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AIBU to ask school to drop reasonable adjustments in tests for my DD?

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Pigwig22 · Yesterday 13:24

My DD 9yo / year 4 is dyslexic and struggles at school, particularly with assessments.

She goes to a very academic focused primary school but we have always tried to downplay assessments i.e. they are so the teacher can see what you need to work on and praised the effort. But she is starting to become terrified of tests. She drew sad faces on some questions on her recent maths test and it broke my heart.

This all wasn’t helped by the teacher at the end of last term handing back the paper in the classroom and then explaining how papers are calculated for year 6 SATs (2 years away!) i.e. combining grammar and spelling for a total score etc. She then explained the cut offs for WTE, Ex and GD. So, my DD saw her decent grammar score turn into a WTE when combined with her disastrous spelling score. Similarly her excellent maths arithmetic score downgraded by the reasoning (although still a solid Ex).

This, combined with everyone in the class knowing what she got as they had to write it on the front page, massively damaged my DD’s confidence and self-esteem. Most of the children at the school get GD and go to highly competitive grammars so she feels she is one of the ‘thickest’ in the class.

The teacher piles praise on to my DD with smiley faces and certificates for trying. But my DD has quite high emotional intelligence and sees straight through it, so she views it as a consolation prize for not being as good as others, which has compounded the issue!

The above naturally led me to question the methods and ask what school were doing to support my DD with her dyslexia. They provided a very generic plan that looked like a copy and paste for a child with just any general SEND requirement. I rewrote a plan with her specialist dyslexia tutor and asked them to stick to it.

But the teacher then ignored the plan with the latest round of assessments and sent my DD out with four other students for questions to be read out to her. This led to her getting her lowest ever maths grade. She went from being EX to Below Expectations with a score of only 40% as the TA jumped forward too quickly to the next question and my DD got confused and felt pressured.

This has made her feel all her hard work is getting her nowhere and even more upset about assessments and tests. Fortunately there are no more this year, but she was incredibly emotional while they were going on last week.

I have blown my lid at the school and been offered a meeting for next term with the new teacher. But fundamentally, I feel that just too much focus and importance is being put on tests and assessments that fundamentally mean nothing to my DD or her future. And sending her out and special treatment is compounding the feeling of importance being placed on them.

I just want to rip up the dyslexia plan and ask the school to forget they even know she has a diagnosis. I know they won’t be able to do that, but I just feel because of their approach a mountain has been built out of a mole hill.

My DD now thinks these assessments and her scores are incredibly important and feels hyper aware of her differences. We keep telling her that don’t matter, trying to contextualise them etc, but the damage is done.

In the assessment where she got 40% and had drawn sad faces next to questions she struggled with, the teacher unbelievably messaged me to say she was really proud my DD had shown more confidence in these papers – despite having written “don’t be sad” next to one of the sad faces!!! So she can’t claim she hadn’t seen this.

How do I row back from the damage caused by the school? Am I being unreasonable to ask for all test adjustments to just be dropped so we can make as little fuss about the future assessments as possible? I genuinely don’t care what she scores, I just want a happy, confident child. But she is super aware of the scores and what they mean now so how do I do that?

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24Dogcuddler · Yesterday 13:55

I think I’d be asking if the SENCO or a member of staff can visit a school with the Dyslexia Friendly Quality Mark and then train staff or develop some whole school strategies and consistent approaches.
Lots of strategies that support Dyslexic learners are really helpful for the whole class. There will be others in her class and school who aren’t diagnosed.

Next year can be a fresh start with a new teacher and hopefully better support especially for tests.

At home to boost her confidence and self esteem ask if she knows any famous people diagnosed with Dyslexia? Some resources below including encouraging news from GCHQ.

https://www.twinkl.co.uk/blog/inspirational-people-6-famous-people-with-dyslexia-to-share-with-children

https://www.gchq.gov.uk/news/dyslexic-thinking-skills

CeciliaMars · Yesterday 13:57

It sounds as though the school are trying to be transparent with the children about assessments in an effort to help them understand their scores and how to improve. It also sounds like school are doing a lot to support your daughter - you say she has lots of praise and support they feel could help her in assessments. But you still 'blow your lid' at the school as you don't think they are doing right by your child. Honestly, us teachers can't do anything right these days. Meet your child's new teacher, remember they are a human being too, remember they are on the same side as you in trying to support your child, and take it from there.

WombatStewForTea · Yesterday 14:00

Going out to do a test in a small group/1:1 and/or having it read aloud is a normal adjustment for a dyslexic child. Having it read aloud is normal for maths as it takes the cognitive load of having to read the question.

Sounds like your dd is a decent reader and it's the spelling side she struggles with more?

Ultimately the toxicity of the school and it's pushiness is the problem. Are you determined to stay? Could be worth potentially sacrificing friendships to get her into more well rounded school

SowWhatNow · Yesterday 14:02

It sounds like it is self-esteem her biggest barrier. Row back from that to identify when and why that started - not necessarily from the school! It sounds like they have put a lot of support in place. How much of a thing do you make of it at home, her dyslexia, the school quizzes, the support she receives?

In my school, we dont publish the dates of our assessment weeks for this very reason. And we dont share the papers or scores with parents either - to avoid pressure on kids and making a thing of it. But then we also don't explicitly tell children the mark scheme or thresholds for WT, ARE, GD either. I'd have a word with thr school about that but not the rest.

Octavia64 · Yesterday 14:20

If a child needs additional support it is fairly normal to trial various ways of offering it.

my dc had a reader in some GCSEs, and they also trialled him using speech to text software for his English exam. It didn’t go well and so he never used it again.

but they do need to try things to see if they work for your dc or not.

obviously this didn’t so it’s unlikely the school will try this again,

most Sen plans contain fairly standard things because the standard things work.

Pigwig22 · Yesterday 15:33

CeciliaMars · Yesterday 13:57

It sounds as though the school are trying to be transparent with the children about assessments in an effort to help them understand their scores and how to improve. It also sounds like school are doing a lot to support your daughter - you say she has lots of praise and support they feel could help her in assessments. But you still 'blow your lid' at the school as you don't think they are doing right by your child. Honestly, us teachers can't do anything right these days. Meet your child's new teacher, remember they are a human being too, remember they are on the same side as you in trying to support your child, and take it from there.

I appreciate the individual teacher was acting with the best intentions, but I specifically asked for this intervention not to happen. I didn't blow my lid at the teacher, but calmly explained this isn't in her approved plan.

The school is not tailoring their support in any way shape or form to my child but applying blanket approaches, so no I don't agree they are trying to support her.

Her biggest challenge is spelling and they have offered exactly NOTHING to help this.

And praise is not the best response when you can see how upset a child is that they are drawing sad faces on their work - empathy is.

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Ponderingwindow · Yesterday 15:42

My dd has rejected some of her adjustments over the years and I think that is fair. They didn’t work for her. Your daughter deserves to have the right plan though.

It’s not enough to say don’t do X. You need to request a meeting with the school, discuss why it isn’t working for your child and find out what else is available.

The school staff want her to succeed. They have limited options and resources, but we have found a good conversation can really accomplish quite a bit.

MrsArcher23 · Yesterday 15:43

It sounds like being at a very academic focused primary isn’t suiting your daughter and causing her a lot of anxiety . Would you consider a school with a different approach?

Pigwig22 · Yesterday 15:52

CeciliaMars · Yesterday 13:57

It sounds as though the school are trying to be transparent with the children about assessments in an effort to help them understand their scores and how to improve. It also sounds like school are doing a lot to support your daughter - you say she has lots of praise and support they feel could help her in assessments. But you still 'blow your lid' at the school as you don't think they are doing right by your child. Honestly, us teachers can't do anything right these days. Meet your child's new teacher, remember they are a human being too, remember they are on the same side as you in trying to support your child, and take it from there.

Also I think it is incredibly damaging to all children to share the scores so publically - this isn't a case of being transparent, there are better ways to do that to 9 year olds.

The school has always given the assessments back to the children, gone through the paper with the class and then sent the papers back to parents with an explanation. Perfect. No complaint with that.

I see no reason everyone's marks need to be shared with all children in the classroom and then children explained to that they have failed. They are only in yr 4 and these assessments should be to support their learning but this feels distinctly like pressure to improve the schools overll scores and rankings.

Children can be incredibly cruel and this caused others to laugh in my DDs face and say they don't think dyslexia is real.

By yr6 the school has a results board up in the classroom where they move the children up and down according to the latest score.

This doesn't just impact children at the bottom of the class.I have heard of a child who always scores full marks being laughed at because they got one wrong once. Someone else's child came out gleefully telling their parent it was the most exciting thing that happened that day.

If you're a teacher, I sincerely hope you do better by your class.

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Toadflaxx · Yesterday 15:55

Gosh I’m really surprised to hear this from a state primary. At this age, testing should be for the teachers only, to understand where additional support is required. The kids should barely know about them, let alone worry about them.

I would honestly be questioning if this is the right school for my child.

Focus at this age should be about putting in effort and curiosity in learning, NOT about test scores! These are little humans we are raising, not statistics!

Toadflaxx · Yesterday 15:59

Pigwig22 · Yesterday 15:52

Also I think it is incredibly damaging to all children to share the scores so publically - this isn't a case of being transparent, there are better ways to do that to 9 year olds.

The school has always given the assessments back to the children, gone through the paper with the class and then sent the papers back to parents with an explanation. Perfect. No complaint with that.

I see no reason everyone's marks need to be shared with all children in the classroom and then children explained to that they have failed. They are only in yr 4 and these assessments should be to support their learning but this feels distinctly like pressure to improve the schools overll scores and rankings.

Children can be incredibly cruel and this caused others to laugh in my DDs face and say they don't think dyslexia is real.

By yr6 the school has a results board up in the classroom where they move the children up and down according to the latest score.

This doesn't just impact children at the bottom of the class.I have heard of a child who always scores full marks being laughed at because they got one wrong once. Someone else's child came out gleefully telling their parent it was the most exciting thing that happened that day.

If you're a teacher, I sincerely hope you do better by your class.

Gosh this latest update is even worse, I’m horrified! I have a y4 daughter too, so am very close to these issues. We have never seen her test results, apart from the statutory Multiplication check.

This school’s attitude is prehistoric. It’s public shaming. A list on the wall with test scores.. awful awful awful!

I can’t imagine the teachers like this approach either. Is the head a despot?

Yes, I would really be looking at moving my daughter out of this school

Pigwig22 · Yesterday 16:05

WombatStewForTea · Yesterday 14:00

Going out to do a test in a small group/1:1 and/or having it read aloud is a normal adjustment for a dyslexic child. Having it read aloud is normal for maths as it takes the cognitive load of having to read the question.

Sounds like your dd is a decent reader and it's the spelling side she struggles with more?

Ultimately the toxicity of the school and it's pushiness is the problem. Are you determined to stay? Could be worth potentially sacrificing friendships to get her into more well rounded school

I appreciate these are typical adjustments, but having discussed with her dyslexic tutor we had pre agreed with the school that they were not suitable for my DD.

Yes spelling is what she struggles with - and a lack of pressure. Having someone read the question to her felt pressurising.

We are considering moving schools, not sure we will now achieve that before September however.

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Pigwig22 · Yesterday 16:09

SowWhatNow · Yesterday 14:02

It sounds like it is self-esteem her biggest barrier. Row back from that to identify when and why that started - not necessarily from the school! It sounds like they have put a lot of support in place. How much of a thing do you make of it at home, her dyslexia, the school quizzes, the support she receives?

In my school, we dont publish the dates of our assessment weeks for this very reason. And we dont share the papers or scores with parents either - to avoid pressure on kids and making a thing of it. But then we also don't explicitly tell children the mark scheme or thresholds for WT, ARE, GD either. I'd have a word with thr school about that but not the rest.

Edited

We first noticed a drop in her self esteem in year 1, when some school avoidance issues also arose. She made herself very small that year.

At the time we didn't know why, but in hindsight it was clearly because she was starting to realise she wasn't keeping up but the teacher didn't notice as there are several behaviroual issues with the class that she was more focused on. My DD has been descired as a 'model pupil' and is very well behaved so she tends to be overlooked.

Her confidence was slowly starting to build up with fantastic year 2 and year 3 teachers and, while assessments were sent home, we just ignored them. I would still say she was still naturally self critical but I wasn't overly concerned.

I started to become concerned again this year after I had a child sobbing for three days straight while assessments were read out and gone over in the classroom and other children boasted of their marks or made fun of hers. It's shaken her beleif in herself and I don't know how to recover it.

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Pigwig22 · Yesterday 16:11

Octavia64 · Yesterday 14:20

If a child needs additional support it is fairly normal to trial various ways of offering it.

my dc had a reader in some GCSEs, and they also trialled him using speech to text software for his English exam. It didn’t go well and so he never used it again.

but they do need to try things to see if they work for your dc or not.

obviously this didn’t so it’s unlikely the school will try this again,

most Sen plans contain fairly standard things because the standard things work.

But I have expressely asked them not to trial things and to only stick to an approved plan as her specialist, trained dyslexic tutor is working this out with her.

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Pigwig22 · Yesterday 16:17

Ponderingwindow · Yesterday 15:42

My dd has rejected some of her adjustments over the years and I think that is fair. They didn’t work for her. Your daughter deserves to have the right plan though.

It’s not enough to say don’t do X. You need to request a meeting with the school, discuss why it isn’t working for your child and find out what else is available.

The school staff want her to succeed. They have limited options and resources, but we have found a good conversation can really accomplish quite a bit.

That's the point, I have had several meetings to explain why we want to take the approach and what works (as advised by a trained specialist). They changed the whole SEND form system as a result as they realised I made a valid point about a lack of parental involvement and these conversations. They have then ignored what was agreed.

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Pigwig22 · Yesterday 16:18

MrsArcher23 · Yesterday 15:43

It sounds like being at a very academic focused primary isn’t suiting your daughter and causing her a lot of anxiety . Would you consider a school with a different approach?

Yes, we are. She doesn't want to move, but we might have to make a parental decision on that. But I don't think we'll have it in place by September sadly.

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Phineyj · Yesterday 16:20

I think you should pursue that school move.

My middle of the road a academically AuDHD DD emerged from year 6 at a "hothouse" private prep with her self-esteem intact (she went to a comprehensive; most of the rest of the class went to highly competitive grammar and independent schools) because the school and teachers were discreet and tactful!

I wouldn't treat my A-level students like your school are treating year 4.

It won't be the teacher's decision though. That will be coming from above, which is why you've got a problem.

Pigwig22 · Yesterday 16:22

Toadflaxx · Yesterday 15:55

Gosh I’m really surprised to hear this from a state primary. At this age, testing should be for the teachers only, to understand where additional support is required. The kids should barely know about them, let alone worry about them.

I would honestly be questioning if this is the right school for my child.

Focus at this age should be about putting in effort and curiosity in learning, NOT about test scores! These are little humans we are raising, not statistics!

Totally agree and exactly my point to the school! All this focus so they can work out how to get the best SAT score out of her is just putting on more pressure but not to her benefit - SATs don't really matter to the individual child afterall! There's plenty of time to work out what does help her before an exam actually matters.

We have concluded that unfortunately it is the wrong school for her, but we haven't started looking elsewhere so not sure we can now find somewhere else by September.

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Pigwig22 · Yesterday 16:25

Toadflaxx · Yesterday 15:59

Gosh this latest update is even worse, I’m horrified! I have a y4 daughter too, so am very close to these issues. We have never seen her test results, apart from the statutory Multiplication check.

This school’s attitude is prehistoric. It’s public shaming. A list on the wall with test scores.. awful awful awful!

I can’t imagine the teachers like this approach either. Is the head a despot?

Yes, I would really be looking at moving my daughter out of this school

I had a very frank conversation with her class teacher, and she did admit she thinks the system is awful and not like her last school. The head is simply obsessed with the school's ranking... unfortunately so are most of the parents as well. I am coincidentally just from the area (my mum went to this school) but most other parents have moved there specifically for the school so are likeminded to the head. Results, tutoring, exams, pressure, pressure, pressure. We live between two of the best grammar schools in the country so I guess that's why. Poor kids.

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Pigwig22 · Yesterday 16:27

Phineyj · Yesterday 16:20

I think you should pursue that school move.

My middle of the road a academically AuDHD DD emerged from year 6 at a "hothouse" private prep with her self-esteem intact (she went to a comprehensive; most of the rest of the class went to highly competitive grammar and independent schools) because the school and teachers were discreet and tactful!

I wouldn't treat my A-level students like your school are treating year 4.

It won't be the teacher's decision though. That will be coming from above, which is why you've got a problem.

Yes, I think you're probably right.Thanks

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Octavia64 · Yesterday 16:28

Pigwig22 · Yesterday 16:11

But I have expressely asked them not to trial things and to only stick to an approved plan as her specialist, trained dyslexic tutor is working this out with her.

This is a school.

they do not have to stick to your requests.

Sen support is supposed to be in partnership between the school and the parents. In many schools this just means parents are told what is happening. (In some schools they aren’t even told!)

you can ask that they do things but it’s just that, a request.

they may not have the staff/the rooms/to put your request into place or the Senco may feel that it isn’t what your daughter needs.

i have two kids with Sen who have gone through the system and telling the school you want X and Y to happen isn’t going to work.

in addition this school sounds less prepared to work with you on this issue, and the academic side sounds like it is totally unsuited to your child.

the test results etc will be policy set by the head teacher. The individual teachers won’t be making this decision. So there’s very little point arguing it with the class teachers - they won’t be able to go against policy.

just move her. It’s not the right school for her.

Downplayit · Yesterday 16:35

You may also need to work on her resilience. I don't especially like that word but if she is dyslexic she will have to get used to struggling with certain things more than others. We have a similar situation although my DD is older now. She went through a phase of saying she was stupid and it was heart breaking. She's in year 10 now and realises she will never compete in some areas but she's found what she is good at and accepted what she isn't so strong at. Not a nice process to watch (especially if your child is competitive by nature) but an important one. Also I agree that this is not the right fit school wise.

Mumofoneandone · Yesterday 18:01

School sounds appalling, possibly book some visits to other schools locally for the start of next term.
This humiliation of children is so out of order - I'd consider reporting to Ofsted.
Both my children are dyslexic and support has been pretty non existent but the school is very chilled about tests etc.

Hankunamatata · Yesterday 18:07

Id go ballistic about my child's scores being shared
I have severely dyslexic children and thisnwould destroy them.
Their sxhool never share the stupid WTE crap with the kids. They don't even put them on the report - just exams scores
The stupid WTE are sent to parwnts privately in an envelope

tealsea · Yesterday 18:21

I am so glad my dyslexic son went to school in Scotland- as it was his relationship with education was severely tested by the upper primary school years but there was absolutely no testing or nonsense like this. (He was a completely different child once in high school when he was moving classes frequently, doing sports every day, and having subjects that didn't focus on extended writing and artwork all the time)

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