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Differentforgirls · Yesterday 06:59

BIossomtoes · 22/05/2026 13:39

How did she manage not to pay council tax?

I don’t understand that either.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 07:24

DrRylandGrace · 23/05/2026 23:02

Oh also, you’ll find that the reason lots of people of retirement age are paying income tax is because their state welfare alone takes them to the brink of the tax free allowance! So what you’re actually saying is we’re giving a lot of people with independent incomes who don’t need welfare lots of welfare that we can’t afford, then they’re annoyed that they have to pay some tax on it! 🙄🤣 Hilarious.

As for “growing numbers of them have to pay tax or pay tax at higher rates”, that is by definition true of the entire population on average over recent years because of fiscal drag and tax thresholds being frozen. Why do you think this is noteworthy in respect of pensioners when they are also exempted from NI, and are the richest cohort in society with those actually paying taxes at any significant level being those who have large amounts of assets and low living costs compared to people of working age? It literally could not be untrue that more of them now pay tax or fall into higher tax band brackets given the frozen tax thresholds unless pensioners’ incomes were being reduced, when as well all know they have actually been increased far above average salary rises or inflation for years now due to the triple lock nonsense. What are you trying to say, that working aged people should pay at the now real-terms lower tax thresholds but pensioners shouldn’t?!

The most hilarious thing of all is when one encounters the mathematical illiterates who can’t even grasp that it is literally impossible for the triple lock to continue in perpetuity because if it did it is a mathematical certainty that state pension welfare payments would eventually exceed the entire GDP of the UK.

All your posts here have done is demonstrate your total incomprehension of even the most basic maths that my primary school children understand and what is even more baffling is that one poster actually thanked you for your comments as though they were informative! I really do despair that we are spending money to provide compulsory education to the whole population and this is the level of mathematical and economic understanding and that some people are actually impressed by idiotic comments like this.

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Are you American?

Apprentice26 · Yesterday 07:32

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You don’t get out much, do you?

Expecting people to contribute is not psychotic
It’s what we used to do when we had a functioning society
I would also add to it that the pensions along with the state pensions are contributing to inflation which is pushing up the prices for ordinary people that don’t have unearned income
Everyone is currently suffering as a result of a few I believe 15% being kept in the lap of luxury and they’re still fucking moaning

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 07:56

pensions along with the state pensions are contributing to inflation which is pushing up the prices for ordinary people that don’t have unearned income

Are they? Can you explain a bit more about how that works?

Katypp · Yesterday 08:14

All this bitching and griping about pensioners seem to overlook a few crucial things:

  1. Despite being described as 'greedy and grasping' so often on MN, pensioners are not asking for anything they were not promised and planned for throughout their working life. Should CB be stopped? Or PIP? Or Jobseekers? Are people who expect these benefits greedy and grasping too? Or do you have to be 67 before expecting what was promised becomes greedy and grasping?
  2. The current situation is not the personal fault of today's pensioners. They are no more selfish and grasping or less deserving than anyone claiming CB or PIP.
  3. All being well, most people on here will reach pension age so it is extremely shortsighted to call for the pension to be tinkered with just because you think it's unfair NOW.
  4. The constant rhetoric that there will be no state pension when 30somethings retire has no basis on fact and is used to justify nastiness towards pensioners.
  5. The people retired or coming up to retirement in the next few years have variously lived through rationing, hyperinflation, short working weeks, house price crashes, high mortgage rates and negative equity. Young familes now are living through high housing costs, which is difficult but their suffering is not unique.
  6. Changes to retirement age throughout working life are not unique either. Mine has gone from 60 to 67.
  7. Working people paying for current pensions is also not a new thing. Yes i understand there are more pensioners and fewer workers, but that is not a justification why many workers feel they are uniquely burdoned by doing this.

I understand pensions are a problem and i do agree that a lot of freebies and benefits (inc triple lock) should go.
But the barely-concealed bile on here towards peoplebwho have done nothing more than grow old is awful and shows a complete lack of empathy. We are all so self-serving now.

crossedlines · Yesterday 08:16

@Katypp👏🏼

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 08:18

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NorthXNorthWest · Yesterday 08:22

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 07:24

Are you American?

No, worse, they are an economist. One of the very groups that helped get us into this mess in the first place!

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 08:34

NorthXNorthWest · Yesterday 08:22

No, worse, they are an economist. One of the very groups that helped get us into this mess in the first place!

🤣. Never heard a British person calling the state pension “welfare”.

NorthXNorthWest · Yesterday 08:39

Katypp · Yesterday 06:51

Agree with this.
It's difficult to take someone seriously (and they clearly do want to be taken very seriously) when they just cannot mask their agenda and get pretty nasty when questioned.
@DrRylandGrace you may be an economist but you are not presenting your findings in a neuteral way and contempt for pensioners is dripping from every post.
So what is your solution then?

Thanks.

I have been waiting patiently for their informed solutions. Instead, it has been one strawman argument after another, all used to prop up a very selective and condescending narrative.

Apprentice26 · Yesterday 08:54

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I’m remember you. On every single benefits thread explaining why handouts are justified in your mind at least

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 09:02

Apprentice26 · Yesterday 08:54

I’m remember you. On every single benefits thread explaining why handouts are justified in your mind at least

I hardly post on benefits threads. What age are you as a matter of interest?

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 09:40

Apprentice26 · Yesterday 08:54

I’m remember you. On every single benefits thread explaining why handouts are justified in your mind at least

Please could you answer my question?

january1244 · Yesterday 09:45

@DrRylandGraceI think you and I are in agreement on some points. I’m politically homeless also, and I think triple lock needs to go, and I think free prescriptions need to go. However when you account for increasing amounts of tax on pensioners and the inheritance tax expected, especially when it captures pensions now which is new, I don’t think the shortfall gap is so big as that.

The reality is you can’t blame pensioners now. Everyone is just trying to get by, you can’t blame people for previous government actions. Right now the data is showing that 45% of working age people aren’t making ANY pension contributions. And these aren’t people that were promised ‘cradle to grave’ support - it’s been well publicised now for decades that we need to make provision for ourselves. People aren’t, and we can’t support this almost half of the population in the future when they come to retire. Means testing the state pension just means loads more people won’t bother saving. We already have a ludicrous system in place where those that didn’t save get pension credit, which makes them better off than those that didn’t save try to make provision for themselves. The government needs to ensure it’s compulsory to save into a pension. With 25% or working age people not working though, that’s 25% presumably that won’t be saving at all. I don’t know what the resolution is

SerenaCat93 · Yesterday 09:52

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SerenaCat93 · Yesterday 09:53

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 08:34

🤣. Never heard a British person calling the state pension “welfare”.

State pensions are part of the welfare state. It is a benefit given to you from the government like all the other benefits in the welfare state.

Apprentice26 · Yesterday 09:54

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 09:40

Please could you answer my question?

You haven’t asked me any questions blossom toes what would you like to know?

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 09:56

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That’s a shame. I don’t remember you.

Coco1379 · Yesterday 09:57

This is all very well to complain about, but are people on minimum wage supposed to save when their wages barely cover essentials? They are not being irresponsible there simply isn’t any money to save. So how do all you lucky 74% people who are presumably able and are saving for retirement propose to solve that problem? You sound like a bunch of entitled ‘Pull the ladder up Jacks’.

NorthXNorthWest · Yesterday 10:04

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 08:34

🤣. Never heard a British person calling the state pension “welfare”.

I know.

I suspect it is all part of pushjng a narrative of blame to whip up support for a "redistribution is all we need" crusade. Political? yes. Economically sound? No.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 10:11

NorthXNorthWest · Yesterday 10:04

I know.

I suspect it is all part of pushjng a narrative of blame to whip up support for a "redistribution is all we need" crusade. Political? yes. Economically sound? No.

Apparently it IS welfare now. Weird.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 10:11

SerenaCat93 · Yesterday 09:53

State pensions are part of the welfare state. It is a benefit given to you from the government like all the other benefits in the welfare state.

Given to me?

SerenaCat93 · Yesterday 10:12

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Differentforgirls · Yesterday 10:15

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Terrible way to live. 😪

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 10:17

Apprentice26 · Yesterday 09:54

You haven’t asked me any questions blossom toes what would you like to know?

Here you go. You must have missed it.

pensions along with the state pensions are contributing to inflation which is pushing up the prices for ordinary people that don’t have unearned income

Are they? Can you explain a bit more about how that works?