Pay to vote

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‘Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result’

Yet again we have voted for a democratically elected leader and potentially ending up with someone no one wants (well a few from the Labour Party).

Are we now at the stage where after every general election; any one who wants a say in our governance has no choice but to sign up to the winning party to enable them to vote.

That includes payment.

Is this not completely undemocratic.

Is anyone else considering this. I have thought it multiple times in previous years and now I am getting to the point where I am the idiot for not just signing up and lining their party pockets. Because who’s losing out here. Me and my vote.

Labour voters are truly unhinged…

If it stopped Reform voters then YES.

Some people are clicking YABU.

Why - you don’t want the country to be able to vote?
Or you don’t believe this is the situation. Because clearly after nearly a decade it’s clear it’s the only way to vote on the governance of our country.

Did you have the same opinion when it was Tories?

I have done the math..

In the last 10 years…

50% of the PM choice has been GE and 50% party vote.

So if I want a say in who governs this country. Then it’s looking pretty clear to me that I am the idiot for not paying to vote.

Yes. Multiple times in the past decade I have thought this.

I left the Labour party over Corbyn. I might rejoin to stop Raynor.

Good job that Reform PLC has no mechanism for getting rid of it's leader. Nigel can't be forced out no matter how shit they are doing

@randomchap

The conflict being I don’t want to be paying for random political parties.

I am floating voter.

The cost of that is I don’t have a democratic vote.

So I am thinking now I am just going to have to suck it up and start paying.

Is there a wait period?

When I looked at this last time with conservatives there was a wait period before you could vote.

That’s a relief! I really would not want to be paying reform 🤢

You get to vote for an mp every 5 years or so. You never get to directly vote for a PM

I cast my vote based on PM as a big part of that value judgment - as most people do.

Surely the answer is political parties not constantly changing their leader (and maybe something to stop them doing this)?

I think it’s insane that some Labour MPs are even considering this. We need stability right now, not more of the mess we got with the Tories.

It won’t stop reform, it plays right into their hands.

We have a system where we vote for our MP not the PM, and there’s a lot that’s good about that, but the constant changes in leadership need to stop.

I just checked. It’s 6 months.

So the only way is on the GE result day. You sign up. Then you should be covered. I am vowing now to myself that next GE this is what I am doing!

I was thinking that.

Your right. But they are idiots.

And I am MORE an idiot for thinking they might not act like idiots.

So I have looked at the cost.

£63 a year
or
£31 a year if you click ‘reduced rate’ (which Raynor blatantly would so I think thats acceptable and quite refreshing to actually click that button for once)

I think your mistake has been assuming you were ever voting for PM - you weren’t. You’re voting for a party and you have to trust that whoever happens to be leading that party will follow their policies. Which is broadly what happens.

People vote for the party they want in power not the .

I'm sick of the lot of them and mostly the shit stirring media that thrives on the 24 news cycle and clicks. They are enabling people's miniscule attention spans, and fostering the belief that years of rot and decline can be turned around in less than two years

We vote for governments in this country. Not prime ministers. People are too idiotic and ill informed to know that this is not a presidential democracy.

Why would anyone want to be prime minister now, other than a brief shot at heady power? We are entirely lacking politicians with the character, ability, attitude and expertise to actually govern.

It's certainly a problem. We never directly elected PMs, but at least we knew who and what was being promised. With our ridiculous turnover of PMs, now that is in the hands of party MPs/party members, which are always more extreme than the median voter. It's the politics version of the wonky trolley.

Not sure what the structural problem is, nor the solution. My best theory is that it's down to our stagnant growth since 2008: it makes politics all look zero-sum (if group A wins, group B loses) so we get an endless tussle between groups.

But I do based on PM!

Thats what I am saying. And other people now are so why aren’t I!

The answer is because I haven’t paid. And this is something I am now accepting. That’s my mistake. The mistake is not thinking I can’t vote for PM.

Well the answer is quite obviously to PAY.

That makes me very angry. But I am cutting my nose off to spite my face by not just accepting that.

I can only assume the pension.