to ask if Irish vs U.K. passport makes a difference?

[OneOfTheseNights]

Hi, some friends have emigrated from a non European country to Ireland.

They moved there with two young dc, and are wondering whether to try to get their dc Irish passports.

I know next to nothing of how they go about this, and I’m sure they are more than capable.

i just wondered, if they are applying for passports for their dc, would they benefit more from an Irish passport, or if possible, would it be better to apply for a U.K. passport ?

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If they immigrated to Ireland (presumably legally), they can apply for Irish after 5 years

Per Google
To become an Irish citizen through naturalisation, you typically need to live in Ireland legally for 5 years (60 months) out of the last 9 years

If non European, and living in Ireland, in what way would they be entitled to UK passport?

It's really not that easy and can cost a lot of money. You don't just arrive and get the right to a passport!!

No such thing as an English passport.

And the UK is a non EU country.

I’ve got both (and an Aussie one). As others have pointed out the Irish passport is better than the UK one since Brexit. But you can’t just rock up and get either one, you have to be entitled to it.

An Irish /eu passport allows you to live and work in more countries than a uk one.

but why would they be able to get a uk one?

if they have Irish citizenship then it’s probably good to get a passport incase they introduce a rule like the uk did requiring uk citizens to enter the uk on British (or Irish) passports.

No. Birth records were not affected by that fire.

No one is saying it is! But the world is full of people born in on country and living a life in another.

If they have emigrated to Ireland, tell them to apply for an Irish one. They will not be entitled to a UK passport.

Oh interesting. Thank you. I might do a hunt myself then, as, like a lot of people, I have an Irish granny. But she moved to Australia for a few years as a baby, then came back to England as her father signed up to fight in WW1.

This not fully correct. My DDad was born in Ireland so I am automatically a citizen even though I live in the UK. I am registering my DC on the Foreign Births Register so they will get citizenship.
Once my DC are registered (hopefully next month currently an 11 month processing time) then they will be able to register any children they have in the future on the FBR too and pass on their citizenship to them. This only works if someone is on the FBR before they have children i.e. they have claimed citizenship prior to having children. You can’t pass on a citizenship you didn’t hold at the time of birth because you hadn’t yet claimed it.

If you look at the Irish citizenship application site one option is that your parent is on the FBR. You can pass Irish citizenship down indefinitely provided you register on the FBR before having children.

Yep.

Parent born on the island of Ireland - citizen
Grandparent born on the i of I - eligible for FBR.
Parent on FBR at time of birth - eligible for FBR.

Unless they are in NI.

Incorrect. They do get it because their father has one. He has it because you were born in Ireland.

to qualify for Irish citizenship, and therefore a passport, one of your parents must be an Irish citizen at the time of your birth.

nothing to do with grandparents. That’s only talked about because if you have a grandparent born in Ireland, your parent is an automatic citizen so you have an Irish citizen parent. No paperwork, they don’t need to even hold a passport.

once you get past that generation if your Irish citizen parent was not born in Ireland, you need to apply to the FBR to register being born to an Irish citizen who was not born in Ireland. It’s a fair amount of paperwork and you need to have the knowledge that you need to do it. Once that is done, you are an Irish citizen, so your kids can then register on the FBR…

so most people, like you, assume you need a grandparent and don’t realise FBR can be passed down indefinitely, as long as each generation registers on the FBR before their own children are born.

Yes I thought this was the case I applying for my sons now (my mum is irish) and I think their future kids can as long as they have rhe citizenship before they have kids.

I didn't know that. Only France and Germany have a similar number of embassies to the UK, all of the other EU countries have way fewer. Typical that UK passport holders were paying to assist a whole load of people from other EU countries.