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Relative in ICU with heat stroke and is not going to make it

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SmokeyMountainRain · Today 14:10

Posting for traffic. Has anybody been through this? Close relative, relatively young 50s), was found incoherent last Wednesday. Rushed to hospital straight to ICU as she'd fallen into a coma. They've kept her asleep, tried to wake her twice and she cannot breath on her own whatsoever. They've ran repeated scans which show due to the heat stroke damage the part of her brain that tells her to breath is severely damaged. They've pretty much said she's incompatible with life now and we will have to turn the machines off this week unless by some miracle she wakes up. Her core temp was 41 degrees for 4 days, she's now at 40. Not responded to any medication, antibiotics etc.

She wasn't even doing anything strenuous. Just in her flat watching telly. Has anyone been through this? Does anyone have any advice? I don't even know what to think and feel it just seems so so cruel. No brain bleeds or blockages on the scan. Substantial brain swelling and damage.

posting for traffic as can't see any similar threads

Any advice or miracle stories please send them my way. Thank you x

OP posts:
riversofjoy · Today 19:31

Cailin66 · Today 19:29

The thread title is misleading. The lady in ICU is there because she has COPD (due to smoking) which means unlike others in her age bracket it makes her susceptible to heat stroke. Smoking cigarettes is the root cause of this medical emergency, which is a tragedy for all concerned.

Exactly my point.

HollyHolly123 · Today 19:31

Awwlookatmybabyspider · Today 18:23

Not everyone has electric fan money.

And an elecfan can only do so much.in our house it’s no way enough on it’s own when it gets really hot

Lararoft · Today 19:33

So sorry to hear about your poor relative OP.

I can really see how it may have happened to her as I nearly got quite ill myself last week. Luckily I realised that I was not feeling right and got some help.

I think people will need more education regarding the high humidity levels & temperatures going forward.

It’s easy to get to the stage of Heat Exhaustion without realising you have it; you can feel so drowsy that you just need to lie down but that’s when you need to be taking urgent action to cool down instead or it will progress to Heat Stroke which is probably what happened to your relative.

Certain medications can make people much more prone to Heat Exhaustion such as anti depressants & anti psychotics for example.

Also many people will get too warm but not know the steps to take to cool down quickly such as holding your wrists under a cold tap for 10 minutes and putting a damp tea towel on your head & neck.

As well as children and the elderly who we know are vulnerable; there will be a lot of younger adults with MH conditions and / or Neurodiversity / physical disabilities / chronic illnesses out there who may also need extra help / support/ advice during heatwaves.

HollyHolly123 · Today 19:34

RollonSpringplease · Today 19:14

I'm so sorry that your relative has had such a catastrophic brain injury from heat stroke. We live in a highly insulated new build and we were in the red zone. Our house temperature was 32.5C. We drew the curtains, kept the windows closed and it was unbearable. DH is 82. I'm younger. We really struggled, but DH got lots of face flannels and soaked them, then froze them. We had them on our heads all day. The relief and the difference in how we felt was enormous. It's a cheap and effective way of keeping the brain cool and I highly recommend it.

Thanks for that. Will keep it in mind in future

Ketzele · Today 19:36

I'm so very sorry, OP, that is awful. My best wishes to your family.

For those posters talking about personal responsibility, or whether the landlord had liability, or how it should 'just' be the elderly or those with pre-existing health conditions who can die from heatstroke, it's really important to understand that this is going to get worse and we will all have to work on mitigating its impact. Architects, landlords, town planners, schools, the NHS and individuals. Personal responsibility won't cut it.

Cailin66 · Today 19:36

SmokeyMountainRain · Today 18:54

There's already been a second opinion. 2 different consultants on the ward and ward rounds. Same conclusion unfortunately. All we can do is pray for a miracle but I we are all preparing to either turn the machines off, or that she will not survive herself.

Sorry for what you are going thru. It sounds like there has been massive brain damage but I’m not a medic. Hope you find the strength to do the right thing.

Okiedokie123 · Today 19:39

JenniferBooth · Today 15:17

My housing association flat
Window restrictors........tick
Fire door that must be kept closed at all times............tick
Black cladding tick.

,,,,there used to be a tree on the patch of grass near my bedroom window. The tenant opposite complained about the branches getting in the window so instead of cutting the branches back and then coming back to do that when needed, THEY FELLED THE WHOLE TREE So a source of shading destroyed because they are lazy and tight and couldnt be bothered. Along with the other things they have done to turn this place into a sweatbox Im on the top floor of a low rise

As difficult as that is for you…..there’s a time and a place. Using someone else’s thread about their own tragic circumstances is not the place for you to use as a platform. Start your own thread!

much love @SmokeyMountainRain at this very difficult time.xx

anyolddinosaur · Today 19:43

Washing your hair and leaving it to dry naturally is a good way to cool head and neck. Sitting with your feet in a bowl of water can also cool you. You can buy neck fans and I expect they will become rather popular. Some people buy dog cooling mats to sleep on.

If by some miracle the poor lady survives another heatwave is being forecast already.

OP hearing is said to be the last sense to go. If you can take it turns to talk calmly, stroke a hand and if she had any religious faith read something comforting.

Safarisagoody · Today 19:43

I’m so sorry op. This is just so sad, and so worrying at the same time. At 41 this would be severe heat stroke, which will have this impact. Have they said it was definitely environmental, there are some conditions that can lead to this, like a stroke, haemorrhaging, thyroid storm etc, which can cause the body to over heat like this,

AineN · Today 19:49

So very sorry.

You mentioned she has insomnia - has she been on medication for that? Some drugs can cause a dangerously high temperature.

LoudTealHare · Today 20:03

SmokeyMountainRain · Today 14:10

Posting for traffic. Has anybody been through this? Close relative, relatively young 50s), was found incoherent last Wednesday. Rushed to hospital straight to ICU as she'd fallen into a coma. They've kept her asleep, tried to wake her twice and she cannot breath on her own whatsoever. They've ran repeated scans which show due to the heat stroke damage the part of her brain that tells her to breath is severely damaged. They've pretty much said she's incompatible with life now and we will have to turn the machines off this week unless by some miracle she wakes up. Her core temp was 41 degrees for 4 days, she's now at 40. Not responded to any medication, antibiotics etc.

She wasn't even doing anything strenuous. Just in her flat watching telly. Has anyone been through this? Does anyone have any advice? I don't even know what to think and feel it just seems so so cruel. No brain bleeds or blockages on the scan. Substantial brain swelling and damage.

posting for traffic as can't see any similar threads

Any advice or miracle stories please send them my way. Thank you x

You’ve been told that sadly the extent of the brain damage is incompatible with life, yet you think it’s cruel to end life support! Sorry it’s worse to keep her mechanically alive when she’s unlikely to recover! Even if she did start to breath in her own, she will in all likelihood have severe brain damage, ask yourself what she would want in that scenario!

InveterateWineDrinker · Today 20:12

OP, my sympathies are with you and your family.

I hope all the posters on other threads with comments along the lines of "we managed in 1976 without all this hand-wringing and hysteria" are reading this thread. Climate change is a real danger to civilisation; and it literally starts right here in situations like this.

Everyone, think about this lady in ICU next time you drive a two tonne SUV 250 metres to the corner shop to buy cigarettes and crisps.

12234m · Today 20:14

💐

AwwShucksOhWell · Today 20:15

riversofjoy · Today 19:11

I am not trying to prove anything. I'm merely responding to the original claim that extreme heat causes death or brain injury in otherwise healthy 50-year-olds. While it can happen, it is an extremely rare occurrence, and it's not helpful to create unnecessary panic. From the information provided, it appears the individual mentioned had pre-existing health conditions, which are an important part of the context. Thats all.

People getting worried about relatives suddenly dropping into comas in their 50s isnt productive either is it?

While the OPs relative did have an underlying condition, that wasn't known until they were already in a coma though, seemingly.

So logically, as no-one here knew about the underlying condition and so a need to take extra precautions, there's just as much reason for concern in others. Lots of people have unknown medical conditions - things are often unknown until they go wrong.

I don't personally think anyone should worry anymore than they did before. Just like I don't think people shouldn't go for a fast run in case they have an undiagnosed heart condition... I just think your point is entirely illogical in the case of someone with undiagnosed, hidden underlying conditions. There is obviously always a risk that unknown ill health could affect someone, but that's equally obviously unknowable until after the event. So it has no real bearing on whether people should worry or not, because it's a random event. And what people are worrying about with random one off tragic cases affecting loved ones, like unexpected death by heat stroke, remains the same - a random, unexpected, catastrophic health event that couldn't be predicted in advance.

AwwShucksOhWell · Today 20:20

Anyway.

Wishing you love and grace however your relative's health goes, OP.

I've not been in your situation, but I've been in ICU watching over my partner in a coma and I lost my dad to an unexpected and unknown health event. I know your pain, even if I don't know what's happening for you right now and I wish I could help. Look after yourself and make sure other people are looking after you too 💐.

SaySomethingMan · Today 20:20

Wow i’m really sorry to read this 💐

Idratherhaveafishsupper · Today 20:21

JenniferBooth · Today 14:38

Does she own the flat or is it rented

really!!! What does this have to do with the situation?

TheGander · Today 20:22

Always good to be able to blame a landlord.

BridgetJonesV2 · Today 20:31

What a dreadful shock OP, and in someone relatively young too.

Look after yourself

AzureCats · Today 20:33

Really sorry to read this OP, what a distressing situation. You and your family are in my thoughts. I'm so sorry you're all going through this. 💐

pampampamela · Today 20:34

So sorry Op. This is so scary, I hope you look after yourself and I pray for a miracle for you xx

ThreadGuardDog · Today 20:35

Wendywooooo · Today 16:01

This is so sad to read, from my own experience most people who go into ICU only leave one way. My father was in one a few years back and didn't make it, in the 2 week or so he was there 5 out of 7 other patients passed away. And the other 2 were still there after we left for the final time

The staff in these units do a fantastic job. They really are saints

So sorry to read you are going through all this. Take care of yourself in the coming days and weeks, if you feel you need some support reach out for it.

God almighty !! Not only is this not helpful to OP (or the least bit tactful) but it’s also not true - it’s just your experience, not a universal truth. While my DH was in ITU we witnessed several patients being taken off ventilators because they had recovered sufficiently to support themselves, and they were soon transferred to other wards to continue their recovery.

ThreadGuardDog · Today 20:36

LoudTealHare · Today 20:03

You’ve been told that sadly the extent of the brain damage is incompatible with life, yet you think it’s cruel to end life support! Sorry it’s worse to keep her mechanically alive when she’s unlikely to recover! Even if she did start to breath in her own, she will in all likelihood have severe brain damage, ask yourself what she would want in that scenario!

Wow, this is tactful 🙄

Nincompoo · Today 20:37

JenniferBooth · Today 17:58

Ive been taking endless cold baths so having to use more water

Yeah, like everyone - socially housed or not.

wanttokickoffbutcant · Today 20:39

YetAnotherAlias62 · Today 15:02

Exactly what I was thinking!

Thought I has swapped threads.....

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