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To think people on benefits can’t win

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Flamingosareflummoxed · 21/05/2026 07:35

I’ve heard so many people this week, in real life, moaning about people on benefits. I get it that we are all struggling. The cost of living is crippling.
But every week there are posts on here from women who were in 70K per year HR positions who are finding it difficult to get interviews for MW jobs.
There are no jobs.
The few jobs that there are will be flooded with applications, why would recruiters chose someone who has been unemployed for years?
Plus all those with long term disabilities who need reasonable adjustments.
Its like people want to bash people knowing there is no real alternative.

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Sartre · 21/05/2026 09:47

Monty36 · 21/05/2026 09:45

The NMW combined with working tax credits has meant everyone with a modest job can not progress and everyone ends up on almost the same money.
It wasn’t always like that. People sought to move up at work. To get more pay. And they could. Sometimes employers needed workers and had to put their hand in their pockets, sometimes it was the other way around. But it motivated people.
These need to wither on the vine as the expression goes.

The issue is not every job has much in the way of a promotion e.g you could get a min wage job at McDonald’s and be promoted to manager eventually but they don’t earn much more and not everyone can become manager. Min wage isn’t high enough but every time it’s increased small businesses collapse so it’s tricky, I don’t know what the solution is.

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 21/05/2026 09:49

We always expect some unemployment as every country does. Hoeever benefits aren’t just for not working are they? They are for part time working by choice when you could work more. They are for just about every ailment going and we have millions and millions getting benefits. If you add in pensions, our benefits bill equals our tax take. We borrow for everything else. The economy needs to grow and we need to cut the benefits spend. We live beyond our means big time!

Greenwitchart · 21/05/2026 09:49

GoodkneeBadKnee · 21/05/2026 07:44

There are jobs. Loads of them.

Let's look at the facts rather than the propaganda:

  • Job vacancies decreased February to April 2026 by 28,000 (3.9%) vacancies, the lowest number of jobs available in 5 years
  • Unemployment rates have just jumped by 5%
  • They are about 705,000 job vacancies and 1.81 million people unemployed
  • Industries like retail and hospitality have been stopped recruiting as they used to because they are struggling
  • Many employers are starting to replace staff with AI
  • Some groups of job seekers such as young people, disabled people and older workers face additional barriers because employers are reluctant to employ them.

So no, there are not ''loads of jobs'' and many of the jobs available will be low pay, 0 hour contracts where people have no choice but to claim benefits to top up their poverty wage to survive.

I think as a country we really need to have an informed and honest conversation about where the world of work is going and accept that there are just not enough jobs for everyone right now.

Benefit bashing is parroted by the right wing media and politicians but it does not address anything and simply ignores reality.

Lavender14 · 21/05/2026 09:50

I think sometimes we over simplify the discussion.

A lot of skilled professionals who have been let go aren't automatically rushing to do minimum wage jobs because they know they don't have the experience, they know they'll be more expensive to pay than a teenager, they know the companies know it'll be essentially a short term stop gap and then they'll need to rehire and it doesn't fit with a cv.

The other aspect of this is many mw jobs involve shifts and many adults have responsibilities of some type that make shift work impossible for some extremely difficult for others. As a lone parent to a toddler with limited childcare support I can't do shift work any more and had to change career in order to get out of it even though i was highly skilled in the sector i was working in.

Many, many people on benefits are working. I get benefits and work full time. It covers half of my childcare bill which is what enables me to go to work in the first place.

I previously worked with people who were NEET and the issues around why people are on long term benefits are usually really complex even when on the surface it looks like laziness. It's usually tied up in issues with confidence, not seeing people in their area succeeding and therefore low aspirations and total disillusionment, lots of negative experiences in the work place etc or generational trauma. In rural areas especially work is not easy to come by and in many areas the infrastructure isn't there for people to actually get to the nearest town for work for 9am unless they drive and with car prices and insurance so high now especially for first time buyers that's out of reach unless you're earning well.

The pp who mentioned about how bad the UK is at preventative work is absolutely right on the money. And these conversations often feed into that. People feel squeezed and are struggling so they start to look around and judge others rather than looking to their government and criticising the policies and spending that's caused the issues in the first place. And the government encourage this through careful use of media.

What we actually need is caps on hmos and multiple properties, a better childcare package that supports families, a home office that enables asylum seeking people to work while they wait on their application being processed and a better commitment to the community voluntary sector which is the sector that helps people who are struggling and takes pressure off all other core services.

What we don't need is a further rise in poverty (which is inevitably what a further cut in benefits access would mean) and all of the generational problems that come with that. If you want to live in a nice functioning society then you have to look after the people who are the most vulnerable and least able to care for themselves. I think people really forget that when they pay taxes and it goes towards benefits, that is what they're actually paying for and it does actually benefit them. It's just not an obvious, visible benefit as it's a preventative measure that we know statistically reduces crime, asb, improves health outcomes, and prevents intergenerational trauma and the social legacy that comes with that.

LoyalMember · 21/05/2026 09:51

Greenwitchart · 21/05/2026 09:49

Let's look at the facts rather than the propaganda:

  • Job vacancies decreased February to April 2026 by 28,000 (3.9%) vacancies, the lowest number of jobs available in 5 years
  • Unemployment rates have just jumped by 5%
  • They are about 705,000 job vacancies and 1.81 million people unemployed
  • Industries like retail and hospitality have been stopped recruiting as they used to because they are struggling
  • Many employers are starting to replace staff with AI
  • Some groups of job seekers such as young people, disabled people and older workers face additional barriers because employers are reluctant to employ them.

So no, there are not ''loads of jobs'' and many of the jobs available will be low pay, 0 hour contracts where people have no choice but to claim benefits to top up their poverty wage to survive.

I think as a country we really need to have an informed and honest conversation about where the world of work is going and accept that there are just not enough jobs for everyone right now.

Benefit bashing is parroted by the right wing media and politicians but it does not address anything and simply ignores reality.

Edited

What the f#ck are you talking about? 705,000 job vacancies is a lot.

Conversationalcheddar · 21/05/2026 09:52

My MIL is on benefits because she doesn’t “want to be managed by someone younger than” her. I know she doesn’t represent everyone on benefits, but she is one of the people that people get annoyed about. She has always felt that way, has just never wanted to be managed because she gets offended by it. But has literally zero work experience and nothing beyond basic school qualifications so obviously cannot walk into a management position.

She’s recently changed to disability benefits because of obesity-related health concerns and was proudly saying to DH that she’s going to sell her car because her PIP entitles her to a “free luxury car”… not sure it does, but it’s this sort of dialogue that pisses people off. Again, doesn’t represent everyone on benefits but doesn’t exactly help the image of those on benefits either.

Butterme · 21/05/2026 09:54

SerenitySeeker4 · 21/05/2026 09:02

People act like being on benefits is some luxury lifestyle when half the country is one redundancy or illness away from needing help themselves. If people with years of experience can’t even get minimum wage interviews right now, what exactly are disabled people, carers, or those out of work long-term supposed to do? The anger should be aimed at the state of the economy and lack of opportunities, not at people already struggling.

Exactly!!!

It’s all well and good judging people on benefits or only working PT when you have a decent job, live in a decent area and have a partner to support you.

I wonder how quick these people would be to claim benefits themselves if their DP left and they were made redundant and couldn’t find a job.

A lot of this judgement is aimed towards single mothers - literally some of the most disadvantaged people in the country.

By all means judge people who claim benefits fraudulently but don’t blame those who are already struggling and then give them the stigma of being lazy on top.

Butterme · 21/05/2026 09:56

LoyalMember · 21/05/2026 09:51

What the f#ck are you talking about? 705,000 job vacancies is a lot.

But over double that are unemployed - so the number of people applying outweighs the number of jobs.

You also have employed people applying - usually with more experience, references etc and so they typically get the job.

That’s why it’s always easier to find a job once you’re already working.

emuloc · 21/05/2026 09:56

Conversationalcheddar · 21/05/2026 09:52

My MIL is on benefits because she doesn’t “want to be managed by someone younger than” her. I know she doesn’t represent everyone on benefits, but she is one of the people that people get annoyed about. She has always felt that way, has just never wanted to be managed because she gets offended by it. But has literally zero work experience and nothing beyond basic school qualifications so obviously cannot walk into a management position.

She’s recently changed to disability benefits because of obesity-related health concerns and was proudly saying to DH that she’s going to sell her car because her PIP entitles her to a “free luxury car”… not sure it does, but it’s this sort of dialogue that pisses people off. Again, doesn’t represent everyone on benefits but doesn’t exactly help the image of those on benefits either.

Really? Who would be proud that they have are eligible for a 'free luxuary car', due to being obese? Sounds made up to me. Also the cars on Motability are not 'free' for the recipient!

LakieLady · 21/05/2026 09:57

anxietyispartofme · 21/05/2026 09:08

If you are a single mum in rented housing you are often better off on benefits, working very part time hours and getting housing benefit and UC top ups, than working full time. I don’t blame them for doing this but the system is flawed.

Edited

The thresholds for NI and tax mean that someone earning above approx £12.5k a year loses 28% of every extra £1 they earn. If they are also on UC they then lose 55% of the remaining 72%.

Ending up around £33-34pw better off for doing an extra 8 hours a week at NMW really doesn't make it attractive for low paid, p/t staff to increase their hours. The marginal gain is under £5ph.

Raising tax and NI thresholds would make it much more tempting for p/t workers to increase their hours.

It would be interesting to know how much the rate of tax would have to go up to raise the same amount of money if thresholds/personal allowances were increased to, say, £20k.

MimiGC · 21/05/2026 09:58

Well, if it is hard securing jobs now in retail and hospitality, the Government is planning a Youth Mobility Scheme for 18-30 year olds from the EU to be able to come here to work. Yes, it is reciprocal, but I suspect far more EU citizens will come here than UK citizens will go there. That’s what happened before when we were in the EU and language barriers are only part of the reason. So things may well get more difficult in the future.

Greenwitchart · 21/05/2026 09:58

LoyalMember · 21/05/2026 09:51

What the f#ck are you talking about? 705,000 job vacancies is a lot.

Do you have to swear?

By doing that you just invalidate any argument you are making.

Also common sense should tell you that many of these vacancies will be in teaching, nursing, high level IT/technology and engineering.

You need very specific qualifications to get these jobs.

WhatNextImScared · 21/05/2026 09:58

Has anyone here saying “there are jobs”
actually tried to apply for one lately? In my field a recruiting manager just had 400+ perfectly high quality applications for a single role, which is very averagely paid.

Butterme · 21/05/2026 09:58

LoyalMember · 21/05/2026 09:51

What the f#ck are you talking about? 705,000 job vacancies is a lot.

You’re also overlooking the fact that the vast majority of these jobs will require some sort of qualifications or experience eg CSCS cards, driving licence, teaching degree etc so it’s not like every person can apply for every one of those jobs.

Monty36 · 21/05/2026 09:59

It is up to people now. You do have to want things to improve. And that means acceptance that some things need to change.
If Reform get in at the next election then I expect massive amounts of benefits will be removed.

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 21/05/2026 10:00

@MimiGC Yes. Poor little uk dc who cannot be bothered to learn languages or take advantage of anything. Other dc from abroad are far more resourceful!

emuloc · 21/05/2026 10:01

Monty36 · 21/05/2026 09:59

It is up to people now. You do have to want things to improve. And that means acceptance that some things need to change.
If Reform get in at the next election then I expect massive amounts of benefits will be removed.

And then what do people think will happen? Do they honestly think that Society will massively improve, and that workers will have more money in their pockets? Dream on.

TigerRag · 21/05/2026 10:01

Conversationalcheddar · 21/05/2026 09:52

My MIL is on benefits because she doesn’t “want to be managed by someone younger than” her. I know she doesn’t represent everyone on benefits, but she is one of the people that people get annoyed about. She has always felt that way, has just never wanted to be managed because she gets offended by it. But has literally zero work experience and nothing beyond basic school qualifications so obviously cannot walk into a management position.

She’s recently changed to disability benefits because of obesity-related health concerns and was proudly saying to DH that she’s going to sell her car because her PIP entitles her to a “free luxury car”… not sure it does, but it’s this sort of dialogue that pisses people off. Again, doesn’t represent everyone on benefits but doesn’t exactly help the image of those on benefits either.

She is aware that pip enhanced mobility is exchanged for the car? You don't, unless you choose a cheaper car, get both

Monty36 · 21/05/2026 10:02

emuloc · 21/05/2026 10:01

And then what do people think will happen? Do they honestly think that Society will massively improve, and that workers will have more money in their pockets? Dream on.

No good asking me. I don’t vote Reform. I was saying if they win the General Election that I think they will massively reduce the Benefits bill. And I do. Pointing that out doesn’t make me a Reform voter.

Wednesday505 · 21/05/2026 10:04

There are jobs, but a lot of them are limited hours, not enough to live off, and come with conditions of being available for work anytime, so getting another job to fit around that one is extremely difficult.
Just because it's possible to get a job, any job, doesn't mean it's enough to live off.
People need full time jobs not the odd hour here and there.

Greenwitchart · 21/05/2026 10:04

Monty36 · 21/05/2026 09:59

It is up to people now. You do have to want things to improve. And that means acceptance that some things need to change.
If Reform get in at the next election then I expect massive amounts of benefits will be removed.

And what do you think would happen?

A jump in homelessness, health and social care issues and anti social behaviour. All of which cost money too...

That's the problem with Reform rhetoric: no thoughts behind the hate speech.

emuloc · 21/05/2026 10:04

Monty36 · 21/05/2026 10:02

No good asking me. I don’t vote Reform. I was saying if they win the General Election that I think they will massively reduce the Benefits bill. And I do. Pointing that out doesn’t make me a Reform voter.

Edited

It is an open forum, anyone can answer, if they wish, of course. I never said that you were a reform voter either, for the record.

Monty36 · 21/05/2026 10:05

Greenwitchart · 21/05/2026 10:04

And what do you think would happen?

A jump in homelessness, health and social care issues and anti social behaviour. All of which cost money too...

That's the problem with Reform rhetoric: no thoughts behind the hate speech.

Oh crikey. Another one.

I am not a Reform voter !!! Just pointing out what I think they would do to the benefits bill.

Kirbert2 · 21/05/2026 10:05

Conversationalcheddar · 21/05/2026 09:52

My MIL is on benefits because she doesn’t “want to be managed by someone younger than” her. I know she doesn’t represent everyone on benefits, but she is one of the people that people get annoyed about. She has always felt that way, has just never wanted to be managed because she gets offended by it. But has literally zero work experience and nothing beyond basic school qualifications so obviously cannot walk into a management position.

She’s recently changed to disability benefits because of obesity-related health concerns and was proudly saying to DH that she’s going to sell her car because her PIP entitles her to a “free luxury car”… not sure it does, but it’s this sort of dialogue that pisses people off. Again, doesn’t represent everyone on benefits but doesn’t exactly help the image of those on benefits either.

She'd only be entitled to a motability car if she gets the highest mobility rate and the cars aren't free (or luxury cars) so sounds like she's going to be in for a bit of a shock.

Advanced payments can often cost thousands. She might be best keeping her current car.

LoyalMember · 21/05/2026 10:05

Butterme · 21/05/2026 09:58

You’re also overlooking the fact that the vast majority of these jobs will require some sort of qualifications or experience eg CSCS cards, driving licence, teaching degree etc so it’s not like every person can apply for every one of those jobs.

Lots of people who're unemployed will have these things, so the vacancies match their skill set and experience.