · 18/08/2026 14:29

NotNowBernardNotEver · 18/08/2026 14:26

That’s because you have a household income of £62k, as you told us. Those comments were regarding the 13% of pensioners who have no assets or private pension, refuting the false claims that they “have to survive on state pension alone”.

No I don't.

Differentforgirls · 18/08/2026 14:31

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BIossomtoes · 18/08/2026 14:34

NotNowBernardNotEver · 18/08/2026 14:27

Ok. I guess the IFS, ONS, Government’s own accounts, analyses by various economic institutions and academics etc are all wrong then, because “Blossomtoes” said so. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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I guess you’ll be able to evidence it. My findings are that 55% of welfare and social care expenditure goes on over 65s, along with 40% of healthcare. I can see how you might be confused.

NotNowBernardNotEver · 18/08/2026 14:34

NotNowBernardNotEver · 18/08/2026 14:26

That’s because you have a household income of £62k, as you told us. Those comments were regarding the 13% of pensioners who have no assets or private pension, refuting the false claims that they “have to survive on state pension alone”.

I mean, do you genuinely not understand the difference between a cohort analysis, assessing the wealth and income of people according to age (in this case. We also do them based on occupation or sex or other factors…) and what you personally happen to have paid/ received/ done? Do you think that public policy should be shaped based on your personal experience or based on nationwide data?

NotNowBernardNotEver · 18/08/2026 14:35

BIossomtoes · 18/08/2026 14:34

I guess you’ll be able to evidence it. My findings are that 55% of welfare and social care expenditure goes on over 65s, along with 40% of healthcare. I can see how you might be confused.

Jesus Christ. I’ve even told you where to look now, and if you still can’t be bothered then that’s entirely on you.

BIossomtoes · 18/08/2026 14:37

NotNowBernardNotEver · 18/08/2026 14:35

Jesus Christ. I’ve even told you where to look now, and if you still can’t be bothered then that’s entirely on you.

I have looked. And told you what I found. 🤷‍♀️

NotNowBernardNotEver · 18/08/2026 14:38

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How ironic given you either didn’t understand the comment you responded to, or chose to pretend that you didn’t. 🙄😆

I don’t think anybody reading through this will be fooled by your attempts to project your behaviour onto me.

Do you have any facts of validated statistics to back up your position, or any to refute the ones I have provided? Or will you just continue posting unwarranted personal attacks because you don’t like what the numbers show to be the case?

BIossomtoes · 18/08/2026 14:40

NotNowBernardNotEver · 18/08/2026 14:38

How ironic given you either didn’t understand the comment you responded to, or chose to pretend that you didn’t. 🙄😆

I don’t think anybody reading through this will be fooled by your attempts to project your behaviour onto me.

Do you have any facts of validated statistics to back up your position, or any to refute the ones I have provided? Or will you just continue posting unwarranted personal attacks because you don’t like what the numbers show to be the case?

You haven’t provided any validated statistics at all. You’ve admitted it’s “on principle”. And the irony of personal attacks, you’re the one who’s getting posts deleted.

NotNowBernardNotEver · 18/08/2026 14:40

BIossomtoes · 18/08/2026 14:37

I have looked. And told you what I found. 🤷‍♀️

What you “found” didn’t refute a single statistic or number that I have provided, which you claimed are false. Nor did it provide any support for your own conjectures.

BIossomtoes · 18/08/2026 14:42

NotNowBernardNotEver · 18/08/2026 14:40

What you “found” didn’t refute a single statistic or number that I have provided, which you claimed are false. Nor did it provide any support for your own conjectures.

It did. You maintained 50% of healthcare is for over 65s. It isn’t.

Differentforgirls · 18/08/2026 14:43

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IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 18/08/2026 14:57

BIossomtoes · 18/08/2026 14:03

I don’t suppose there’s any evidence of that? Frankly, it’s not credible.

You cannot be serious.

BIossomtoes · 18/08/2026 15:04

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 18/08/2026 14:57

You cannot be serious.

Deadly.

Timeforachange26 · 18/08/2026 15:23

Differentforgirls · 18/08/2026 14:14

Housing benefit, don't get it.
Pension credit, ditto.
AA, ditto.
Tv licence, ditto.
Council tax, ditto.
Free prescriptions, universal in Scotland.
Free travel, all under 22 and over 60 get it in Scotland. I haven't applied.
NHS, last appointment was 2023.
Social care, don't use it.👍

That's you. I know of an 83 year old lady ( known her 40 plus years). She worked part time as a cleaner for 8 years after her kids grew up. Lives in a council flat on full HB and council tax paid for, gets pension credit, in london so free travel since 60. I don't know about TV licences

Hospital and doctor appointments on a regular basis. She's had something " wrong'" that she's using healthcare regularly since her 50s And of course free prescriptions ( which she tends to stockpile " just in case"

So what you don't take advantage of she definitely does. I should imagine she's taken out many times more than contributed

anyolddinosaur · 18/08/2026 15:25

Interesting that everyone quotes the new state pension. Two thirds of existing pensioners dont receive it. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10139/ The old state pension basic rate is £184.90 a week according to age uk or £9614.80 a year. I wonder why commentators are so keen to quote figures that are higher than most people receive? Could they possibly have an agenda here?

Those people taking masses of holidays each year - they are families with children. https://www.abta.com/sites/default/files/media/document/uploads/Holiday%20Habits_2025_26_FINAL.pdf

Aged under 5 (Families): Average 6.49 holidays per year, driven by tight school schedules and multi-generational family trips.
Aged 25–34: Average 6.43 holidays per year, making young adults some of the most prolific leisure travelers.
Aged 18–24: Average 5.33 holidays per year, often favoring a mix of budget trips and adventure travel.
Aged 35–44: High participation rate (around 92% took a trip in the past year), balancing domestic staycations and overseas trips.
Aged 65 and over: Lowest overall frequency of trips, though roughly 77% still take at least one domestic or international holiday per year.

Pensioner poverty is rising and it's mainly women suffering. uk.news.yahoo.com/pension-time-bomb-hitting-millions-230500353.html

https://www.abta.com/sites/default/files/media/document/uploads/Holiday%20Habits_2025_26_FINAL.pdf

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