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To think allisons pearsons rant about Angela Rayner is full of nasty stereotypes about girls who are 16 and pregnant?

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Helhigh · 29/04/2026 07:07

Well I’m not a fan of Angela Rayner and have never voted labour but Pearsons rant in the telegraph yesterday was half assumptions that Rayner must have been a bully who thumped classmates for doing their homework and distracted the class by talking about how many boys she shagged.
And of course reading books and having a child at 16 is mutually exclusive.
I don’t think Rayner has ever said she was like this Pearson has just made a load of assumptions because she was 16 and pregnant.

Anyway it’s behind a pay wall so I had to copy and paste the nasty part:

“I have noticed a tendency among politicians and commentators, particularly the posh ones, to praise Rayner’s flame-haired “authenticity”. That’s because they didn’t go to school with an Angela. Those of us who did know the harm that the Angelas do to kids from poorer homes who want to work hard and do well but whose lessons are permanently disrupted by those who don’t. The Angelas sit in the back row of the class putting on make-up, doing their nails and chatting loudly, throughout readings from the set book, about who they’ve sh---ed. They disdain the teachers who are rather scared of them.
Angelas have sex by the age of 13 (they mock those of us who are saving our virginity for later). Pregnant at 16, they leave school without any qualifications and work behind the till in Mac Fisheries before embarking on a romantic life which features at least two injunctions and a restraining order. By the age of 37, they are grandmothers (as Rayner was).
Believe me, all the kids who want to get on in life breathe an almighty sigh of relief that the Angelas have left school because now they can hand in their homework and try to pass their exams without being ridiculed or thumped by an Angela.
So you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t join in the applause for Angela Rayner’s vibrant “back story” and her ascent to the top of government through militant trade unionism. The working-class kids I admire often came from difficult council-house homes, as Rayner did, but they clung on to education like a life raft. Or they saw a job opportunity and grasped it with both hands. They did that old-fashioned thing called bettering themselves”

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Selectivemute · 30/04/2026 12:47

Smeuse · 30/04/2026 12:08

Being a carer does not count as real work?

Sunak had a priviledged upbringing.

FGS.

Does Rayner have the requisite skillset/transferable skills. For much of her previous role, I would argue not.

I can recall her DA-style car crash interview with Andrew Neil.

She was found out, and didn’t like it. Brass neck will only carry you so far.

Smeuse · 30/04/2026 12:48

ManageAn · 30/04/2026 12:29

As someone of South Indian heritage, I love the Murthys!

They weren't born into wealth but set up and created a valuable tech company worth billions and employing many other people.

So it's ok for them to build up from scratch but not for Rayner?

Smeuse · 30/04/2026 12:49

Selectivemute · 30/04/2026 12:47

FGS.

Does Rayner have the requisite skillset/transferable skills. For much of her previous role, I would argue not.

I can recall her DA-style car crash interview with Andrew Neil.

She was found out, and didn’t like it. Brass neck will only carry you so far.

So sorry you never made it to Deputy PM, jealousy isn't a good look.

nearlylovemyusername · 30/04/2026 12:50

BIossomtoes · 30/04/2026 12:37

Seriously? Who gave the order to invade Iraq? And did I miss Andy Burnham being elected to parliament, let alone becoming chancellor? The desperation round here is growing fast.

Iraq??

Look, I appreciate your consistency with being religious about Labour, but can you try reading please? not MN posts, but actual articles or research? ideally independent, not just taxjustice.uk

No, Andy hasn't been elected, but it's certain that Labour will bleed badly on 7th May and it is likely there will be reshuffle at best, if Starmer doesn't go. Markets are shit scared of left government, Andy is one of the possible successors of Starmer, hence the reaction.

Just think about it - as a private person you can get your mortgage now much cheaper than 5.73%. This tells you everything about current UK government and state of economy.

We pay over 111bn of interest pa. This is just slightly below our entire education budget. Just this about it.

Selectivemute · 30/04/2026 12:55

Smeuse · 30/04/2026 12:49

So sorry you never made it to Deputy PM, jealousy isn't a good look.

Well, for one - it doesn’t pay enough.

And therein lies half of the issue. Peanuts & simians…

BIossomtoes · 30/04/2026 12:55

Iraq??

Typo/autocorrect. As I’m sure you realise.

Tigerbalmshark · 30/04/2026 12:55

ManageAn · 30/04/2026 12:06

She's not really "worked" much in the real world. I don't count what she did in a Union as anything productive.

It's why I'm a Tory. At least Sunak had multiple years of real work in the private sector, working in business.

The fact that you don’t like unions does not mean that working for one isn’t a real job Hmm

I don’t think much to arms dealers, but I’m not imbecilic enough to claim the head of sales at Raytheon doesn’t count as employment.

PigletJohn · 30/04/2026 13:01

I don't seriously believe the Telegraph gives a fuck about teenage pregnancy,

They just want to denigrate a Labour politician that frightens them.

5128gap · 30/04/2026 13:01

Verv · 30/04/2026 11:01

Apologies, didn't mean to rattle the appreciation society.

Perhaps extend your apologies to the 'How about we look at the evidence before we enthusiastically agree with the imaginings of someone saying what we want to be true' society?
Because not liking AR isn't the problem. Your willingness to accept a stereotype of a WC child as a sex obsessed bully, because you dislike the woman she became and a substandard journalist has spun you a tale, is.

TemperanceWest · 30/04/2026 13:24

BIossomtoes · 30/04/2026 12:37

Seriously? Who gave the order to invade Iraq? And did I miss Andy Burnham being elected to parliament, let alone becoming chancellor? The desperation round here is growing fast.

And apparently the FT is wrong and nearlylovemyusername knows better.

It is almost as though some posters want to see the UK plunge into some sort of financial armageddon. You have to wonder about their agenda.

user4903456342 · 30/04/2026 13:30

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 29/04/2026 07:45

So should women not be permitted to criticise other women?

You're literally criticising @thepariscrimefiles for criticising Allison Pearson (who is a loathsome, disingenuous piece of filth).

Selectivemute · 30/04/2026 13:34

TemperanceWest · 30/04/2026 13:24

And apparently the FT is wrong and nearlylovemyusername knows better.

It is almost as though some posters want to see the UK plunge into some sort of financial armageddon. You have to wonder about their agenda.

Me, me!

I want to see an economic crisis brought on by Labour - not for the poor people, but to see this lot carried out, rather than the current death by a thousand cuts.

My agenda is crystal.

nearlylovemyusername · 30/04/2026 13:37

TemperanceWest · 30/04/2026 13:24

And apparently the FT is wrong and nearlylovemyusername knows better.

It is almost as though some posters want to see the UK plunge into some sort of financial armageddon. You have to wonder about their agenda.

FT is wrong? in what way? I quoted FT and agree with their view.
Or did you misread my post?

TemperanceWest · 30/04/2026 13:40

nearlylovemyusername · 30/04/2026 13:37

FT is wrong? in what way? I quoted FT and agree with their view.
Or did you misread my post?

No, I didn't misread.

ManageAn · 30/04/2026 13:41

MulberryBrandy · 30/04/2026 12:41

Ok? You said: That's a decent, honourable job. But she was then a union rep for longer.
And?: It's why I'm a Tory. At least Sunak had multiple years of real work in the private sector, working in business.

Sunak let himself be very compromised. To sit there next to Johnson who promoted a sex abuser to be their Government whip. He was fined for Partygate, etc. You are putting down Angela's honest hard work yet praising this flawed man.

Sunak isn't to blame for pincher. The partygate fine was absolute nonsense. Walking into a meeting room early and having sandwiches.

IAmBeaIDrinkTea · 30/04/2026 13:42

5128gap · 30/04/2026 13:01

Perhaps extend your apologies to the 'How about we look at the evidence before we enthusiastically agree with the imaginings of someone saying what we want to be true' society?
Because not liking AR isn't the problem. Your willingness to accept a stereotype of a WC child as a sex obsessed bully, because you dislike the woman she became and a substandard journalist has spun you a tale, is.

Exactly this

ManageAn · 30/04/2026 13:46

Smeuse · 30/04/2026 12:48

So it's ok for them to build up from scratch but not for Rayner?

She can do what she wants. I just don't find her admirable or someone I want as PM.

ManageAn · 30/04/2026 13:58

Tigerbalmshark · 30/04/2026 12:55

The fact that you don’t like unions does not mean that working for one isn’t a real job Hmm

I don’t think much to arms dealers, but I’m not imbecilic enough to claim the head of sales at Raytheon doesn’t count as employment.

When I think about unions, I think about not-working instead of working. And those who work at the unions....

The same way I don't think the diversity officer jobs in the NHS are real jobs.

Notonthestairs · 30/04/2026 14:05

Diversity roles include women’s employment opportunities and exercise of rights. But whatever.

5128gap · 30/04/2026 14:09

ManageAn · 30/04/2026 13:58

When I think about unions, I think about not-working instead of working. And those who work at the unions....

The same way I don't think the diversity officer jobs in the NHS are real jobs.

That's because you don't understand what the work of either entails.

Smeuse · 30/04/2026 14:13

ManageAn · 30/04/2026 13:46

She can do what she wants. I just don't find her admirable or someone I want as PM.

You don't have to admire or support her to agree that she worked hard to get where she is now and that she has done well for herself.

Hopefully she inspires young people who find themselves in similar circumstances

ManageAn · 30/04/2026 14:17

Notonthestairs · 30/04/2026 14:05

Diversity roles include women’s employment opportunities and exercise of rights. But whatever.

So HR?

ManageAn · 30/04/2026 14:26

Smeuse · 30/04/2026 14:13

You don't have to admire or support her to agree that she worked hard to get where she is now and that she has done well for herself.

Hopefully she inspires young people who find themselves in similar circumstances

I don't think she has worked hard. I think Keir Starmer probably has. But if you compare the top in Labour Vs the top in the Tories. The top in the Tories have almost always had successful private sector careers before serving their country.

Smeuse · 30/04/2026 14:28

ManageAn · 30/04/2026 14:26

I don't think she has worked hard. I think Keir Starmer probably has. But if you compare the top in Labour Vs the top in the Tories. The top in the Tories have almost always had successful private sector careers before serving their country.

Oh yes, only 'real' jobs count as hard work

I forgot.

Selectivemute · 30/04/2026 14:29

ManageAn · 30/04/2026 14:26

I don't think she has worked hard. I think Keir Starmer probably has. But if you compare the top in Labour Vs the top in the Tories. The top in the Tories have almost always had successful private sector careers before serving their country.

Correct.

Which gives them a certain latitude versus Labours grifters - many of whom love a freebie/jolly.