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My manager has banned all vests, skirts and shorts

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itsjustthepricewepay · Yesterday 13:32

I could cry right now.

I understand banning thin strapped vests but surely thick straps are fine? She’s also banned all shorts (including knee length) and skirts that sit at the knee. Basically we have to go down to ankle length trousers.

AIBU to genuinely consider quitting my job? Her office is air conditioned but we’re in a horrible hot sun trap!

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Popsnafflerock · Today 10:30

Completely agree @ScupperedbytheSea and I am someone who LOVES a maxi dress! I totally appreciate its not for everyone.

BIossomtoes · Today 10:35

We don't all aspire to look like respectable Tory wives from Tunbridge Wells.

I couldn’t look less like one! Dresses that allow the air to circulate are way cooler than bare skin. Look at how they dress in the Middle East.

Fizbosshoes · Today 11:19

BIossomtoes · Today 10:35

We don't all aspire to look like respectable Tory wives from Tunbridge Wells.

I couldn’t look less like one! Dresses that allow the air to circulate are way cooler than bare skin. Look at how they dress in the Middle East.

Im not sure that women's dress codes in some middle Eastern countries is all designed to keep them cool....

Popsnafflerock · Today 11:22

Fizbosshoes · Today 11:19

Im not sure that women's dress codes in some middle Eastern countries is all designed to keep them cool....

Bur even the men’s clothes is kind of loose long and covering most of their skin.

cinquanta · Today 12:16

BIossomtoes · Today 10:35

We don't all aspire to look like respectable Tory wives from Tunbridge Wells.

I couldn’t look less like one! Dresses that allow the air to circulate are way cooler than bare skin. Look at how they dress in the Middle East.

They dress like that in the Middle East to keep the sun off their skin and because, in many places, society expects women (and men) to cover up.

If you stay out of direct sunlight, anything that restricts air movement over skin, including loose fitting clothes, will reduce the amount your skin can cool.

cinquanta · Today 12:21

Popsnafflerock · Today 11:22

Bur even the men’s clothes is kind of loose long and covering most of their skin.

To protect their skin from the sun outside. Irrelevant indoors.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · Today 12:38

ScupperedbytheSea · Today 10:28

To all the posters suggesting wearing 'nice airy maxi dresses' etc. You do realise that not all women want to dress like that?

I barely own any dresses, and not of that type. They're not me, and I'm not going to start wearing them to appease someone's idea of appropriate. We don't all aspire to look like respectable Tory wives from Tunbridge Wells.

Unless there is a clear uniform provision, I'll want to wear whatever of my own clothes, of my own style, that allow me to feel comfortable in hot weather.

And yes, that includes vests in the office. I'm mid 40s, perimenopausal and run hot, and I'm much happier if my clean, deodorised armpits are allowed to air, rather than soaking into underarm material of any sort.

And I work in a corporate environment where, shock horror, men and women can wear shorts/tshirts/vests, and some women above knee skirts too.

In order to stop policing women's bodies we need to actually stop policing women's bodies.

Just because you don’t like dresses/maxi dresses, @ScupperedbytheSea, doesn’t stop them being a sensible option to suggest - among other suggestions, of course. I don’t like sleeveless tops/dresses because my upper arms are not fit for public view - but that doesn’t stop vest tops/sleeveless tops or dresses being a valid option. I’m sure a vest top can be smart enough for office wear, and I absolutely agree with you that you deserve to be comfortable at work.

YourShyLion · Today 12:43

itsjustthepricewepay · Yesterday 13:58

This is the vest. I’d say it’s appropriate.

No that's not on. It's ugly but apart from that it's not professional and noone wants armpits flapping around in offices 🤢

SleeplessInWherever · Today 12:49

YourShyLion · Today 12:43

No that's not on. It's ugly but apart from that it's not professional and noone wants armpits flapping around in offices 🤢

It’s ugly.. what a bitchy unnecessary comment.

Nobody is making you wear it, and she didn’t ask for your fashion advice. She asked how to keep cool in a hot office.

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · Today 14:21

itsjustthepricewepay · Yesterday 13:45

I’m nhs too.

Ok.

So you're not public facing but others in your organisation are.

Presumably they have dress code restrictions.

Do you think it's fair if they are restricted and you are not?

Are you in a mixed-sex environment?

Presumably the men aren't allowed in wearing vests and shorts.

Do you think its fair that they have restrictions that you do not?

If you dont like the job - leave.
If you dont like the job in the current heatwave - take some days off

You seem to think the rules could be relaxed and you'd still look professional and elegant. Can you be sure about the others in your environment?

Laurmolonlabe · Today 15:05

To be cool you want lightweight loose clothing,not short clothing.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · Today 15:30

Livpool · Yesterday 16:01

I know! Do they faint at the sight of an ankle?!

Only if the ankle is shoe free!

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · Today 15:38

MeltyMomenrs · Yesterday 16:22

In the UK, unless you're going in a strict religious building there's not a problem with exposed shoulders. Not amongst normal people anyway.

What you think about shoulders and 'normal' people is sort of neither here nor there as OP has posted her employers dress code - which explicitly states no "tops or blouses that expose the midriff or shoulders"

RitaIncognita · Today 15:56

To all these posters telling the OP what actually is cooler dressing, it's a personal thing. People are different. I live in a hot climate. Thankfully, air conditioning is as normal and expected as electricity, so I have seldom had to pay much attention to what I wear indoors to say cool, but if I have to spend a day in 95 F weather, I prefer shorts and a tank top (as we call vest tops in the US), not a flowy midi or maxi and certainly not wide flowing trousers.

It's a matter of personal preference, not some universal notion of what people should wear to stay cooler.

The one time the AC failed in my workplace and it took several days to fix, we wore what we wanted to stay cool. I wore shorts and a tank top. But then again, my colleagues were used to seeing my arms (regularly worn sleeveless dresses and tops) so they were not unduly shocked.

Restrictive dress codes in a heat wave where there is no AC is mistreatment of employees, in my opinion. Client facing or not, but especially in non-public facing jobs. My guess would be that even in public-facing jobs said public would also be dressed for the heat.

JohnofWessex · Today 15:58

In the meanwhile has the OP taken any action such as raising it with the Union HR etc

Ernestinepine · Today 16:49

I work from home, but when I’m on calls I always cover my shoulders with a light shirt/ a cardi when I’m wearing a vest top as it feels inappropriate otherwise

Wolmando · Today 17:10

When I'm at work I don't particularly want to see peoples thighs and underarms

Popsnafflerock · Today 17:11

cinquanta · Today 12:21

To protect their skin from the sun outside. Irrelevant indoors.

Yep, I am aware of that. That was my point, that some people wear clothes like that to keep themselves cool.

SapphireSeptember · Today 17:12

MeltyMomenrs · Yesterday 14:39

@itsjustthepricewepay

HR

you work for the NHS not her little tin pot dictatorship.

This woman is enforcing her own cultural or religious beliefs on your department & needs shoving back in her box!

I was thinking there's something more to it. A sleeveless top is fine (I used to own a very posh dark red velvet one and a grey silk one.) My church is weird about shoulders, although knee length skirts are fine.

I was also allowed to wear shorts at work. I wore them even in the winter one year as I was pregnant and always boiling.

GeorgeMichaelsCat · Today 17:29

Sorry OP, that outfit looks like you are wearing pyjamas to bed, not and outfit to work in.

cleansun · Today 17:33

GeorgeMichaelsCat · Today 17:29

Sorry OP, that outfit looks like you are wearing pyjamas to bed, not and outfit to work in.

She’s already said several times she wasn’t wearing the shorts

Easterchicken · Today 17:48

Completely depends on industry and if you have to see clients ... And who those clients are

I work with alot of professionals and one child protection meeting I chaired a probation officer walked in in a tiny skirt and a tight vest with her boobs spilling out

She wasn't a small girl either and was announcing how she was too warm and too big for this weather

The father inquest in the cp meeting was a registered sex offender

So there are some professions where I do agree with covering up

If you are just in an office answering complaints about broadband though I don't see an issue with wearing what ever makes you happy and comfortable

GeorgeMichaelsCat · Today 17:51

cleansun · Today 17:33

She’s already said several times she wasn’t wearing the shorts

Doesn't change my response. That top is not professional.

SmallHoneLiving · Today 17:52

BridgetJonesV2 · Yesterday 13:36

Sorry but no one wants exposed arm pits out in this heat. I'm with her on that.

Except that this is precisely what armpits are designed to do, releasing body heat!

Joanneken · Today 17:57

AnneElliott · Yesterday 13:35

I can understand banning shorts - no one wants to see people dressed for the beach. But knee length skirts seem a bit harsh! What do you normally Elly wear and are there any H&S considerations?

When I worked in a lab, we had to we’re gowns and masks whatever the temp but were a bowed cycling shorts and a vest top underneath as long as no one outside staff members saw you looking like that.

So no shorts for men because you are judgemental, but skirts for women are fine, because that suits you? Christ.