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Pretty sure the new Green msp is in breach of his student visa conditions

63 replies

CurdinHenry · 10/05/2026 09:30

By taking on work that will require more than twenty hours a week and that will prevent him from fulfilling his study requirements

Wibu to submit a complaint to the police and home office?

OP posts:
OneTealShaker · 10/05/2026 23:18

But seriously though, breach of visa terms should lead to deportation. The Scottish government is actually breaking the law. What hope is there for the country when the government is trolling its people by breaking immigration laws openly.

MyDenimBird · 10/05/2026 23:47

Hoardasurass · 10/05/2026 10:18

Its a full-time job (officially) and he isn't allowed to work for more than 20 hrs a week and he is barred from employing anyone else under his student visa.
He is currently applying for a graduate visa which will only last 3 and cannot be extended.
He claims he'll get a "extraordinary talent" visa assuming he means a global talent visa, being an MSP is not covered by it nor does he fit any other criteria.
Basically the greens listed an ineligible candidate and should be sanctioned and he should be stripped of his seat.

30 seconds of googling makes it clear that the msp already completed the PhD (hence being Dr) and so the student visa related outrage is not necessary as like anyone else who gets a job that requires a visa to work at, they apply for it after being successful at interview - just in this case the interview was an election that hundreds of thousands of people voted in!

They aren't even the first msp to be on a visa, just the first one the press has taken notice of...

FernandoSor · 10/05/2026 23:59

Hoardasurass · 10/05/2026 10:18

Its a full-time job (officially) and he isn't allowed to work for more than 20 hrs a week and he is barred from employing anyone else under his student visa.
He is currently applying for a graduate visa which will only last 3 and cannot be extended.
He claims he'll get a "extraordinary talent" visa assuming he means a global talent visa, being an MSP is not covered by it nor does he fit any other criteria.
Basically the greens listed an ineligible candidate and should be sanctioned and he should be stripped of his seat.

Being an MSP (or indeed an MP) is not paid employment, legally speaking. They are “office holders” with no contract or any other employee or contingent worker rights. I’m not sure where this falls in terms of student visa restrictions on work. I suspect the HO would have to consider it very carefully.

Hoardasurass · 11/05/2026 07:38

MyDenimBird · 10/05/2026 23:47

30 seconds of googling makes it clear that the msp already completed the PhD (hence being Dr) and so the student visa related outrage is not necessary as like anyone else who gets a job that requires a visa to work at, they apply for it after being successful at interview - just in this case the interview was an election that hundreds of thousands of people voted in!

They aren't even the first msp to be on a visa, just the first one the press has taken notice of...

The studen visa is important as its the only visa he has and under it he cant legally take up his seat this week. This is the problem he is ineligible to be a MSP and cant legally hire any constituency staff either.
No other msp has ever been elected when barred from the role by the limitations on their visa.

TipsyLaird · 11/05/2026 07:40

The Greens and Scottish government will wriggle out of it by saying it's not work, it's public service or something. But yes, absolutely ridiculous and go ahead and complain.

Hoardasurass · 11/05/2026 07:40

FernandoSor · 10/05/2026 23:59

Being an MSP (or indeed an MP) is not paid employment, legally speaking. They are “office holders” with no contract or any other employee or contingent worker rights. I’m not sure where this falls in terms of student visa restrictions on work. I suspect the HO would have to consider it very carefully.

All constituency staff are employees of the msp.
Msp is a paid employment.
Both of these facts make him ineligible for the role under his visa

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 11/05/2026 09:02

TipsyLaird · 11/05/2026 07:40

The Greens and Scottish government will wriggle out of it by saying it's not work, it's public service or something. But yes, absolutely ridiculous and go ahead and complain.

What on earth has this got to do with the Scottish Government?

Technically there is no such thing currently, but regardless, Q is not a member of the party looking to govern, and this is an issue for the Home Office, it's a Reserved policy area and nothing whatsoever to do with Holyrood.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 11/05/2026 09:03

OneTealShaker · 10/05/2026 23:18

But seriously though, breach of visa terms should lead to deportation. The Scottish government is actually breaking the law. What hope is there for the country when the government is trolling its people by breaking immigration laws openly.

The Scottish government is actually breaking the law

Complete bollocks.

TipsyLaird · 11/05/2026 09:04

The Greens are the ones at fault here. As usual.

Wildflowergalore · 11/05/2026 09:05

I am an immigrant and I find this absolutely mind boggling. I thought it was a reporting mistake at fitst because this is just so incredibly ridiculous.
I don't think we should be able to stand for office if we are not permanent residents tbh.

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 11/05/2026 09:06

Scotland is a binfire now.

RoseField1 · 11/05/2026 09:10

TipsyLaird · 11/05/2026 07:40

The Greens and Scottish government will wriggle out of it by saying it's not work, it's public service or something. But yes, absolutely ridiculous and go ahead and complain.

But if it's not work what kind of visa is he going to apply for?

OneTealShaker · 11/05/2026 09:14

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 11/05/2026 09:03

The Scottish government is actually breaking the law

Complete bollocks.

How eloquent. Exactly that kind of argument that the left can mange.

KTheGrey · 11/05/2026 09:16

Hoardasurass · 10/05/2026 10:18

Its a full-time job (officially) and he isn't allowed to work for more than 20 hrs a week and he is barred from employing anyone else under his student visa.
He is currently applying for a graduate visa which will only last 3 and cannot be extended.
He claims he'll get a "extraordinary talent" visa assuming he means a global talent visa, being an MSP is not covered by it nor does he fit any other criteria.
Basically the greens listed an ineligible candidate and should be sanctioned and he should be stripped of his seat.

The Greens should also be sanctioned.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 11/05/2026 09:17

OneTealShaker · 11/05/2026 09:14

How eloquent. Exactly that kind of argument that the left can mange.

You don't need to mount an "argument" to dismiss total and utter shite for what it is.

BrownBookshelf · 11/05/2026 09:17

Student visas usually have a couple of months tacked on at the end after the official date of the course, and holders can work full time during that period. If his course has just finished and he still has valid leave to remain, he's probably in that period now?

https://www.ukcisa.org.uk/student-advice/working/working-after-studies/

I guess he'll be applying for a graduate visa now. If I were him I'd pay extra for the fast track!

Working after studies for international students

After finishing your studies, you may want to apply for immigration permission to work in the UK

https://www.ukcisa.org.uk/student-advice/working/working-after-studies

BrownBookshelf · 11/05/2026 09:23

More info here about work conditions for student visas.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/points-based-system-student-route/student-and-child-student-accessible#work-conditions

Weeellokthen · 11/05/2026 09:40

Can Scottish politics get any more embarrassing 🙄The world must be laughing at our self sabotaging choices

Ablaize · 11/05/2026 09:42

Hoardasurass · 10/05/2026 23:11

Tbh the green party in England had a guy elected as a councillor in Camden who works for the council as a teacher which made him ineligible to stand and take his seat. So it seems that its both green parties that have an issue with ineligible candidate's though obviously the Scottish greens had to outdo the English greens 🙄

Or he could pay from his £80,000 a year salary as an MSP?

BrownBookshelf · 11/05/2026 09:48

Yes I don't see why he couldn't fund the visa costs himself! OP would appear to be barking up the wrong tree about him being in breach, and hopefully they come back to acknowledge that, but it's still cheeky to expect the party to pay.

Ablaize · 11/05/2026 09:50

I mean it does sound as if he has an extraordinary talent for being full of BS, having blagged his way into becoming an MSP. He seems perfect for a life in British politics among all the other corrupt cheaters who seek the power and money of political life.

Doesn’t the Green Party vet its candidates?

According to Google he has reached the age of 30 researching the below list of highly important topics. I do hope no public money has been spent funding this crap.

Reflexive Ethnography: Investigating the role of the researcher's emotions (guilt, discomfort) and power dynamics.
Feminist Security Studies: Analyzing the politics of grief, mourning, and the body in conflict scenarios.
Art and Activism: Exploring how visual and textual mediums (collages, writing) are used to (re)make worlds affected by violence

titchy · 11/05/2026 09:57

RoseField1 · 11/05/2026 09:10

But if it's not work what kind of visa is he going to apply for?

A graduate visa, as I posted before. He has just gained a PhD. He’s entitled to switch to a graduate visa and work FT for three years. Pretty stupid not to have done so beforehand, but this actually isn’t a big deal. It’s quite common, particularly with PhDs where the line between being a student and being a graduate can be a bit flexible time-wise. Which the HO recognises.

The visa really isn’t the gotcha people think it is. The story is the Scottish Gov changing the rules so people no longer needed ILR to stand.

Edited to add: I see @brownbookshelfalready posted what I said!

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 11/05/2026 09:57

According to Google he has reached the age of 30 researching the below list of highly important topics. I do hope no public money has been spent funding this crap

Unfortunately for your blood pressure, they've just spent the past 5 years securing a Doctorate in International Relations at the University of St.Andrews, funded by ESRC.

BrownBookshelf · 11/05/2026 09:59

Probably passed any vetting with flying colours. His immigration status evidently doesn't preclude him performing the role, and being a bullshitter perfectly qualifies one for a political career.

titchy · 11/05/2026 10:03

Let’s not criticise his PhD topic please. There’s plenty of academic stuff that sounds flaky to non-academics but adds to general academic discourse in a positive way. He was funded by a very competitive funder, and St Andrews is hardly a tinpot uni.

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