To not have attempted to go abroad yet

[eatery]

I’m just not convinced it would be enjoyable with two under 5s. Am I wrong, or would it just be SSDL?

What is SSDL?

The caravan park probably isn’t but I don’t think I’d go to a caravan park. I suppose in the uk you can at least have a holiday cottage.

One of my friends has just had an amazing (looking, I suppose social media can be misleading) holiday but it’s with just one dc. Who is still young enough to nap thinking about it. I don’t think it would be as enjoyable with our two!

It's fine. You don't even have to go abroad at all, it isn't essential.

it’s great as long as your toddlers sleep well. My oldest didn’t sleep at all in different place. I mean getting about a quarter of the sleep he usually got . We were all bloody exhausted and he was extra stroppy due to lack of sleep. There was no way I was taking him abroad and spending all that extra money on getting truly knackered. Once that passed it was great.

Its really wasn't for me but I had high anxiety and tantruming 2 year olds. Maybe if your toddlers are better behaved then mine where or you are a lot more laid back to dangers then I was then maybe but for me never again. Plus I think my expectations where unrealistic I pictured days around the pool and the beach and then they would sleep in the pushchair in the evening while we had a meal and a few drinks. That didn't happen what did happen was me being highly stressed and not being able to ever take my eyes of them and relax. Screaming because they didn't like the pool then screaming because we got out the pool. Crying on the beach because they didn't want to touch the sand. Then the evenings where worse wouldn't stay in the pushchair wouldn't sleep so just more crying and screaming. They barely ate or slept all week plus the constant reapplication of suntan lotion which caused yet another tantrum. It was hell. When we took them when they where older we had some brilliant holidays

Same shit, different location.

It has been clarified more than once on the thread.

Same explanation, different poster

We have some lovely pictures from what was essentially the holiday from hell.

😂

You can have a holiday cottage anywhere! There are homes for rent in Spain, France, Italy, Greece, you name it. You don't have to stay in a hotel or a caravan. You need to get passports and the travel may be longer, that's all.

I don’t wish misery on her but kind of hope so. So jealous!

Thank you for explaining.

I could have done without the side order of sarcasm though.

its the travel being longer that puts me off - as well as more expensive.

Personally I agree with you, but that is because simply I don't see the point. Parts of it probably would be enjoyable but parts will be stressful, depending on the children in question of course. DS is 7 and I'm hoping to take him abroad for the first time this year. He's had many UK holidays of various types and I honestly don't think up to this age he would've got any more out of holidays abroad than UK. I've been abroad a few times since he was born but money is tight and trips are always done on a shoestring, not always appropriate for a child.

It was quite funny to be fair. I don’t like snide posts on here but I thought that was a genuine joke rather than just being a dick for the sake of it.

Yeah, I was only joking.

@FedBeGone I wasn't offended or bothered. I've read through the thread now - and can see 2 or 3 people have already asked sorry. 😘

@eatery I don't blame you for not wanting to go somewhere as it will be SSDL!

As is being discussed on a couple of other threads right now, women do generally tend to end up doing most of the wifework and childcare no matter what, and no matter where they are!

I wasn't being sarcastic - it has been answered more than once on the thread. You didn't need me to explain it, you could have just read the explanation already given more than once

@Zov - we cross posted! You don't need to apologise, I was merely being ironic (bearing in mind the meaning of the acronym).

Might name change to "sideorderofsarcasm" :-)

We took DD abroad from 4 months and have done so regularly since.

But I think it depends on how good your husband is - 4 months post partum I was swinging on a hammock, with a coconut in one hand, a trashy book in the other, overlooking some cliffs and ocean in Thailand - and loving life! We swapped so he could have some downtime.

Since she started toddling it is really nice doing things like walking along the beach or chilling in a nice town square of an evening and just enjoying the vibe.

Ok, we aren't sunbathing all day or getting wasted. But I never loved that kind of holiday anyway.

We took 2 under 5s camping in the Netherlands, holiday cottage in Denmark, caravans in Spain and Italy and a holiday park in Belgium. Their joy and enthusiasm made up for tricky bits.

My first 2 kids were fairly high maintenance but they always loved holidays and new experiences. It was fun finding things to do together. I loved seeing the world through their eyes.

I think you should do whatever you feel like doing!

A UK break with young children can be really lovely, and there’s no need to go abroad to have a nice time

Equally it’s perfectly reasonable to take them abroad and won’t necessarily be harder work than a Uk break. An AI hotel for example can be relatively stress free as you don’t have to worry about food!

Going abroad with 2 kids was a fucking nightmare for me till they were 6 & 3. After that it was still hard, but somewhat more enjoyable. The trip we did when they were 4 and 1.5 was HELL.

We've had brilliant holidays with DD and she is well travelled. However we only have the one. I'm not sure it would be so good if we had more children

Always taken my child long haul since the age of 8 months. She’s been to Thailand x 4 , Bali, Singapore, loads of European countries. I actually find long haul flights easier as there’s more room and things to entertain them as well as the mood lighting, food etc. the worst flight we ever had was to Tenerife at the age of 16 months on Ryanair due to her not having her own seat and refusing to sit on our lap as she wanted to run everywhere. that was a lesson learnt- always get them their own seat.
We did a solo trip to Thailand, just my DD & I when she was 7yrs- 3 flights, 24 hrs of travelling and she was a dream.
Bali we did there and back in less than a week due to Covid cutting our holiday short and again she smashed it. It was all an adventure.
Defo take them! I always say get them used to it while they’re young.

Yes, the more I think about it the more one is the difference.