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AIBU to be horrified by this story of child abandonment?

171 replies

Bullseyebutnotthenineties · Yesterday 18:46

Has anyone seen this story? Sorry, struggling to link it.
A french mother and stepfather in Portugal abandoned their/her 3 year old and 5 year old in the woods.
Apparently they blindfolded them and told them they were playing a treasure hunt game and to wait, then take the blindfold off when they’d hidden the toy/prize.
They then left them there 😢
The boys were found on the side of the road by a lovely Portuguese man, who cried during his interview when talking about the boys. They were crying for their real dad apparently
The real dad, resident in France, had informed the authorities that the boys had been kidnapped by the mother (who has custody of them) and taken out of the country. She also left her other 16 year old son at home in France.
The couple were apparently found two hours away sitting on a terrace having a coffee and pastry.
The boys had little backpacks on with a bottle of water, change of clothes, sandwich and piece of fruit in.

There are no words, those poor poor boys
What on earth could make a mother do this?

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canuckup · Yesterday 20:06

MH is bullshit

Take care of your kid

She was singing opera apparently

Feckless

Tigerbalmshark · Yesterday 20:06

HermioneWeasley · Yesterday 19:51

One of them had the presence of mind to pla a blindfolding game and pack them bags with a few essentials in. Someone who does that is not insane.

thank goodness they were found by someone kind.

Agree, there was so much planning it is hard to pretend it was either insanity or accidental in some way.

I just can’t imagine what the motive was though. They obviously didn’t want the boys dead or they wouldn’t have packed water or spare clothes (plus there are far easier ways). Abandonment clearly was never going to work because 5 year olds know who they are and where they live. McCann-style fame and media attention? But the boys would either be found alive and spill the beans, or be found with provisions so you’d immediately come under suspicion.

So I am left with it being a really really cruel prank on the boys just for the sadism of it, and intending to go back for them once they’d properly traumatised them. Which is horrific, and I just do not understand why anyone would do that.

TomatoSandwiches · Yesterday 20:07

They were very lucky to be found by such a lovely man.

I have nothing to say about the parents that left them, I don't understand their motives at all.

BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 20:08

They were 100 miles away when they were arrested so not sure they were intending to go back

BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 20:09

I’m not sure the man deserves to be called their parent or step dad tbh. He’s the mothers boyfriend

TommorrowsToday · Yesterday 20:12

I read somewhere (and I think it was somewhere credible) that the single biggest statistical predictor in cases of child abuse was the presence of a step parent/live in partner...

It wasn't addiction, family history of abuse, abject poverty, it was a step parent.

Why would a mother do this? It beggars belief, but I'd bet my bottom dollar it wouldn't have happened without the existance of her partner.

HelenaWaiting · Yesterday 20:16

Bullseyebutnotthenineties · Yesterday 19:15

Why, what was the Tania Clarence case? I haven’t heard of this

Mother in Greater London with three seriously disabled under-fives. She smothered them, iirc. Lots of questions around her mental health, lack of support, non-responsive services. Awful case.

BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 20:16

HelenaWaiting · Yesterday 20:16

Mother in Greater London with three seriously disabled under-fives. She smothered them, iirc. Lots of questions around her mental health, lack of support, non-responsive services. Awful case.

That was a dreadful case and I’m not sure why pp jumped to that as a potential parallel

Petrie999 · Yesterday 20:19

Tigerbalmshark · Yesterday 20:06

Agree, there was so much planning it is hard to pretend it was either insanity or accidental in some way.

I just can’t imagine what the motive was though. They obviously didn’t want the boys dead or they wouldn’t have packed water or spare clothes (plus there are far easier ways). Abandonment clearly was never going to work because 5 year olds know who they are and where they live. McCann-style fame and media attention? But the boys would either be found alive and spill the beans, or be found with provisions so you’d immediately come under suspicion.

So I am left with it being a really really cruel prank on the boys just for the sadism of it, and intending to go back for them once they’d properly traumatised them. Which is horrific, and I just do not understand why anyone would do that.

Perhaps the backpacks were in case the boys were found, to act as a false story? But the hope was that they wouldn't be? Those supplies would not have lasted long

Papster · Yesterday 20:22

Bullseyebutnotthenineties · Yesterday 18:46

Has anyone seen this story? Sorry, struggling to link it.
A french mother and stepfather in Portugal abandoned their/her 3 year old and 5 year old in the woods.
Apparently they blindfolded them and told them they were playing a treasure hunt game and to wait, then take the blindfold off when they’d hidden the toy/prize.
They then left them there 😢
The boys were found on the side of the road by a lovely Portuguese man, who cried during his interview when talking about the boys. They were crying for their real dad apparently
The real dad, resident in France, had informed the authorities that the boys had been kidnapped by the mother (who has custody of them) and taken out of the country. She also left her other 16 year old son at home in France.
The couple were apparently found two hours away sitting on a terrace having a coffee and pastry.
The boys had little backpacks on with a bottle of water, change of clothes, sandwich and piece of fruit in.

There are no words, those poor poor boys
What on earth could make a mother do this?

It’s horrific.
I can’t envisage their mentality

PermanentTemporary · Yesterday 20:25

Just horrific.

Hope to God that their father is actually ok with them.

I do think this when MN is saying ‘leave your husband, there will be someone lovely out there who will love you and your kids the way you deserve.’ Or maybe there will be a future like this.

Passingthrough123 · Yesterday 20:26

A mother who neatly packs two backpacks with extra clothes and food and drink knows exactly what she's doing – to excuse her behaviour as a MH breakdown is ridiculous. She and the boyfriend were overheard agreeing to pretend they were crazy but the timeline of what they did – packing the bags, being specific about the treasure hunt, being arrested while having a leisurely lunch – means they'll hopefully be sent down for a long time. As a PP said, it's pure dumb luck the boys were found unscathed.

FlyingApple · Yesterday 20:27

It really upset me. I don't know how she could do this to these little boys. I'm so sorry for them that they don't have a normal mother. Just awful.

Bullseyebutnotthenineties · Yesterday 20:27

BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 19:48

Actually I think a plus side is that kids are quite resilient and if she had set it up as a game they may have still been in that mind set - let’s go find mum. It’s probably once they were found and the police were there that the realisation hit that it wasn’t a game.

thank goodness they’re being looked after now

They were found on the side of the road crying and calling to the man in the car

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AgnesX · Yesterday 20:30

Jeez, those poor kids. The more I read about some adult behaviour the more I'm lost. What is it with some adults.

BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 20:30

Oh I hadn’t read that. Thank god they found the road. Hopefully they only realised it wasn’t a game when they couldn’t see the car and they weren’t there that long

it does sound like it was remote. I wonder if the plan was to wait a few days and then go back and claim they had lost the boys on a hike.

it’s hard as a mother to get your head around it so it’s easier for a lot of people to assume she’s mad or manipulated

PoppinjayPolly · Yesterday 20:31

Petrie999 · Yesterday 20:19

Perhaps the backpacks were in case the boys were found, to act as a false story? But the hope was that they wouldn't be? Those supplies would not have lasted long

I absolutely they’ll have hoped what the rest of us would see as the worst happening, then blaming the children for their own death and having it recorded as “misadventure”.

Bullseyebutnotthenineties · Yesterday 20:35

Tigerbalmshark · Yesterday 20:06

Agree, there was so much planning it is hard to pretend it was either insanity or accidental in some way.

I just can’t imagine what the motive was though. They obviously didn’t want the boys dead or they wouldn’t have packed water or spare clothes (plus there are far easier ways). Abandonment clearly was never going to work because 5 year olds know who they are and where they live. McCann-style fame and media attention? But the boys would either be found alive and spill the beans, or be found with provisions so you’d immediately come under suspicion.

So I am left with it being a really really cruel prank on the boys just for the sadism of it, and intending to go back for them once they’d properly traumatised them. Which is horrific, and I just do not understand why anyone would do that.

It does seem just pure evil.
They were found on a cafe terrace around two hours away, so unlikely if they did intend to go back for them, they’d be there? It just doesn’t make sense

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Bullseyebutnotthenineties · Yesterday 20:37

BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 20:08

They were 100 miles away when they were arrested so not sure they were intending to go back

Yes exactly. How the hell could she be sat on a terrace in the sun drinking coffee and eating pastries, it’s unfathomable

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fantam · Yesterday 20:38

The birth father only has visitation rights under supervision. Read that in Le Monde. Seems they were reported missing on 11th May and found on 19th. It's unclear when exactly the boys were abandoned though.

Sounds to me like the mother put herself and her relationship with her partner first, as is often the case and it sounds like the partner didn't want to have two little boys interrupt their lives. So mother complied in order to keep him sweet. I'm only surmising, but that kind of thing is not unheard of either is it?.

www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2026/05/23/french-mother-and-partner-detained-after-boys-found-abandoned-in-portugal_6753755_4.html

WiddlinDiddlin · Yesterday 20:39

I've read numerous versions of events here, where a car driver called the police on spotting the boys, where they were rescued taken home and fed by a rather fairytale sounding man and his ten children, where they were picked up by police still by the side of the road..

I don't know whats true and whats not now.

mrsbowes · Yesterday 20:43

Children are not resilient.
They are much less resilient than adults, they are vulnerable and developing and easily damaged.
The idea that 'children are resilient' lets a lot of shitty behaviour off the hook - awful things that happen to you when you are 3 or 5 years old are hugely more damaging than awful things that happen to you when you are a fully formed 30 or 50 year old.

FluentOP · Yesterday 20:43

I saw that headline in the news and I couldn’t look at it as just reading the headline made me so sad and I know that I would keep thinking about it. I can’t quite believe that people like that live amongst us. Those poor children.

Bullseyebutnotthenineties · Yesterday 20:45

PoppinjayPolly · Yesterday 20:31

I absolutely they’ll have hoped what the rest of us would see as the worst happening, then blaming the children for their own death and having it recorded as “misadventure”.

Yes it makes sense, so she just wanted her own children dead or to face a horrific fate, why on earth, it’s just horrendous

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Bullseyebutnotthenineties · Yesterday 20:46

fantam · Yesterday 20:38

The birth father only has visitation rights under supervision. Read that in Le Monde. Seems they were reported missing on 11th May and found on 19th. It's unclear when exactly the boys were abandoned though.

Sounds to me like the mother put herself and her relationship with her partner first, as is often the case and it sounds like the partner didn't want to have two little boys interrupt their lives. So mother complied in order to keep him sweet. I'm only surmising, but that kind of thing is not unheard of either is it?.

www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2026/05/23/french-mother-and-partner-detained-after-boys-found-abandoned-in-portugal_6753755_4.html

But why not go to social services and hand them over and say you can’t cope?

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