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AIBU to think I should get reparations?

219 replies

PositiveEngine · 11/06/2026 11:38

I’m from a working class background. My ancestors, going back 200 years, were also working class people and before that, agricultural labourers. They weren’t slaves, but they were engaged in backbreaking manual work, for very little pay, housed in what were effectively slums, to make capitalists rich. They had no practical way out of that life and the impacts are still felt; I’ve done alright for myself, but the biggest determinant of where someone ends up in life remains where they started.

AIBU to think some reparations would level the playing field a bit?

OP posts:
spritzwiththat · 11/06/2026 14:20

You didn’t start where your ancestors were. You live in a generation of welfare state with free access to health education and wealth making opportunities that stem from this. The limitations of your ancestors can hardly account for failings people have now. Do some work.

Swiftie1878 · 11/06/2026 14:21

PositiveEngine · 11/06/2026 11:45

Not sure really, maybe the descendants of those who profited from their labour? Just putting it out there for debate.

Are you doing a Year 9 HPQ?!

Backedoffhackedoff · 11/06/2026 14:21

Ponderingwindow · 11/06/2026 14:16

I think there should be a statute of limitations on historical wrongs. Once the people involved in the issue are gone, we put the matter to rest. Since we don’t want to discourage murder, we set it at 100 years.

Does that mean we accept that there are individual people living in strife today? Absolutely not. Instead of addressing those problems by trying to fight old battles, we tackle them as they are today.

Understanding that poverty is a generational issue doesn’t require inflaming a class war to fight the problem.

But this isn’t a crime and individual is responsible for

it was a societal problem that the structure of the country was responsible for- legislation and policy.

individuals aren’t responsible for the agricultural laws that took the right of land ownership away from peasants ie the villein/ copyhold laws and the enclosure act

individuals are never responsible for repatriations. Governments are.

icouldholditwithacobweb · 11/06/2026 14:21

I don't think any individuals or families should get reparations, but I wholeheartedly believe that wealthy families who have wealth based on long-term land ownership (particularly where that land was either granted to their ancestors by Royals as a way of currying favour, or they seized it via Enclosure or similar) should have to return that land to the State for the use of the common people. There's no justifiable reason not to, IMO.

And we need to close loopholes around wealthy people buying up agricultural land as an inheritance tax dodge.

That would be a great start to redistributing some wealth and returning something of value to those who aren't wildly wealthy.

Backedoffhackedoff · 11/06/2026 14:22

spritzwiththat · 11/06/2026 14:20

You didn’t start where your ancestors were. You live in a generation of welfare state with free access to health education and wealth making opportunities that stem from this. The limitations of your ancestors can hardly account for failings people have now. Do some work.

Well I don’t have a £400m property portfolio either, like some people got from their ancestors -who gained it by taking.

notjaneausten · 11/06/2026 14:23

Name one.

TanquerayTickles · 11/06/2026 14:23

The Irish were colonised by the British and many put into involuntary indentured servitude.

Where do I get my money?

JLou08 · 11/06/2026 14:24

It's unrealistic.
I do think it's worthy of debate. For a very long time people have been born in to wealth which just grows and grows on the back of cheap labour from working class people. The wealth divide is absolutely disgusting. People are sat on money that can provide a lavish lifestyle for 100s of years whilst people working to generate that income for them are struggling to pay the bills to meet their basic needs.

Naunet · 11/06/2026 14:33

OK, then I want reparations for being female and all the historic oppression and financial restrictions I haven't experienced too.

Teethyblinders · 11/06/2026 14:35

toomanydicksonthedancefloor1 · 11/06/2026 11:53

FFS 🤦 s this a joke? How about just working hard and trying to better yourself????

Lot of people missing the point here.

Black people demand reparations from white people and talk about white privilege as if every white person descended from wealthy plantation and slave owners when in reality 95% of white people descend from farmers who died at 40.

TygerBread · 11/06/2026 14:36

It’s an interesting hypothetical question, because I really feel zero understating of why any government or organisation has entertained the concept of reparations for people whose ancestors were slaves. It’s not in that individual’s living memory and they’ve never experienced it, so it’s not compensation for any kind of suffering.

The only thing it could relate to is the idea that the OP is suggesting…this historic inequality is still having an impact on the current generation, yet with the slave issue that doesn’t make much sense. This relates to people who have been raised in the developed world with good/reasonable access to education, healthcare, employment opportunities and lived in democracies that, overall, protect equal rights. These people,
are not clambering to be returned to their ‘homeland’, many of these people wouldn’t want to visit a country where there is visible poverty and a lack of basic modern facilities such as wifi. Their ancestors suffered, that’s not disputed, but they themselves…are very likely better off as a result, as its directly the reason they weren’t born in a developing country. When people campaign for reparations, they are just asking for a cash payout in their pockets, but what they aren’t asking for, is for the money to be directed to either helping those still in their homeland or to be used as a fund to help people who want to move back there whose ancestors caused their displacement.

If there are a reparations due, in my opinion,, they should be directed to the countries that were negatively affected, not the descendants. So for example, where a country took slaves from another country, presumably they mostly would take the strongest people, leaving the weak behind to struggle further, and also this would have stunted the development of those countries by taking away the a significant proportion of their manually strong workforce. The consequences of that may still be being felt by people living in those countries today…and they are the people who deserve the help from the country who caused the damage.

As for OP, I’m assuming you have asked the question of reparations tongue in cheek, but you have a very fair point in a way…becuase there are people in developed countries today who are not meeting their full potential due to the class system, historic lack of aspiration in families, from cost barriers to high education, from lack of opportunities due to not having the contacts that elite schooling open up. There are many adults in the UK who left school at 16 and went into a minimum wage job, just because that’s what everyone around them expected them to do, and they couldn’t see past that expectation.

It shows the ludicrously of the whole idea of reparations…because who would really be more deserving of a government payout…a black person whose ancestors were slaves but was never directly exposed to slavery, who has been to university, qualified as a doctor and owns a large home, has nice holidays and new cars and has never suffered any real deprivation in their lifetime….or, would it be more deserving to pay reparations to the white person who has come from a family without aspiration and without any examples of relatives breaking out the generational mould, who has been in the care system, who was not supported financially or encouraged to meet their full potential, who has drifted from one low paid job to another, and who has never had a career path, and will never be in a position to own their own home and goes through times of struggles with the heat or eat dilemma in the winter months?

Who has actually suffered more?

Stick0rTwist · 11/06/2026 14:37

Love this thread 👏 this is really shining a light on just how ridiculous the whole slave reparation argument is.

I’ve done my family tree too OP and no landed gentry on my side either, just suffering and hardship like the majority of British people in the 18th-20th century. Can’t wait for my reparations 💰🤑

Daygloboo · 11/06/2026 14:41

PositiveEngine · 11/06/2026 11:38

I’m from a working class background. My ancestors, going back 200 years, were also working class people and before that, agricultural labourers. They weren’t slaves, but they were engaged in backbreaking manual work, for very little pay, housed in what were effectively slums, to make capitalists rich. They had no practical way out of that life and the impacts are still felt; I’ve done alright for myself, but the biggest determinant of where someone ends up in life remains where they started.

AIBU to think some reparations would level the playing field a bit?

Thats not true. My ancestors going back 200 years qere minor gentry farming in Scotland and before that they were nobility. But due to changes in farming patterns we lost land and many left for Canada. My grandad committed suicide due to a series of harsh events and my dad was left without a farher at 17 and had to do qhatevwr jobs he could get. We managed to get a comfortable lifw in rhe end again but by no means a gentry or noble life. So history is swings and roundabouts. I do think slave descendants should get compensation though because we stole from them and YK is built on the backs of incredible cruelty and frankly evil.

Teethyblinders · 11/06/2026 14:44

MyPurpleHeart · 11/06/2026 13:12

So if you're saying that people should be held responsible now for something their ancestors did 200 years ago, then by your reasoning people should be put in jail for crimes committed by their parents, grandparents, great grandparents and great great grandparents.

Its the exact same principle, no?

You’ve missed the ops point.
Many people unironically think white people should be held responsible for what some white people did 200 years ago. And pay reparations to black people. Even though 95% of us descended from farmers who died at 40, read some dickens and you’ll see little kids working in factories for 12+ hours a day many dying young.

I’ll get some heat from saying this but not too different from slavery seeing as those kids would have died if they didn’t live like that. Look into your own history before believing you descended from evil “privileged” people.

aberamagold · 11/06/2026 14:47

TygerBread · 11/06/2026 14:36

It’s an interesting hypothetical question, because I really feel zero understating of why any government or organisation has entertained the concept of reparations for people whose ancestors were slaves. It’s not in that individual’s living memory and they’ve never experienced it, so it’s not compensation for any kind of suffering.

The only thing it could relate to is the idea that the OP is suggesting…this historic inequality is still having an impact on the current generation, yet with the slave issue that doesn’t make much sense. This relates to people who have been raised in the developed world with good/reasonable access to education, healthcare, employment opportunities and lived in democracies that, overall, protect equal rights. These people,
are not clambering to be returned to their ‘homeland’, many of these people wouldn’t want to visit a country where there is visible poverty and a lack of basic modern facilities such as wifi. Their ancestors suffered, that’s not disputed, but they themselves…are very likely better off as a result, as its directly the reason they weren’t born in a developing country. When people campaign for reparations, they are just asking for a cash payout in their pockets, but what they aren’t asking for, is for the money to be directed to either helping those still in their homeland or to be used as a fund to help people who want to move back there whose ancestors caused their displacement.

If there are a reparations due, in my opinion,, they should be directed to the countries that were negatively affected, not the descendants. So for example, where a country took slaves from another country, presumably they mostly would take the strongest people, leaving the weak behind to struggle further, and also this would have stunted the development of those countries by taking away the a significant proportion of their manually strong workforce. The consequences of that may still be being felt by people living in those countries today…and they are the people who deserve the help from the country who caused the damage.

As for OP, I’m assuming you have asked the question of reparations tongue in cheek, but you have a very fair point in a way…becuase there are people in developed countries today who are not meeting their full potential due to the class system, historic lack of aspiration in families, from cost barriers to high education, from lack of opportunities due to not having the contacts that elite schooling open up. There are many adults in the UK who left school at 16 and went into a minimum wage job, just because that’s what everyone around them expected them to do, and they couldn’t see past that expectation.

It shows the ludicrously of the whole idea of reparations…because who would really be more deserving of a government payout…a black person whose ancestors were slaves but was never directly exposed to slavery, who has been to university, qualified as a doctor and owns a large home, has nice holidays and new cars and has never suffered any real deprivation in their lifetime….or, would it be more deserving to pay reparations to the white person who has come from a family without aspiration and without any examples of relatives breaking out the generational mould, who has been in the care system, who was not supported financially or encouraged to meet their full potential, who has drifted from one low paid job to another, and who has never had a career path, and will never be in a position to own their own home and goes through times of struggles with the heat or eat dilemma in the winter months?

Who has actually suffered more?

People didn't just 'take' slaves from Africa, they bought them - from other Africans.
If the British government paid reparations to the countries where slaves came from, it would in effect mean the descendants of British farm labourers/miners/weavers - none of whom benefited financially from the slave trade - paying reparations to the descendants of the people who sold the slaves.

Teethyblinders · 11/06/2026 14:48

aberamagold · 11/06/2026 14:47

People didn't just 'take' slaves from Africa, they bought them - from other Africans.
If the British government paid reparations to the countries where slaves came from, it would in effect mean the descendants of British farm labourers/miners/weavers - none of whom benefited financially from the slave trade - paying reparations to the descendants of the people who sold the slaves.

Exactly. Reparations paid to other countries out of the British tax payers pocket. 95% of whom descended from impoverished farmers and factory workers who had no choice to work 12+ hours a day as kids.

BunnyLake · 11/06/2026 14:55

So who’s paying this out? Keir Starmer’s dad was a tool maker don’t you know. Maybe he needs some monetary payback too.

Are we all to do a family tree? Aren’t most of us related to that King Danny Dyer is?

SevenYellowHammers · 11/06/2026 14:59

I sympathise OP. I don’t think people born into comfortably off families realise how much you start on a back foot if you’re from a poorer background. However, I don’t think that is the same as having ancestors who were industrially enslaved.

Naunet · 11/06/2026 15:02

Daygloboo · 11/06/2026 14:41

Thats not true. My ancestors going back 200 years qere minor gentry farming in Scotland and before that they were nobility. But due to changes in farming patterns we lost land and many left for Canada. My grandad committed suicide due to a series of harsh events and my dad was left without a farher at 17 and had to do qhatevwr jobs he could get. We managed to get a comfortable lifw in rhe end again but by no means a gentry or noble life. So history is swings and roundabouts. I do think slave descendants should get compensation though because we stole from them and YK is built on the backs of incredible cruelty and frankly evil.

What other countries should pay reparations to slavery desendants? Should African countries pay any for selling their own people? Should Arabian countries that still buy black African slaves today, pay? Or is it just white people?

SpudGunToo · 11/06/2026 15:06

Backedoffhackedoff · 11/06/2026 13:38

Repatriations are not always- in fact they’re not often- cash payments to individuals. I don’t know why everyone is so fixated on that.

Repatriations for the descendants of slaves in exchange for reparations?

An interesting if controversial suggestion.

I suppose you are saying that if you receive reparations for your ancestors being forcibly removed from their homes that the quid pro who is that they are returned to those same homes?

I think it’d not be popular.

wrinklycactus · 11/06/2026 15:07

There's a word for this type of thinking OP, it's called communism. It's not an original thought and it's generally been found to be a little problematic when taken to extremes.

Naunet · 11/06/2026 15:10

Teethyblinders · 11/06/2026 14:48

Exactly. Reparations paid to other countries out of the British tax payers pocket. 95% of whom descended from impoverished farmers and factory workers who had no choice to work 12+ hours a day as kids.

Half of them were also women, living with their own forms of oppression without free choices, political power or financial freedoms. Im not sure why its only mens history in the work force that seems to matter.

whatonearthdoidoz · 11/06/2026 15:11

justasking111 · 11/06/2026 13:58

I don't agree because I know people who had a privileged childhood who work bloody hard as adults.

That's a silly argument. I don't care how hard the Duke of Westminster works, he inherited 20 odd billion's worth of real estate which gives him a bit of a different starting point no?

Equally, my kids go to private school I went to a rough inner city comp. I had to work way harder than them as I was in a class of 30 (they in 15) meaning less teacher attention, I had to teach myself subjects where the quality of the teaching at GCSE was terrible, go and seek out my own books in the library. That's just one example of where if you start off on a back foot you have to work harder to get to the same place.

Not to mention entering the world of work without a network or connections or the ability to take on unpaid internships. Meaning I had to start off on a rubbish job and work my way up to build up a decent CV (as no internships to make it impressive day one), setting me back 2-3 years, setting back buying a house 2-3 years etc. etc. etc.

BettyyB00 · 11/06/2026 15:12

Yes of course. You deserve billions, as do we all. Who gives it to us? I'm in the queue.

RestlessSnail · 11/06/2026 15:12

If you've "done alright for yourself" then you're probably doing better than some.

I'd completely agree that we need to level the playing field, but "reparations" need to focus most on those who are struggling right now.