Feeling devastated after seeing this news about Afghanistan

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I stumbled across this on BBC — https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q25dwj807o

I can’t stop crying. I feel so incredibly devastated that we live in such an unequal world. I cannot believe in 2026 people have to starve and children die — and girls be sold??? because of hunger. Goodness sake. That’s not right, it’s so inhumane. Seeing the tears on those tiny girls’ eyes and how fearful they are just breaks my heart so much, oh Gosh.

I just really feel sorry for these people who have to live under Taliban and suffer immensely. It’s so heartbreaking. And I know these people are not the only ones unfortunately…I just feel like we all have so much, more than we all need to and I wish we could just help the poor more as a whole world. But that doesn’t bring any profits does it???!

I wish I could do something to help, whatever that may be. Does anyone have a clue about what to do? I’d appreciate any insight. Thank you.

But you know that those children grow up to be those men dont you?

All of them?

Im guessing you’ve never heard of a Dowry before. Of course you’ll be equally devastated at those girls being sold to other families by their own parents too. Or is that sort of selling of girls so entrenched that it’s more normalised now?

@Papoy

afghanistan hasn’t been a peaceful or prosperous country for at least 200 years.

it’s been invaded by the British three times, the Russians once, has ongoing issues with most of the countries around it and also has had internecine tribal warfare for at least 200 years.

the structure of the”state” there is incredibly weak even if you think of it as a monarchy - the monarch did not have any sort of ability to impose a decent legal system on the tribes much less do anything that the modern state tries to do like healthcare, clean water and schools.

it’s not prosperous
it’s not peaceful.

it isn’t western or Russian intervention that has caused this. Afghanistan is back to it’s normal situation when none of the powers are throwing money and people at it which is constant tribal warfare, slavery and child abuse.

the Russians were in for twenty years and it cost them so much in both people dead and money.

the British when they ruled India looked at it and decided it wasn’t worth the money needed to conquer it and it didn’t have anything worth trading for so it was pretty much left alone.

the Americans and the British who recently left again there were many deaths and untold millions put into building roads, hospitals, training doctors and nurses, schools, teachers.

many many of the population objected to this. They didn’t want schools. They didn’t want women educated. Roads were mostly ok. Healthcare was problematic as indeed it is in other Muslim countries where for example in Saudi Arabia there is local pressure for hospitals for women that are completely staffed by women.

Any marriage that involves a girl is wrong, never mind a dowry. And any marriage that a woman is pressured, coerced, or forced to agree to by her family, is also wrong, dowry or not. A dowry as part of a freely chosen marriage by an adult woman - I don't see an issue with that, although it's a rather dated tradition.

It’s just so awful I can’t imagine living in a country like that . We are so detached from it all really . It’s so disgusting and dehumanising. Why do these cultures hate women so much ? Women who have zero power to even begin with.

You can sod off if you think I feel sorry for men selling their daughters into child rape situations.

The mental gymnastics to excuse little girls being sold into slavery (usually sex slavery) just because these men are foreign is incredibly vile.

Edit: I don’t care if they’re poor or ‘have no choice’. There is a systemic issue with child rape and ‘marriages’ (forced rape by old men basically) as young as 9 in these countries. They’re not like us hence why these cultures are prone to attack the young girls in this country when they come over. It’s normalised that females are worth less and just a receptacle for vile men’s sexual needs.

This is the winning post to me.

People need to stop being naive and realise some cultures don’t see women or girls as even human - let alone equal.

Some cultures also don’t see children like we do, they see commodities.

There is something special about those people and that place, not in a pleasant way. I mean, how the fuck did those guys in flip-flops and nighties chase off the British, the Russian, the American Armies century after century, the latter armies vastly superior in education, equipment and military knowledge. How? I would so like to hear the truthful opinion.

Exactly, and it's worth remembering that the male parent - I'd hardly call him a father - who's so keen to do the sad-face photo could easily be one of those who was cheering the return of the Taliban

We all know that it's terrible for the women and children, but unless change comes from within there's sadly little to be done

The treatment of Jews in ww2 was horrific. I thought the Jews evacuated their children first. Some were sent on trains to safety. The adults remained behind.

The English evacuated kids in WW2. The kids were sent to the country to be safe. Men fought and women took over the men’s jobs in England.

Some cultures believe the men need to be sent somewhere safe and the women and kids stay behind. They believe women are worthless and men are important. It wouldn’t be a stretch to assume the child and adult wives in Afghanistan are being raped by their husbands. The trauma of having may children via child rape may mean they do not view their children the same way we do. Sharing a home day in and day out with your rapist seems traumatic to me. Have studies been carried out on incest within the home?

I accept the Western way isn’t the way other cultures want to live their life. Many people in the west disagree with western culture and values. Not all people have the same values or culture. And to be honest I like the fact countries have their own cultures - I would love to visit Japan for example. I like Western culture and want to remain living in a Western nation. I think women and girls are treated terribly in Afghanistan and I don’t want girls in Europe to be raped by Afghan men. I cannot save all girls but I want to protect my children and their classmates as a priority.

A quick check on AI says - In Afghanistan, consanguineous marriages(marriages between close relatives, such as cousins) are legal, culturally common, and estimated to comprise approximately 46.2% of all marriages nationwide.

This alone repulses me, I cannot imagine having sex with a cousin - it’s not typical here. It’s seen as backwards and we used to mock areas in the USA that were known for cousin marriage. I believe it needs to be made illegal to protect girls and women.

We cannot provide refuge to every person who is fleeing their country. If we do we will end up needing to escape the mess we chose to create. People are either being naive or vindictive by encouraging and allowing mass migration and i think this BBC article will make people question and research (like I did after seeing this thread). (I am now far more clued up on the fact having sex with a boy in Afghanistan isn’t seen as homosexuality).

I think public views are changing.

And they wonder why the British people are thoroughly pissed off with all this.
Instead of actually doing something about it, all Starmer and his cronies do is label us as far right thugs and rapists.
Look at last Saturdays march. The largest number of arrests were from the pro Pally lot spewing their hatred of everything they/them disagree with.
How did we get to this?

Quite a lot of people have noticed the BBC's weird angle in trying to garner sympathy for men selling their daughters.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5531729-afghanistan-selling-children-guess-which-ones?reply=152404739

The BBC has form for supporting paedophiles.

I belong to Population Matters, who provide contraceptive information to women in these circumstances. David Attenborough is a member of the charity.

Apologies if this has been linked already, but it says all that needs to be said IMO.

https://spectator.com/article/why-does-the-bbc-think-afghan-men-are-selling-their-daughters/

@Dollymylove i think we are here due to either naivety or vindictiveness.

So many people seem to hate The West and Christianity. They hate being British - I have friends who have always felt this way about being British. So much so they support regimes that feel women have no rights and regimes who would murder gay people. I

Off topic but Starmer called people far right for being devastated about the murder and serious attacks on little girls at a dance day in Southport. He then returned to his expensive, beautiful home, - safely behind gates with arms police officers - and partied that evening with his friends while young girls fought for their lives in hospital theatres.

They then said it was a Welsh choir boy.

Starmer ate and drank at a party knowing the truth. Knowing the injuries on those young people. Knowing the facts.

I read the facts being tweeted out of court at the trial of that vile killer. I cried and cried and I think about those lovely little girls regularly. Starmer went to a party and called mums like me ‘far right’.

The effort was to try and prevent Afghanistan from being a complete fucking basket case, and bring them out of the Middle Ages. It failed yes, why? Because of the Afghans who, the first opportunity they got, welcomed back the Taliban with open arms.

The US and UK armed and trained over 300,000 Afghan soldiers, many of them as special forces. The Taliban are estimated to number about 60,000 -100,000 fighters. They could easily have been overcome if the will had been there.

Aye, dont they just!!

Thank you for sharing this. I may well subscribe after that article. I believe proper journalism needs supporting - and that article articulated far better than I ever could what is wrong with the BBC’s propaganda.

Excellent article

“The cult of ‘Islamophobia’ has fried people’s minds. It has left them thinking that any criticism of Islamic practices is by definition bigoted. We arrive at a situation where even the public broadcaster tiptoes around the truth of a benighted, medieval nation in which women are forcefully cloaked in black cloth, forbidden from speaking in public, and treated as the property of men. That culture is horrific, it is a stain on humanity’s conscience, and it deserves to die.”

The sooner westerners realise that some cultures don’t mix, the easier it’ll be. Not everyone wants to accept our (arguably far better) ways. Especially those following a medieval religious doctrine.

@Twinandatwoyearold I have no words to even describe the conduct of Starmer in the wake of the Southport murders.
Laid a wreath and 90 seconds later fu ked off to a party, salivating over all those he was going to prosecute and jail for daring to be horrified at this horrible attack 😡

Complaints to the BBC can be made from any BBC page, using the link to the article.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q25dwj807o

Off topic again but an MP has posted today:

‘On April 13th, I asked the Home Office what visa categories were held by the parents of Axel Rudakubana during their residence in the United Kingdom; and what character-assessment checks were applied when issuing their visas. No response... ‘

I will be interested to see the response to this question.

@ArabellaScott

thank you for posting the link - I will complain.