To ask where has all the money gone/where does it go

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DH and I are late forties.

It feels like the country is crumbling around us and there is just no money for anything.

I've just seen something showing the tax thresholds that have been frozen for decades and this got me thinking where does all the tax go.

Why does the country feel so poor these days? Is it a slow.decline due to Brexit or it is world wide events wars etc that are biting.

The ridiculous summer savings scheme is hardly going to help but what can the govt actually do to get the wheels of the economy turning again.

There must some money but where has it all gone?

This isn't political just a genuine puzzlement that we are paying more tax than ever but the country and lots of people in it are skint.

It's not the cost of "one injection" though is it? Assisted dying as often described involves a committee of decision makers, including doctors, judiciary, social services, family, etc., to agree to kill someone. It will never be on the "say so" of a single ward doctor, so it's not just the cost of the jab, it's all the staffing, management, administration, etc for the checks and balances to evidence that all relevant parties agree.

Still a damn sight cheaper than a team twice the size of all that being continually involved in care for that one persons for years and years and years. I really don’t understand why you’re labouring this point.

Unless it’s that you actually begrudge even that one little injection for death with dignity and would prefer deaths by infection, starvation and thirst due to lack of staff? It does rather look like that will happen.

We’re nowhere close to going cap in hand to the IMF. Meanwhile this article appeared in The Telegraph today.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/pensions/state-pensions/triple-lock-cannot-last-forever-scrapping-it-now-disaster

How much do you think a lethal dose of drugs costs?

Lol, you think that’s what the cost would be?! Think on a bit more…

People with advanced dementia need 24/7 care sometimes for years. My mum died of dementia, before she moved to a care home it took a team of 13 people to meet her needs - I counted them.

Not every old person has dementia though….

Exactly, dying with dignity is expensive!

I wasn’t recommending a mass cull of older people, just those who wish to die with a modicum of dignity before dementia steals their personality. If you’re so concerned about the expense - which is far less than pointlessly keeping them alive for years - the assessment could always carry a fee.

I didn't say we were. I never mentioned timescales.

You’re constantly asserting it as a certainty.

Oh of course. Couldn’t possibly impact the pensioners now who are the richest cohort ever seen could we now? Naturally we have to wait until the next generation, the one who’s been taking all the impacts of paying for everything over and over again but haven’t actually rebelled yet, because we see what happens every time, the bosses turn out the police and courts and will turn out the army on us if it gets ugly. Mustn’t upset the pensioners, preserve the illusion of social order for them even though it costs the country for everyone else.

If you’re so concerned about the expense - which is far less than pointlessly keeping them alive for years - the assessment could always carry a fee.

It’s not my concern! It’s not something I have made up!

I think it would be good to have a choice

The triple lock conundrum, its should be stopped but it’s upcoming pensioners who need it more than the current ones.

It’s not just about current pensioners. It applies to older members of Gen X as well.

But, for the coming decade at the very least, millions of people are set to reach retirement heavily dependent on the state pension because of our slow progress in building up a new private pension system. We simply cannot pull the rug from beneath them by watering down the vital support provided by the state pension, uprated by the triple lock.

Unless it’s that you actually begrudge even that one little injection for death with dignity and would prefer deaths by infection, starvation and thirst due to lack of staff? It does rather look like that will happen

This doesn’t even make sense.

Acknowledging that assisted dying costs money & governments will be reluctant to spend on that doesn’t mean you think it’s a good thing that older people die of neglect. How bizarre!

@BIossomtoes

This might help you understand why it’s a bit more complicated than someone walking in with a needle.

www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/research/assisted-dying-in-practice-international-experiences-and-implications-for-health-and-social-care

Thank you for patronising me. I’m well aware of that. A cost benefit analysis will still show that the costs of keeping someone alive for years as they deteriorate exceed those of allowing them a dignified death.

@ladyrinthsWell look on the elderly parents board and you will find many harrowing cases of abuse of the elderly by the state. For many there does need to be an alternative but palliative care experts, religious folk and others simply won’t see what death is really like for thousands of people. Choice should be available. If people want a harrowing death, fine. If you don’t, the state should respect that.

People can't just be helped along though can they. A very very elderly relative is as we speak receiving extremely costly and risky surgery. He can't say " No Thanks". Neither can his family.
It's appalling.

The " trick " is to plan ahead I think.

@ladyrinths This is the post that caused me to think some would prefer it. Yours I believe? I do consider it a bizarre option. We treat dogs better.

Mustn’t upset the pensioners

Myself and my partner are pensioners, we are working, we have to. The ageism is disgusting.

International wealth hoarding. The super rich are able to hide their money offshore in tax havens. All totally legal and all countries face the same issue. The gap between rich and poor widens every year.

Anyone can refuse surgery if they don’t want it. That’s why you have to sign a consent form.

Good point. Germany’s economy in particular is in a terrible state, can’t blame that on leaving the EU.

It's terribly sad. They are being manipulated really. How can the poor person choose to die? The urge to survive can be very strong indeed.

My understanding is that the money is seeping into the hands of a small percentage of the population who are growing ever richer at the expense of the rest of the majority. This has been growing in speed over the past few decades. There's a reason that so many billionaires fund political parties. I think that might explain why it doesn't matter who actually governs, the results are the same.

@WaryCrow Well I suggest you reread what I wrote or work on your comprehension 🤷🏻‍♀️