AIBU to be upset about changes to women-only swimming ponds?

[Bertiebiscuit]

The BBC (blokes broadcasting corporation) trolling women again - since they now let males in it's not a Ladies' pond any more - so there are 3 swimming ponds, a mixed sex one, a mens'pond......... And another mixed one. How greedy and destructive the TRAs are. Women must have nothing.

And the one more recently.

That's unlawful. They can't allow some men and not other men.

You know that the responses from women who objected were excluded (as in binned)?

sure, dude

Which is unlawful, because that’s women + some men

Even if the results of the consultation were valid (and I doubt it) you can't just consult your way out of the law.

Imagine something like club of car enthusiasts holding a 'consultation' on obeying the speed limit. 🙄

Last time I went there, about 5 years ago, an elderly man wearing a childlike bikini asked two young women to adjust his bikini top and was asking them if naked showering was allowed 🤮

This is the problem. Women only facilities that actually allow men in are a magnet for perverted men.

Not any more, no, because the whole point was that there would be no men there. Now there are men swimming there.

Exactly

And why people are pretending not to understand this is beyond me. It's women who suffer at the hands of perverted men.

I don’t think anyone here believes they do.

The survey results are interesting though.

60.5% of respondents are some variety of LGBT or Q, and 6% are trans.

Obviously those people have a right to be counted as much as anyone else does. Also responses from that group won’t have been monolithic.

But equally obviously that is nothing like a representative sample of people who use or might use the ponds.

In fact the response base is so different from the general community that the ponds are there to serve, it discredits the exercise.

Can you all protest? Go swim in the men's pool. Like loads of you. Say you're men.

I am not anti trans at all. But there is already a provision for trans people. They are able to use the mixed pool. It's not that trans women would be forced to use the men's space, there's no valid reason to take away the women's single sex space.

They actually had a perfect set up, everyone was provided for

It's been done. The men called the police.

It has been done.

Your point about the set up is one that we keep pointing out. Mixed sex options keep being rejected. Over the past couple of days, this rejection is surely becoming very clear. The male people who demand access to female single sex provisions don’t want to have their identity rejected. Part of the issues we face, is because they seek full validation and the power to force all female people to accept male people’s subjective belief about themselves that is not based on material reality.

To me, it seems like those male people exerting power over female people.

Now the EHRC guidance is out they have no excuse to not follow the law. I want these males out of our spaces. They are already well provided for.

Exactly. It included everyone.

now women who don’t want to change and swim with men have nowhere to go. It excludes some women.

Yeah when you look at the demographic makeup of the responses it’s very clear that that was highjacked by trans activists

I'll come down & frighten him
off for you!

I thought all this had been resolved last summer?

im too far away to use them these days.

I use it and I don't want it to be mixed sex. It also means I can no longer attend with my religious friends. A Muslim friend and I used to go on occasion, but sadly she can no longer use it.

Another example of being inclusive and actually ending up being exclusive.

I work 10 minutes up the road and would love to use it, but don't because I wouldn't feel safe.

I took part in the ManFriday protest swims in the men's pond. Last time, the staff took two of the protesters' belongings and threw them in the bin, including car keys. I have no faith that if a man in the ladies pond was behaving in the way some PPs have experienced, the staff would do anything other than vilify the women who complained.

I think there is the misconception that comes from only listening to people from within a narrow frame work. That is where you see these empty accusations of, none of you live there and you are the minority.

I wonder sometimes whether those repeating the line that it is only the minority of women who care about this actually understand the issues clearly or understand just how poll after poll is showing that it is the majority of the UK who want female single sex provisions and this is replicated in polling around the world.

It really must make some people feel good about themselves to diminish the needs of female people so much that they then rely of false statements that come across as platitudes to prop up their own misinformed views.

Fully agree! , many people, including myself and all the women ( and men ) I know or engage with don’t believe or agree with this at all!
the reason why we don’t say this out loud or in public is because of the immediate abuse and name calling it provokes!
it isn’t cowardice but a real worry , when people are being doxed , threatened with rape and violence, why would any sensible person want to expose themselves and their family to that?
the silent majority just voted quietly instead, however change will come as we teach our children to ignore these things and believe in the material truth.

What, how do men get access to all three? And women nothing of their own

Will this change it so women get it back?