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New renter rights act is a bloody good thing!

444 replies

Pineapplewhip · Yesterday 06:24

Naturally landlords have some justifiable concerns/questions but those that are up in arms about the whole thing are completely bloody immoral. The slum landlords have spoilt it for the good ones and the decent landlords should blame them and not the government for protecting people.

If you arent aware of the actual points of the bill - I've listed them below. I cant see how any reasonable person can disagree that it's just enforcing the most basic human decency and regulation.

  • End to no fault evictions: landlords can only evict renters if they want to sell, move in themselves, move their family into the property or there are serious rent arrears. They have to prove they are selling too - they cant just say they are!
  • Rent can only rise once a year, any rise above market rate can be disputed fairly and 2 months notice is given.
  • Landlords can't refuse you for having children or being on benefits (if you prove that benefits/finances make the property affordable). This isnt about being on full benefits either. Many single parents need benefits to top up income.
  • Landlord ombudsman - tennants can raise fair disputes and repair issues for free online and landlords cannot just ignore it/grey rock. Repeat offenders will be visable in the database. Landlords legally must act on the complaints.
  • Faster action must be taken on damp and mould. Basic human rights! No more shitty emails from a middle man letting agent just blaming the tennant for not opening a window - when actually (for example) a house needs its brickwork repointing.

The only legitimate thing I have empathy for is the concern that it will be more of a process to evict non paying tennants as it will need to go through a court. However - this is why landlord insurance exists!!

Please ask yourself - if your child was renting - wouldn't you want them protected like this?

OP posts:
dottiehens · Yesterday 08:15

The rental stock is very low at the moment. The places for less than £3000 pcm in London are dreadful. Either basements or second floors, horrible carpeting and old toilets. It is criminal that they charged so much. Even trying to buy is also criminal with the leasehold and service charges.

oviraptor21 · Yesterday 08:16

I am looking after an empty property on behalf of a relative working overseas. No way they will rent it out now that section 21 has been abolished.

puddingwisdom · Yesterday 08:16

1apenny2apenny · Yesterday 08:11

As regards damp, it’s not always just drying clothes indoors however there are many things a tenant can do to mitigate damp. But no, we’re not allowed to expect tenants to do anything to maximise a good living environment such as taking care of property and ventilating it. According to MN any problem with a property should be fixed immediately at any cost by the LL even if the tenants actions have caused it. Yet another area of society where people are allowed to just not take any responsibility for themselves.

Exactly - so for example, tenants can shove anything down the toilet - tampons, pads, whatever they like and then we get blamed when their toilet inevitably ends up blocked and overflowing. It must be a faulty toilet, right?- all our fault for not installing the toilet properly!

Of course LLs should fix things when they are broken but its not out of order to expect tenants to take care of the house and not be so careless that things get deliberately ruined.

StickStuck · Yesterday 08:17

We have a flat that we rent out. We have made a loss almost every year, but the idea was to give it to our adult kids one day. Life hasn’t really turned out that way so they won’t be moving in.

In 22 years we have only had three sets of tenants.

The first were two lovely professional women who were dream tenants. They even replaced some of the kitchen white goods, and were reluctant to accept money from us until we forced them! They moved out due to work. The second was a single mum who lived here with her kid until she turned 18 and then they moved back to their home country. We have always been on polite, friendly and mutual Christmas-card sending levels of friendliness with our tenants. We are genuinely good landlords who dealt with problems asap, and we have had good tenants.

However, due to the difference in how tax works, we are losing thousands of pounds every year. So as soon as we put it on the market, probably early next year we will sell it. I feel terrible. We have been lucky with another set of great tenants. A young family with an autistic child who attends the school very locally. I feel awful that they’re going to lose their home next year but we just can’t afford to lose thousands of pounds annually because of the changes in how the tax is calculated. This will be our first time essentially evicting tenants.

Anyway, I hope there are some winners from these changes. I feel that with so many landlords selling up, it is going to become an even bigger business with a few wealthy companies controlling all the private rentals.

Ncisdouble · Yesterday 08:18

Rent in advance was the only way I was able to get property when moving a changing jobs because I was essentially unemployed. From what I read the lls will not be able to acceot it even, not just ask for it.

Yes, itis more regulated in many otherplaces, but there are also more responsibilities on tenant which would totally not fly with people in UK. My sibling has clause about airing property and keeping drains clean for example. One of many things they have there. I can totally imagine the outrage about ll wanting people to open windows regularly 😂

OldGothNowadays · Yesterday 08:19

Dolphinnoises · Yesterday 07:48

I agree there is a lot of stuff in there that is necessary. Under this law though, if a tenant is trashing the property and upsetting the neighbours, what redress is there?

It's only no fault evictions that have been stopped. LLs can still evict for breach of tenancy.

It's to stop LLs evicting people so they can re let at a higher rent or to avoid doing essential or costly maintenance and re letting to someone who isn't aware of the issues when taking on the tenancy.

HoskinsChoice · Yesterday 08:19

Pineapplewhip · Yesterday 06:45

Did you not have landlord insurance to protect you? This is what i am assuming would protect a landlord - but not being a landlord myself I dont know about the cost/limits etc... so wanted to ask.

I agree I think people will sell up and the market will miss these rentals - but maybe after a time the next wave of "landlords to be" will just accept this is the norm and actually be responsible. I don't see the buy to let method of investment disappearing.

So you've started a thread about how dreadful landlords are but, in your first paragraph here, have just admitted that you're basing this on assumptions and that you don't actually know what you're talking about. Excellent. Well done.

ProudAmberTurtle · Yesterday 08:24

SapphOhNo · Yesterday 08:09

I'm so glad that thanks to this new bill I can hand my notice in on my god awful rental. Damp, mould, leaking roof that hasnt been sorted in six months.

One thing they still need to fix is unregulated letting agents.

You always could.

The law makes it easier for tenants to stay, not to leave.

BiteSizedLife · Yesterday 08:24

Siriusmuggle · Yesterday 07:14

it is. On the other side of it though- my 82 year old mum needs to sell her rental property so that she can move house into something manageable. The tenant was given notice 3 months ago and is refusing to move out so now she has to take thrm to court. The tenant thinks they’re standing up to a big mean landlord, not a little old lady who desperately needs to liquidate the asset to buy herself a more suitable property after being widowed.

I'm sorry for your loss 🌺 What an awful thing to have to go through while grieving her husband.

When my dad died, I remember it being a time a real trpidation and fear for my mum - my parents met when they were 16 and did life together every day since. What a position for your poor mum to be in - worrying alone about where she will cope to live because she cannot access her money.

ThePaleDreamer · Yesterday 08:25

Mydogisagentleman · Yesterday 06:54

We're landlords deliberately. Have had the same tenants for 8 and 6 years.
We fix what needs fixing, maintain the property to a high standard and are currently subsidising one set of tenants as their rent doesn't cover the mortgage or maintenance charges.
Friends got a section 21 a couple of days ago.

Along with 5 other households on their estate owned by the same person.
Our friends can move into our house for a couple of months. DH has moved to Spain for the year and we have 3 spare bedrooms.

currently subsidising one set of tenants as their rent doesn't cover the mortgage or maintenance charges.

What?
Its your responsibility to charge enough rent to cover what you need. You're not subsidising your tennants

Siriusmuggle · Yesterday 08:28

BiteSizedLife · Yesterday 08:24

I'm sorry for your loss 🌺 What an awful thing to have to go through while grieving her husband.

When my dad died, I remember it being a time a real trpidation and fear for my mum - my parents met when they were 16 and did life together every day since. What a position for your poor mum to be in - worrying alone about where she will cope to live because she cannot access her money.

Edited

They were together since mum was 16 so very similar. She’s managing well but she’s in the family home which is large, old and difficult to manage and may also be hard to sell. She knows she’s fortunate to own two properties but neither are suitable for her needs so she needs to sell both to get something right for her. The rental will sell really quickly which would have made her a cash buyer. She’s now stuck until hers sells which could take some time.

ProudAmberTurtle · Yesterday 08:28

ChristAliveHelp · Yesterday 08:10

Yes it is. Ive been without a working bathroom for over a month, cant shower can only have very small baths as weve been left without a bath panel or sealent they went to replace it and decided to put in a new bathroom… said it would be done 2 weeks ago. Chased them the landlord only got thr quote last week…. Meanwhile we can’t really bathe properly. Roll on tomorrow so I can get on their case!!

Your working bathroom falls under Section 11 of the Landlord and Tenant Act 1985 and the Homes (Fitness for Human Habitation) Act 2018.

The new law tomorrow won't make any difference when it comes to that, sadly.

BiteSizedLife · Yesterday 08:29

HoskinsChoice · Yesterday 08:19

So you've started a thread about how dreadful landlords are but, in your first paragraph here, have just admitted that you're basing this on assumptions and that you don't actually know what you're talking about. Excellent. Well done.

If we are making assumptions on stuff we dont know anything about can I join in as follows:

like most insurance policies, I would assume it is rare the bastards actually pay out anyway.

"Oh your tennant was wearing a yellow jumper on the day rent was due? Oh too bad. If he had been wearing blue then we could have paid out"

"Oh the rent was due on a Wednesday not a Thursday? oh too bad...."

Etc etc

Insurance policies are designed to take your money and not pay out.....

hotcrossbunnies12 · Yesterday 08:31

scummy landlord here. We have one small 2 bed house. When we first rented the property out after we moved into another one, our BTL mortgage was £200 a month. With interest rates increasing this has now increased to £650 a month. We can no longer deduct the mortgage from our taxable earnings from the house therefore after paying the letting agent the 10% monthly fee, tax, insurance and mortgage we are making a loss. We are good landlords and wouldn’t want to make anybody homeless but if a tenant were to stop paying rent it would put us at risk of bankruptcy over a long period of time as finding an additional £650 a month for a second mortgage is a lot of money. When we first made the decision to rent it out, £200 a month mortgage was manageable. I think the bill is great and won’t affect any good landlords, my only concern is how difficult it will be to evict the wrong tenant. Not all landlords have millions of pounds and lots of properties.

ProudAmberTurtle · Yesterday 08:31

The sad thing is - Reeves and Starmer likely know how bad this law is and how much it will make the housing market, and the economy, even worse.

But they're so weak they have to now do whatever their backbench MPs demand. And if that means throwing red meat at idiots because "landlords = capitalists = bad" then sobeit.

fundamentallyauthentic · Yesterday 08:32

Large corporations won’t be swooping in to buy the majority of homes on the market. They prefer redeveloped accommodation, offices, student blocks. In good areas. They aren’t interested in two bed terraced houses in Hull. I predict a lot of desperate landlords will be using those we buy any house companies, or sellling at auction.

Imanautumn · Yesterday 08:32

You cannot evict based on wanting to sell or move family in you’re wrong about that.

Luckyingame · Yesterday 08:32

Sure.
In the long run, it will have adverse effect.
Rents more expensive, less places to find, more homelessness.
But obviously, it's great for some audacious, disrespectful tenants.
I sold my rental property before Labour came into power and invested back into my country of origin, so I'm alright, Jack.

Upstartled · Yesterday 08:37

fundamentallyauthentic · Yesterday 08:32

Large corporations won’t be swooping in to buy the majority of homes on the market. They prefer redeveloped accommodation, offices, student blocks. In good areas. They aren’t interested in two bed terraced houses in Hull. I predict a lot of desperate landlords will be using those we buy any house companies, or sellling at auction.

Because properties for first time buyers are famously hard to sell?

SapphOhNo · Yesterday 08:37

ProudAmberTurtle · Yesterday 08:24

You always could.

The law makes it easier for tenants to stay, not to leave.

Not when I was in an 18 month tenancy with a landlord/letting agent on go slow to resolve anything.

JacknDiane · Yesterday 08:38

greenappletasty · Yesterday 07:01

Short sighted OP and naive. Unless you’re been a landlord you have no idea what reality is like. I’ve rented privately for 15 years before I bought and I’ve been a landlord too.

I was a landlord. I bought a house and the market crashed. If I had sold I would have lost money so I rented it out. I had over a decade of the most horrendous tenants and it showed me the very worst in people. Every single tenant trashed the house. Every single tenant disputed the deposit after trashing the house. Here’s just a small sample: left dog regularly overnight alone so it pissed, howled and barked. It took 6 months to get rid of the smell of piss and I had to take up an entire hard floor costing me over £5k in damages. Used a saw to cut off half a kitchen cupboard. Left so much shit in that house at end of tenancy that I had to order a skip. Ignored my repeat warnings not to remove the hair blocker from the shower, then flooded the entire lounge ceiling bringing it down and lied trying to pin it on the neighbouring house. The drain man I was made to pay for confirmed the pipes were blocked with copious amounts of hair yet tenant still demanded I pay it. Set fire to lounge carpet but refused to replace. Drilled 40 plus bolts into brand new painted bedroom walls and attached fitted cupboards. Cost me £1000s to repair. One tenancy change over I opened the oven door to find I was looking at the foundations of my house. They’d refused to clean the oven once and it was that bad the bottom of it had fallen out - when I said I needed to keep some of the deposit they screamed and shouted claiming it was fair wear and tear. Ripped out bathroom ceiling lights, smashed toilet pan, never ever weeded gardens, never ever handed back the house in the same pristine and clean state they got it, refused to pay for professional cleans at changeover despite it being in the contract, smashed ceiling light shades, defaulted on rent many times.

I had 5 tenants over a decade and they were all horrendous and entitled.

And as for mould and damp. I spent thousands because of their refusal and thick as mince attitude to old Victorian houses. I told each and every one repeatedly, “This is a Victorian house. It is designed to BREATHE. That means you must open windows every single day, no matter the season. You must not dry clothes on radiators. You must open the window every single time you shower.”

But no. Every single tenant refused to do this then complained repeatedly about the damp and mould spores forming on the walls everywhere. I even paid £900 for a specialist damp surveyor who presented them with a report saying this is not rising damp, or atmy other kind of damp. It is condensation caused by the inhabitants who are not treating the house as it needs to be treated. But they never listened. I’d lived in the house for nine years before I rented it out and never had any damp at all because I opened windows every day. It’s not rocket science. The damp inspector said most of his work was due to stupid tenants.

I could go on. I never made any profit and made a loss every year for a decade. Tenants have NO IDEA the costs of being responsible for the upkeep of a house. They have no idea that stress and time lost putting right their abuse of the property.

I did not increase rent once in ten years.

selling that house was the best thing I ever did. And it was in an area crying out for rental properties. Of which now there are hardly any and the demand is greater than ever.

The new bill has driven thousands of great landlords out and you will all be even more stuffed than you already are.

Wow. That last sentence was full of the vitriol and condescention you obviously feel for tenants.

Id love to hear their side of your story.

NeelyOHara · Yesterday 08:39

SapphOhNo · Yesterday 08:37

Not when I was in an 18 month tenancy with a landlord/letting agent on go slow to resolve anything.

Don’t you have a break clause? How long have you been there?

2Rebecca · Yesterday 08:40

There will just be fewer rental properties which is fine as house prices may go down if more houses sold. It will discourage casual renters. Bad for students good for other people

MeetMeOnTheCorner · Yesterday 08:41

Landlord insurance won’t pay for everything when tenants haven’t paid for months. It’s too onerous and rental properties are being sold. That means rents will go up and more competition for rental properties. So be it.

fundamentallyauthentic · Yesterday 08:43

Upstartled · Yesterday 08:37

Because properties for first time buyers are famously hard to sell?

Have you been on Rightmove, lately? All kinds of properties aren’t shifting. Mortgage rates are going up as well, adding to the perfect storm.

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