To have a horrible feeling about the way things are going and a dystopian future

[JonasBogeys]

I’m seeing more and more men on here, or if not men then women who upheld very pro-men, pro-‘family’ beliefs. Usually the only person who matters to these posters is the ‘man’. I also have a lot of friends in shit marriages, controlling relationships, stuck being SAHP as they have disabled children or shit husbands who don’t do any childcare.
I have friends who are being paid £10 a month in child maintenance.
Ive also been told off for my ‘anti male views’ and work and ‘transphobic’ views at uni.
My worry, and it sounds too paranoid to say out loud, is that the powers that be know that there won’t be enough jobs in the future. They know AI is going to wipe at least a third of all jobs out.
If you can see that happening, and can predict the civil unrest etc which will come with it, the breakdown of society, what would be an easy thing to mean there was more jobs available and a return to ‘family values’?
Get women out of the workplace.
And I don’t mean in a handmaids tale way, not an immediate ban, but a gradual chipping away of women’s rights, of our voice, of our autonomy, placing pro male opinions in our safe spaces, convincing us that we don’t really want independence or careers or to be single.
We want safety, protection, to be cared for and bought things. We want to raise children.
Women in the UK scoff at trad wives but notice that rhetoric, those values being echoed on here.
Just notice it.

I'm less worried about tradwives then the fact we have some men with enough money to buy elections and influence policy even in wealthy economies, and they seem without exception to be dreadful fascists, because I suppose you don't keep hold of that much money without being an awful human being.

I fear slightly, though I don't think it's inevitable, that we are sleepwalking into a scenario where there are few jobs, money and power is entirely siphoned to men like this. If you want to go rant tinfoil hat, apparently some of them have been realising that at this rate, there will have tobe some kind of universal income of there's to be anyone to actually buy their products. But if the world has to come begging to them for the money, then they'll see the opportunity to demand it is conditional, not universal. Can you imagine, if someone like Musk got to make that decision?

I honestly don't think that's s likely, a paranoid thought experiment of mine maybe, but at any rate these guys have been allowed to amass far too much money, which is bad enough - but also they all seem to be racists and misogynists too.

“Everybody said computers would take all our jobs but that never happened except to all the people who lost their jobs. But I didn’t lose my job so it didn’t happen.” 🤣
What a gem. Tell that to all of us graduating in the early 2000s who couldn’t get entry level office jobs because they’d all gone, and had a harder time establishing a career/lower lifetime earnings as a result.

Along with not realising that the current jobs bloodbath is due to AI. Which is literally computers. It just took a while for the full effects to become apparent, and some people still don’t see it. Because it doesn’t directly affect them. This is exactly what people were worried about in the 90s!

OP I don’t know if you’re right or not, I’ve never really considered this, but as a thought experiment it’s definitely got some mileage in our current ‘nudge’ culture if certain political parties get power.

It's an interesting hypothesis OP. AI could very well (in fact it eventually will) mean mass culling of the workforce requiring a complete social restructure. Who's going to be doing the restructuring? I think it's perfectly fair to envisage that a seismic societal shift and possible lack of individual resources will affect women the most. They usually do.

@WiseMintDeer "What you do see is lots of women who want to not work and be housewives or SAHM but with equal rights, equal access to finances, equality of decision making and the men pulling their weight at home and so on"

What the actual fuck? You have GOT to be a man

I find the older I get, I don’t care to be around. (NO it isn’t depression, perimenopause, not ND or any other thing people will come up with!!!). I know most people do care to be around.

What's your view of George Soros (and now his son Alex) who has been influencing elections for decades though his funding? Or is that ok because it's aligned with your worldview?

“We were told computer technology would wipe out millions of jobs, young people would never get a job or be able to buy a house.”

and that has pretty much happened. We’ve been in an employers market for 20-odd years and counting because there are not enough jobs, and jobs requiring a knowledge base and analytical skills are the ones that have been devalued the most.

”the only jobs that were lost…” were these ones that you don’t think matter, is that what you meant to say?? Lovely. Also loads of retail jobs went and things like bank tellers, lots of jobs connected to information like journalism have been drastically reduced and drastically altered - it’s basically just rewriting as many press releases as possible
in the shortest time these days, even before AI - and anything to do with translation,…
still as long as it didnt affect you, you didn’t see it I guess.

My view is that they're obviously not very successful at this, given the world seems increasingly full of authoritarian fascist governments. You do know that that harping on about Soros is dog-whistle for right-wing antisemitism, right?

I think you’re right to be concerned about the direction the world is moving in. And while there have always been terrible men, so many men are being hit terribly by AI. They make up the majority of the NEETs. This is not a male vs. female issue.

As for the future, there is going to have to be more regulations placed on people like Musk and the tech giants. They have got far too much power & influence these days and not in a good way.

Are we getting to end game capitalism? When one man has enough wealth to be richer than Switzerland then maybe.

I'm a working woman, but certainly don't scoff at SAHP, and ideally I would like everyone to have the choice of staying home for a few years while their kids are little. And I care about both men and women, and want both my son and daughter to have teh chance to do what they like, and being in a family does tend to make a lot of people happy. If they want to be single and focus solely on career, then that's fine too.