Furious at ds work dismissal

[OneGreyBiscuit]

This is more has my 19 year old ds employers been unreasonable. He's just been sacked for being unreliable. For context - he accepted a new job about a month ago. He informed them of where he lives which is about a forty minute train journey away. He is a few minutes late everyday because of the trains and they said they were ok with it. He's just come off holiday (which he informed them of) and went back today. He was sent an email before today telling him to get an earlier train so he's on time. Fair enough, so he did and would've continued doing. At 9 he was called into a meeting to tell him his contracts been terminated for unreliability. He was only informed of getting an earlier train from today, so how can they dismiss him like this? If he continued to get the later train and continued being late then I'd understand but they've not even given him a chance. I'm absolutely furious. And to add insult to injury he still had to pay for his waste of time and money train fare this morning.

Is the OP a troll?

She keeps talking about her own work does this and that. Who cares what your work does, clearly the son's work doesn't follow the same procedures. Are the two companies interlinked?

Of course if there was an earlier train all along he should have been catching that, why wasn't he the total muppet.

At least he will be an hour early for his next job!

Yet you’re furious they’ve dismissed him?

Get a grip. He’s in the wrong for going in late every day. Imo it’s his own fault he’s lost his job and I’d be telling him so if he was mine.

Seriously, OP? YOU're furious?

Yeah, I think she's a troll.

I don't understand why you think the employer would be okay with him being late simply because he uses the train. What if he drove or got the bus and encountered traffic jams every day? Google maps says the journey should take 30 mins in theory, but in practice it keeps taking 45 because of accidents or roadworks? The answer is that he'd need to leave home earlier. Stop putting all his faith in what google maps says and start taking responsibility for the reality of his commute.

The method of travel is completely irrelevant. He should be allowing himself enough time to comfortably get there without being late every day. If he's always only 1-5 minutes that tells me there is no major issue with the trains themselves, he's simply not getting an early enough train.

Okay. Professional services then. Regardless, he screwed up and that’s how the cookie crumbled.

Well I get the point he doesn’t have a leg to stand on. But I think it might do them both good to hear that from an authoritative neutral.

Although maybe lots of random strangers saying the same thing on Mumsnet is enough for the mum to stop being furious.

As long as the son has learnt from his mistake.

You have told your son to no longer take people at their word. Yet you are excusing your son's irresponsibility in meeting his job requirements. You are enabling him to take the piss.

Honestly as a grown man, he shouldn’t need to be told to get an earlier train. He should have done it from the beginning. They probably agreed initially because they thought it might be a couple of isolated incidents, not daily.

Then as time has gone on, they’ve realised that he’s unreliable, always late and most likely completely useless or incompetent in other areas, so they’ve got rid of him before he becomes a permanent problem for them going forward.

If he has no desire to make a good impression during probation, that’s a good indication of what he will be like for the rest of his career. Too much hassle employing someone like that.

I think to be honest they wete just looking to get rid of someone and your son was in the wrong place at the wrong time. They cam get rid of anyone for any or no reason (barring discrimination) this early itheor contract. He still needs psy in lieu of notice though assuming he isn't on zero hours

@OneGreyBiscuit, you know your DS and
you know what his attitude is to punctuality.

My DD and DGC know that punctuality is fundamental to being a functional person in their lives and the institutions that they have to engage with, be it school, work or appointments.

I don’t do excuses and I have brought them up to not think that they can explain their actions away with excuses.

Who cares about the late train, or whatever, whatever, late is late, and his colleagues that got there on time, see your DS coming in flustered, five minutes late every day.

And for some commuting 40 minutes each way per day is standard.

The Universe is called Woke World, the good news is that it is a dying star.

Five years in and the site had changed location as a result you have agreed with your manager you would be a few minutes late but x times a week/month you would make the time up is totally different to newbie being late every day.
Can't even blame his age this entitlement is astonishing.

It sounds like you may not have a professional job, OP, or are so senior that the usual rules no longer apply but you’ve forgotten what it’s like for juniors?

At these low levels, you need to be on time, every day, not take holiday during probation, abide by the dress code, obey all policies. The thing is, there are lots of people and not so many jobs, so employers can pick and choose. And they do!

id have sacked him too
hope that helps

He’s very unlikely to actually receive any pay in lieu of notice when he’s been there around a month and had at least a weeks holiday.

Depending on payday cut off he could end up owing money back

What the holiday they knew about and still took him on, is that what you mean?

I hope that your Ds is ok OP and not too upset. I should think that going out into the work place is a culture shock for a lot of us. In the job I mentioned upthread, I'd lose 40 minutes at the start of the day and often the boss would deliberately make me miss the train home, by making me stay unpaid for an extra ten minutes at the end of the day. The boss was surprised when I left after a short time there.

I'm sure that he will will find his way. It is unfortunate that they didn't give him a warning though. That dose seem harsh!

Agree. He’s not entitled to pay in lieu of notice - he’s been sacked with immediate effect. What he gets will depend on how often he was due to be paid and the number of weeks in hand he was required to work. Any holiday time not accrued will be deducted.

If he already had holiday commitments and told them about that at interview, they would likely have honoured that. But if his employment came to an end before he had accrued the amount of time off he actually had, then that will be deducted from his final payment.

Even more reason for him to be punctual.

I cannot decipher whether you are a troll or just dim.

OP, I imagine that if your DS was a brilliant hire, they'd have overlooked his tardiness. If they've terminated his employment during probation, it's more likely he wasn't up to the job and/or didn't meet their expectations of him. They're just using his continued lateness as a reason

For those citing he took a pre-booked holiday during his probation, that is a red herring and has zero influence on his termination of employment.

The bottom line, for whatever reason or reasons, his employers decided he wasn't right for the role. That's the takeaway from this, and yes, his inability to get to work on time or even early was a factor, but probably not the only one.

Hanging ....?

Reported.

Good hope I get banned!!!