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Are people getting worse/what is happening?

51 replies

Hideawaysomewherenice · 19/06/2026 14:00

All I keep reading about daily now is another gang rape, murder, stabbings and unspeakable, evil things being done to children, even babies. It seems to have got worse over the year, things that were quite rare are now becoming commonplace, why, what’s happening in the world?

My dd is only 7 and i’m becoming scared for her future

Please tell me that the vast majority of people are still good and decent

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Clarinet1 · 19/06/2026 14:44

I think you might be feeling a similar reaction if you were reading about the Moors murders when they happened in the early 60s or Jack
The Ripper in 1888 although I do agree that the greater availability of news these days intensifies the effect.

Pastelpug · 19/06/2026 14:45

I think crime is opportunistic..even sexual crimes ,even against children.
I think deterrent keeps crime down ,and currently it seems we are very lacking in deterrent in UK .
No I don't think most people are good ,I think if people think they can get away with something on the balance of probability,they will give it a go ..
Fewer than 1 to 2 percent of all rapes reported in UK end up with someone going to prison .
So based on that 98% of men committing rape get away with it .
No deterrent
I don't believe people are inherently good or bad ..it simply comes down to what they think they can get away with.
Laws and prison sentences are poor ...
30% of knife and offensive weapons offences end up with prison sentences
Meaning 70% do not ,.
It's basically a free for all

frenchnoodle · 19/06/2026 14:50

Species can smell their own extinction.

When there is less and less optimism and direction ahead they turn on each other.

Hideawaysomewherenice · 19/06/2026 14:51

frenchnoodle · 19/06/2026 14:50

Species can smell their own extinction.

When there is less and less optimism and direction ahead they turn on each other.

Interesting take!

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Mt563 · 19/06/2026 14:51

Rare things make the news. Also, if it bleeds it leads.

The news is not a good representation of the real world. It's a representation is what is considered newsworthy, or rather now, click worthy.

Honestly, focus on your neighbourhood and community. What's that like? What are the people you really know like? What about neighbours?

It's really not that bad.

PenelopeJoanSterling · 19/06/2026 14:52

Hideawaysomewherenice · 19/06/2026 14:00

All I keep reading about daily now is another gang rape, murder, stabbings and unspeakable, evil things being done to children, even babies. It seems to have got worse over the year, things that were quite rare are now becoming commonplace, why, what’s happening in the world?

My dd is only 7 and i’m becoming scared for her future

Please tell me that the vast majority of people are still good and decent

society has always been similar even pre ww2 era, they just didnt have social media

Hideawaysomewherenice · 19/06/2026 14:53

PenelopeJoanSterling · 19/06/2026 14:52

society has always been similar even pre ww2 era, they just didnt have social media

But constant gang rapes, violence against women and this many evil and truly sick pedo’s?

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StripyShirt · 19/06/2026 14:55

It's difficult to tell.

There may be less reported crime but that doesn't necessarily correspond to actual crime, as many people have too little faith in the police to report it. The way in which crime is classified for statistics will also have an effect.

There are many more people here now, so a rise in crime for that reason alone would not be surprising.

Economic and mental health issues appear to be on the rise, and there may well be an effect on various crime types from immigration; Albanian crime gangs spring to mind, as do the mass sexual assaults by North Affrican immigrants in Germany on new year 2015-2016, for example.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35250903.

If the allegations re Pakistani rape gangs are true, including their crimes would bump up the sexual crime rate.

On the other hand, there is a rise in people doing lovely things.

Overall, I'm not optimistic.

PenelopeJoanSterling · 19/06/2026 14:55

Hideawaysomewherenice · 19/06/2026 14:53

But constant gang rapes, violence against women and this many evil and truly sick pedo’s?

again, look at all the various serial killers from 1900's onwards etc society has always had bad apples across many eras, does not mean its worse now, because we dont have the full data from history to compare it with

OlympicWomen · 19/06/2026 14:56

Hideawaysomewherenice · 19/06/2026 14:53

But constant gang rapes, violence against women and this many evil and truly sick pedo’s?

Yes. Plus mostly women didn't report rape or sexual assault. It's bad enough now, but previously?
Little hope of justice.
None of these crimes are new, sadly.

Mt563 · 19/06/2026 14:58

Hideawaysomewherenice · 19/06/2026 14:53

But constant gang rapes, violence against women and this many evil and truly sick pedo’s?

In a way, at least we know about it now and can try to tackle it. It happened before but was often (and still is) covered up.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 19/06/2026 15:00

I’m pretty sure the internet has massively increased the numbers of men accessing violent pornography and images of child sexual abuse. It’s so easy, and by nature escalates. And that would then tend towards in person abuse of DC, where they get the opportunity. I’m sorry to be so dark.

Keep your DC close.

But non sexual crime rates have reduced- except perhaps fraud. That’s ridiculously prevalent, too.

Hideawaysomewherenice · 19/06/2026 15:02

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 19/06/2026 15:00

I’m pretty sure the internet has massively increased the numbers of men accessing violent pornography and images of child sexual abuse. It’s so easy, and by nature escalates. And that would then tend towards in person abuse of DC, where they get the opportunity. I’m sorry to be so dark.

Keep your DC close.

But non sexual crime rates have reduced- except perhaps fraud. That’s ridiculously prevalent, too.

Yes this is what I worry about

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glitterpaperchain · 19/06/2026 15:03

Look up crime statistics. The news presents a biased picture - just because certain crimes are being reported more doesn't mean it's actually happening more.

Fizzybluewater · 19/06/2026 15:04

I don't have social media accounts, not interested, and don't bother with too much news.
Where I live we are fairly quiet as an area and totally removed from a lot of the negative stuff in life probably because of a higher demographic of older people.

Whatifitallgoesright · 19/06/2026 15:04

The shockingly low and non-custodial sentences for things like possession of Cat A CSA images sends out the signal that these crimes aren't considered serious.

x2boys · 19/06/2026 15:07

As pp have said
People commiting terrible crimes has always happened
The difference now is that we have 24 hr news coverage and children are more likely to be believed

Fizzybluewater · 19/06/2026 15:11

PenelopeJoanSterling · 19/06/2026 14:55

again, look at all the various serial killers from 1900's onwards etc society has always had bad apples across many eras, does not mean its worse now, because we dont have the full data from history to compare it with

I've got notrious baby farmer Amelia Dyer on my paternal side of family, my paternal grandmother murdered my grandfather. Also another relative poisoned her 3 step daughters in the Victorian times all cases well documented. Insanity runs in my fathers side of the family there have been various incidents apart from the fore amentioned.
The violence has always been there in society. We are just more aware of it now through technology.

PenelopeJoanSterling · 19/06/2026 15:12

Fizzybluewater · 19/06/2026 15:11

I've got notrious baby farmer Amelia Dyer on my paternal side of family, my paternal grandmother murdered my grandfather. Also another relative poisoned her 3 step daughters in the Victorian times all cases well documented. Insanity runs in my fathers side of the family there have been various incidents apart from the fore amentioned.
The violence has always been there in society. We are just more aware of it now through technology.

excatly the point i was making, humanity has always been barbaric look at medivel times and even before genghis khan times etc

Whosthetabbynow · 19/06/2026 15:13

MyrtleLion · 19/06/2026 14:28

Crime rates have dropped dramatically over the last 30 years as shown by this graph, from this source: https://policinginsight.com/feature/analysis/most-crime-has-fallen-by-90-in-30-years-so-why-does-the-public-think-its-increased/

But people think it’s worse than it is.

Don’t think people bother reporting half the stuff. Nothing’s done in certain cases.

Pansykavalier · 19/06/2026 15:21

TigerRag · 19/06/2026 14:05

I don't think there's an increase. It's more being exposed to news 24/7

Not just news but also social media and things like YouTube. There are so many ‘content creators’ whose sole mission seems to be to ‘react’ to disturbing events and gory crimes.

However, I do think that sexual crimes have increased, especially men sharing compromising photos/videos and date rapes with other men. Somehow, modern technology and social media reduced inhibitions and led to more men seeing women as sexual commodities. Just look at ‘influencers’ like Ashleigh Cain, Andrew Tate, Kanye West, etc.

Wednesdaysotherchild · 19/06/2026 17:55

Hideawaysomewherenice · 19/06/2026 14:53

But constant gang rapes, violence against women and this many evil and truly sick pedo’s?

Have you hear about the rapes & murders that happened in WW2 under cover of the Blitz? There was a big coverup for ‘national security’ or morale but it happened…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/1c1R2p9g8rDyJTk8YX1ww5C/blackout-ripper-how-wartime-murderer-stayed-hidden-in-history

Information travels differently now…

BBC Sounds - Bad Women - Blackout Ripper: How wartime murderer stayed hidden in history

The city is hidden from Nazi bombers, but in the darkness a merciless killer is hunting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/1c1R2p9g8rDyJTk8YX1ww5C/blackout-ripper-how-wartime-murderer-stayed-hidden-in-history

Meadowfinch · 19/06/2026 17:56

Teach your dd good values, give her confidence and model not taking any shit, and she will be OK.

I know what you mean though. Grim doesn't cover it.

Justthethingsthatyoudointhisgarden · 19/06/2026 17:59

In the past we'd have radio news on the hour, TV news maybe four times a day. If you missed it, you missed it. Now there's a constant stream of awfulness due to social media.

MyrtleLion · 19/06/2026 18:07

Hideawaysomewherenice · 19/06/2026 14:31

Changed for the negative?

No, for the positive. We are beginning to see some support and sympathy for women and girls. The police still have a long way to go, but the public attitude is improving.

Having said that the new Met Commissioner is monthly targeting the Top 100 offenders against women and using an “Al Capone” strategy of locking them up - arresting the, for their other offences. https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/met-chief-mark-rowley-on-the-al-capone-strategy-to-tackle-the-100-worst-abusers

Met chief Mark Rowley on the ‘Al Capone’ strategy to tack...

Met chief Mark Rowley on the ‘Al Capone’ strategy to tack...

A novel scheme to tackle the men who pose the greatest risk to women is having a significant effect. Soon to be rolled out nationally, it’s all about pursuing them for other crimes

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/met-chief-mark-rowley-on-the-al-capone-strategy-to-tackle-the-100-worst-abusers