Net migration lowest on record since 2012

[FernFaery]

AIBU to think Starmer will get zero credit for this and people will continue to say he’s inept and the worst PM ever?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgzjpd1jjgt

Why is it his fault?

YANBU. Starmer can do literally nothing at this point that people will approve of.

I’ve seen umpteen posts this afternoon bemoaning the free bus travel for children over the summer. It’s mad. Theres objectively nothing bad about letting children use buses for free for 6/8 weeks. But I’ve read everything from that it’s pointless because no one can afford to go anywhere anyway to nothings free it just means taxpayers are paying for it (insinuating children are scroungers because they don’t pay tax 🤷)

In my opinion it is not about the net amount. How many highly skilled workers have we lost and how many have we gained, how many will require tax payer support etc? Those figures are far more important as the change in demographic has a far greater impact on the country than the overall number.

It isn’t, that’s the whole point. He’s done bloody well, and I’m not a Labour voter most of the time.

Apologies, I misread the way you wrote it.

They cant blame him for this though, christ how many PMs have we had since 2012 who kept chopping amd changing the rules.

I am not in the slightest surprised our figures are down, we are a shit show.

But it's still 4 times what it was in 2002. It's still 92,000. In ten years that's the population of Glasgow. So where do you plan to build another Glasgow. And we are giving France millions to stop it. And that's based on last year which had a pretty shit summer stopping the small boats coming because of the weather.

But your right it's not Starmer's fault. It's the fault of the politicians who decided to give immediate benefits to migrants. To put them in hotels rather than army camps/boats/send them Ruanda.

It's the fault of the politicians who allowed students to bring "dependent families". If you're a student you ain't working so how can a family be dependent on you.

It's the fault of the politicians who didn't bring into law that asylum seekers don't have to apply for asylum in the first safe country they come to.

It's the fault of the media who have softened People to the idea of asylum...the BBC has done countless programmes about the French camps for example. Even a radio documentary about a guy who smuggle in a little girl for her father...who told him he was from Afghanistan but in fact in was Iran (then a much safer place than now) and had in fact stolen her from her mother. But they never asked why they want to come to the UK. Or the radio 4 book of the week about the Afghan family who were given right to remain in Austria...but still smuggled there very ill child to the UK. It took 4 attempts. He lived to 36 after arriving at 14, never worked and being treated by the NHS. At the time the book was published Austria has the 7th best health care in the world. The UK 14th. The difference. You have to pay for care in Austria.

The fact that the UK and Sweden are prime destinations...no one asks why. I know loads of middle class people who would love to live in France...the people in small boats are already there...

Whereas in scotland buses are free for all kids/students in possession of a Scotnet card.

Do people complain about it there?

Isn't some bus travel free for kids in London already? I think it's a great idea to extend it to other parts of the country.

Tbh many people don't want immigration cut blindly.

The reason it is not a good news story for me is that it harms international student recruitment which is essential to our education sector, and I don't think we are seeing a lot of skilled workers in that pot.

I personally don't vote on immigration as it is not that important to me, but in so far as I care, we have seen a huge cut in high-quality immigrants who benefit us, whilst seeing continued victims of trafficking and people smuggling - who deserve support but are probably a net cost.

Well, why would he get the credit, when even the BBC acknowledge this is largely down to measures put in place by the last Conservative government?
Just been listening to it on Radio Four, they were quite clear about that.

And I say that as someone who doesn't give a toss about immigration or who votes Tory...

Still facts eh? So last century.

I’m not seeing a victory the majority leaving with be tax payers and a good few of high tax payers
and these have been replaced with people taking out of the pot instead of of putting in

politicians who decided to give immediate benefits to migrants.

Except we don't. Depending on what type of migrant they are, they get subsistence until their application is processed.

To put them in hotels

It isn't exactly 5 star luxury though. When most people think of a hotel room, they think of themselves, maybe with a partner with a nice double bed and an en suite. They don't think of four or five single beds in that same room all sharing the same bathroom. And not always with family members either.

It's the fault of the politicians who allowed students to bring "dependent families"

Can you quote the source of this please?

It's the fault of the politicians who didn't bring into law that asylum seekers don't have to apply for asylum in the first safe country they come to.

That's pretty much all of them, in every country then, although the UK made it worse by insisting you have to actually be on British soil in order to apply, hence everyone trying to get here in order to apply.

BBC has done countless programmes about the French camps

Like the one at Sangatte that closed over 20 years ago?

The fact that the UK and Sweden are prime destinations...no one asks why.

I think everyone asks why. Even when we were part of the EU, the UK acceptance rate was one of the lowest. There were more levers available even then than the government chose to pull. The smuggling gangs are selling a dream that is not real, although arguably being many to a room in a hotel is preferable to where some of the people arriving here come from.

ETA - asylum applications have also dropped 12%, and arrivals are reducing in line with net migration.

I would like to see more in depth analysis.
How many of those leaving are skilled workers, high rate tax payers, drs leaving as unable to get a place on a training scheme? Vs how many immigrants are highly skilled higher tax payers for example.
Like or not, these people keep public services funded.

Yes because the unruly behaviour on the buses is worsening. They sit on buses all afternoon on a Friday afternoon and the weekend shouting and yelling and taking up double seats with one person. My son in law is a driver and it's got a whole lot worse since free travel was introduced. By all means have free travel too and from school but cap it at a set number of journeys a day. It's awful being a passenger in Edinburgh.

YANBU

We're discovering the one thing that terrifies Reformites more than brown people in their schools and hospitals:

Getting what they wanted, and having nothing left to complain about.

But that's not the main argument that was made, is it? That's not why we had to suffer Brexit and all its consequences just to satisfy the economically illiterate racists.

The discourse leading up to it, and since, was VERY MUCH about the net amount.

But of course now that's being sorted (and, shock horror - not making us any richer) the goalposts need to be moved, pronto!

Net = in minus out

People who have had enough are leaving

It's the net migration figure. Which means that it's the difference between people who have left and people coming in. Seeing high earners/higher rate taxpayers leave the country and being replaced with lower earners is no cause for celebration.

I agree about more detail. And that this government will get no credit for any reduction.

As for international students, far too many low standard institutions are propped up by them, which is not good in my opinion.

Same will apply in many places in August no doubt as there is free travel for children.

Net migration figure for info:

2000 158,000

2001 173,000

2002 153,000

2003 148,000

2004 268,000

2005 267,000

2006 266,000

2007 218,000

2008 163,000

2009 198,000

2010 252,000

2011 216,000

2012 177,000

2013 209,000

2014 223,000

2015 329,000

2016 248,000

2017 285,000

2018 258,000

2019 271,000

2020 93,000

2021 184,000

2022 745,000

2023 906,000

2024 649,000

2025 171,000

Net = in minus out
People who have had enough are leaving

.........

It's the net migration figure. Which means that it's the difference between people who have left and people coming in. Seeing high earners/higher rate taxpayers leave the country and being replaced with lower earners is no cause for celebration.

But there hasn't been any significant increase in the number of people leaving.

Quick! make up another reason to complain about it! 😂

Did you not see the figures for net migration when the Tories were in?
Net migration

2000 158,000

2001 173,000

2002 153,000

2003 148,000

2004 268,000

2005 267,000

2006 266,000

2007 218,000

2008 163,000

2009 198,000

2010 252,000

2011 216,000

2012 177,000

2013 209,000

2014 223,000

2015 329,000

2016 248,000

2017 285,000

2018 258,000

2019 271,000

2020 93,000

2021 184,000

2022 745,000

2023 906,000

2024 649,000

2025 171,000

We also have to thank the Conservatives for the Boris wave (1,000,000) immigrants.