New manager.... No explanation

[pinkrocket123]

a couple of times in my career I've had a change of manager. Eg old team there was 2 team leaders. One day I was told the other one was my team leader, can't remember if it was verbally or via email. The team leader didn't do much - I never had 121s, they weren't involved in anything.

Another time it would be our managers manager changed. Again there was no formal "this is he new structure" we were told. They even travelled the four hours to the office, there was no "this is the new structure" or any talk.

Aibu? Usually if there has been a structure change and t doesn't affect your job, you still have to be told formally?

Hello

What do you mean by ‘told formally’? In both cases you were told about the new structure which I would think is normal, I don’t think there is any particular formal process that has to be followed.

Usually yes you are formally told about a change in organization.

But it’s not mandatory, more reflective of the companies communication

What do you mean by ‘formally’? You’ve been told.

Your manager isn’t a contractual thing where a change needs consulting on. Much less your manager’s manager.

I’ve had changes of manager and either new or old one has rung me and told me 121. Is that what you would class as formal?

so the people you report too ( or the people
Above them) have changed, you have been told of this change ( maybe informally) but there is actually no change to your role? I have only ever been told in a meeting if there have been large scale meetings otherwise it is just an email. What did you expect/want in terms of formal communication?

We get an automated mail from HR when the system is updated (because that's how leave requests, performance reviews and the like get routed.) I, and the rest of my team was introduced to a man recently in the office. I then went over to ask who he was, as the intros were only going one way... so that's hoe I found out.

(He is possibly the best manager I've had, on first appearances, about a month in, so it's too early to tell definitively.)

I work in retail and it’s common for new store managers to just turn up and they get moved at the drop of a hat. Sometimes we know in advance, sometimes we don’t. It’s never crossed my mind that we should be told formally.

But there was no change in company structure.

Your first example, the Team Lead you report to changed and you were told this. Your second example your managers manager changed and unless you report into them/work directly with them then why would you need to be formally told about this.

Yes it is good when companies advise the wider department about personnel changes, and better still if they do some sort of introduction, even if just by email. But expecting to be formally told is a bit ott.

What do you mean by formal?

I am around 10 years into my career and 5 years at my current employer. I’ve had 7 managers 😆 mostly because my managers kept getting promotions/changing teams.

Each time I’ve just been verbally told by my current manager who my new manager is. I’ve always had 30 minute weekly catch ups with managers and then 60 minute quarterly reviews.

Hi OP, can you define what you meant by the new structure, as I think that part was missing from your OP, it currently reads as if the business structure has remained the same but just with a new person in one of the positions (which you got told about anyway) rather than a new structure (which you weren't told about), hence the confusion, I think.

I often find out my line manager has changed from different calendars being available in outlook. They never introduce themselves. Is barmy.

Business structure hasn't remained the same if we have a new managers manager?

Dumb!

If it’s a new post, it’s maybe changed. If it’s a new person in an existing post, it hasn’t.

I would expect you to be informed. Not in a particularly formal manner though.

And it's certainly not a contract change so no consultation required.

Mainly just a 'hey, we've had a re-org, you will now be reporting to x'. How 'x' then handles the change is largely dependent on culture and how good they are.

If the role has changed = business structure change
If just the manager changed = personnel change

I find it a bit weird to come into work and find out your direct manager has changed. This was years ago and both team leaders were doing the same job, just one for north and south for the company. So I just wonder why they changed who they managed - it didn't affect anything because you would approach them if you had questions for north or south and we never had one 2 ones. Lol

Right but how can personell change without it affecting the work?

Is it that the new manager was brought in to restructure the company but staff weren’t told about the new plans?

In my exp, it’s usually mentioned in a meeting and/or an email goes out in bigger organisations.

You don’t need to be consulted though unless you applied for the role yourself?

No?

It's just it I have work to do than what will my new manager know.

Wait - so this happened years ago? Are you still traumatised?

That’s got nothing to do with a change to structure though. That’s personal change, which is not structural change.

You can have both but you can also just have personell change without structural change, which sounds what you are describing.

It’s pretty simple, if the structure remains the same, deputise name may be in the box associated with a role, then there is NO structural change for you to be advised of.

I work in HR
I think it depends on your company. Big multinational with 1000s of employees or small company - less than 50 employees?

We have 65 employees - reasons for changing manager are multiple - Manager leaves or gets a new role, someone is recruited for a new management role so she will be given some reports if appropriate, manager off long term sick (this has happened to us this week), lots and lots of reasons. No need for a contract change or anything really formal. Just a quick email should suffice.

I don't understand your last post sorry.

If this happened years ago, not sure why it is bothering you.

But there will be a handover to the new person from the previous manager, it’s just that someone new works in that role, it’s not a huge upheaval that should affect everyone