to think SOME people on here are ridiculously touchy about WLI?

[caretoshare]

Honestly it feels like you can’t say anything even slightly negative without a pile-on. You could make the mildest observation and suddenly it’s all “faux concern” accusations and people acting like you’ve personally attacked them.

Then it derails into the same nonsense every time. Instead of actually discussing the point, it turns into people making sarcastic comments about being “fatty bum bums” like that proves anything. It’s so defensive it shuts down any proper conversation.

I’m not talking about being nasty or targeting anyone, just normal discussion. But the second WLIs is even vaguely mentioned, the negativity starts.

If you care so much about starting a non confrontational conversation about a specific issue surrounding use of WLIs, why haven’t you raised one? You’ve instead started a confrontational attack on people who comment on other WLI threads…

YABU to start yet another bloody thread on WLI…..

There was an article in a newspaper last week publishing some photographs of animals being tested in the labs and struggling against the force feeding. One post we described the article as “frothing” and designed to scare women. Rather than accepting that that is the fact of animal testing.

The desire to dismiss any criticism was incredibly strong.

QED

I’m a vegan so I’m very much against animal testing, but you don’t see people posting about animal testing for any other medications, do you? Ask yourself why that might be and why some posters were rightly getting annoyed about it.

I think it illustrates how emotive weight and food are for a lot of people.

It's like a cult on MN. You're either in or you're out. There's no middle ground.

If you’re not on them you don’t need to be starting conversations about them.

Why start another thread? Unless you enjoy the frenzy you have described.
Do you use WLI? If not, why do you care?

wli?

Well, what are these "mild" observations you're referring to? Because all I ever seem to see is people saying things like WLI are a crutch, that people are losing the desire to put any actual effort in, that these drugs are untested and will cause problems blah blah blah.

These aren't "mild" observations but blatant judgement calls, with a clear agenda of being anti the meds and unsympathetic to the people taking them.

Weight loss injections like mounjaro and wegovy etc.

You know it's just going to happen on this thread too given the way your OP is written.

You haven't started a normal thread where you make a mild negative observation, you've started an AIBU fight about it! Which is I guess what you want.

It’s just a hot topic right now because pretty much everyone and their aunt seems to be using them. A heck of a lot of celebs are clearly using (and I’d argue abusing) them including those who were already very slim so absolutely didn’t need them, which is worrying. The current trend in buccal fat removal is also concerning, people are turning themselves into ghouls for some bizarre reason.

I personally hate the way women’s bodies become fashion statements. Era to era the trends change and we’re somehow expected to feel confident and self assured when the goalposts are constantly shifting. In the 90s /00s it was size zero, then the 10s/early 20s thanks to the Kardashians it was popular to have a massive arse and now it’s back to size zero.

I lost 8 stone after my husband died, so I don’t need or want them.

My son and wife live in America and are on them, as American doctors just love them ($?) - so I do read reports about them (good or warnings) and I wonder about side effects.

Other than that, I think people should be free to do as they choose. 🤷‍♀️

Yeah it’s all very cultish and weird. And in my experience of knowing people on WLI, 1 out of 8 is actually changing their lifestyle. The rest of them are still eating badly and are completely inactive. And half of them don’t even need WLI- they just want an easy way to lose weight. It’s people like that, abusing the system, who are going to ruin it for the obese people who genuinely do need WLI.

People are sensitive about it, yes. There are definitely people on here who clearly disapprove of GLP1s and who judge people who use them, so it's not surprising, especially when you factor in the emotions often linked to struggles with weight management.

I do think some people have reasonable concerns about the possible effects of these drugs, however. I'm one of them and wouldn't want to take them myself—but I don't need them. I also don't come on here to discuss it (except for this time, I suppose) because... what would be the point? People are responsible for their own choices when it comes to which medications they're comfortable taking. I hope they're being honest with whoever is prescribing the WLI. It's really up to them to do what they feel is right for them.

I keep seeing people say this and it's so weird. Because I also know quite a few people oni them, including myself, but the common factor in the women I know taking them is that they have all been trying for ages ot lose weight, are all significantly over weight and are all doing their best to change things.

And I know a bunch of women who want to take them and qualify in the same categories as above, but are a bit nervous.

I literally am not aware of anyone taking them unnecessarily and have not noticed anyone who was not overweight who has suddenly become rail thin (outside of a few celebs, but those aren't "real people" :) )

Maybe because it's absolutely no one else's business what medication I am on and I don't believe it comes from a good place, more wanting people who are obese to suffer.

You still haven't understood the point I was making. Let me spell it out for you.

There is nothing new or different about the animal testing for WLI compared to any other medication. So why are the Daily Mail suddenly concerned/outraged/frothing about animal testing, when they didn't give a shiny shit before?

I never said anything about scaring women, I said guilt tripping them. Because a) over 80% of WLI users are women and b) the Daily Mail is the only newspaper with a mostly female readership, over 23 million women read the online version. The Daily Mail is known for its hatred of women.

Join the dots. The article was clearly intended to and succeeded in distressing WLI users.

Use WLI, don't use WLI, no skin off my nose either way. But don't use something that has always been done for new product development to make women feel bad about it if they choose to.

My issue is with the Daily Mail, not WLI.

I think it's because people who are on them feel the need to justify being on them (are they worried that one day they will be recalled and they will regain the weight?) and those who aren't on them, are sick and tired of seeing celebrities and others losing piles of weight. It's like the baseline for a normal female body is once again changing. And then people on them suggest that they have an illness that somehow qualifies them to have this medication (and stay on it forever) whereas others have to just watch what they eat and exercise to stay slim. So if you criticize them, those on them pile on because I think they are trying to justify their use of them. That said, if really obese people use them to get down to a weight which allows them to exercise and eat more healthily, all power to them. But I just wouldn't want to rely on a drug to keep myself at a healthy weight. I just put in the daily grind of exercise and having to regulate my food intake through natural means. I am preparing to get a load of criticism for this response but it's just my opinion.

It’s not only on here, even in real life. I can understand when it’s faux concern, etc but it’s crazy that some won’t listen to real reasoning when it comes to them.
A really broke colleague whose husband hasn’t had a proper job in 6 months after been made redundant and they’re now so broke was complaining about her marriage being on the verge of collapsing because they can’t afford the £350 she’s paying a month but she can’t stop so she’s putting it on a credit card. To think she already lost the weight but maintaining on a high dose because she won’t try and change her lifestyle. when I said I was with her husband on this one she went all defensive.

and this is care? You can keep it

I can feel the care through the screen. So much care

Out of interest, what is 'the point' you want people to discuss with regards to WLI? Because if you're not on them, and they're nothing to do with your life, what sort of 'observations' would you be making about them?
If you give examples of these things it would be easier to judge whether people were justified in becoming defensive.