to think “food noise” is becoming one of those phrases people hide behind rather than actually dealing with their eating habits?

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I keep hearing people say they have “food noise” and that’s why they’re constantly thinking about food or snacking, but isn’t that just hunger, boredom, habit, or emotional eating dressed up in a nicer label? I’m not saying it’s not real for some people, especially where there are medical issues involved, but the way it’s thrown around now makes it sound like no one has any control over it at all.

It just feels like another way to remove any personal responsibility. Not everything needs a label. Sometimes it’s just about eating properly and getting enough protein and actually addressing emotional eating.

@abso, that may not be the way that food noise works for you, but I suspect that for some people food noise may be driven in part by UPFs and / or the addictive qualities of high sugar, high fat food.

It isn't driven by UPFs for me either, but I think that so many of us have such dysfunctional relationships with food and / or dysregulated hormonal responses, that very little can be dismissed as utter bollocks.

I don't think you understand proper low carbing, at all.

I'm not aggressive, I'm fed up with people like you who think stupid questions like 'what did you call it' are some kind of 'gotcha'

they're not.

i didn't 'call it' anything, because I didn't know what to call it. It doesn't mean I didn't have it.

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I know what you mean. It sounds ridiculous but the amount of effort to look the same is exhausting 😂

Med express & Voy both prescribe at 25+ now. I had to supply a photo.

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No it's not

You'll be told your aggressive in a minute!

some posters just can't accept that.

I find this obsession with the word ‘greed’ so interesting. Why are some people so invested in upholding this very judgmental moral aspect?

Calling it greed casts it entirely as a moral failing, with all its connotations of selfishness and disregard for others. Do you ever stop to wonder if that’s fair?

I’ve struggled not to overeat for my whole life. A battle every single day before WLI. You want to insist that’s because I’m greedy - that I want more than my share, an insatiable desire to possess more than I deserve. But how does that tally with other aspects of who I am? Like the fact that I would never eat a slice of cake if it meant someone else missed out, like how I will always give another person the bigger portion, like how every month I spend a week’s grocery budget on items needed by the food bank, like how I’d share every treat I have with a friend or colleague, how I go last when dishing up food to make sure there is plenty for everyone, how I take the smallest slice if I’m offered first. Food noise is constant in my life but I don’t recognise myself as greedy when all of my behaviours in respect of other people are geared towards sharing and fairness.

It makes some people feel good to think that being overweight is purely an issue of greed. If you aren’t overweight yourself it gives you a sense of moral superiority, because if fat people are greedy and you’re not fat it must mean you’re free of that particular sin. It lets you think your slimness is because of desirable personal attributes, an achievement for which you should get praise and recognition. You don’t like WLIs because you feel like slimness is a praiseworthy achievement and you think getting there by the use of WLIs is cheating.

Well, that’s fine. Think what makes you happy about yourself. But I know that when you think I’m fat because I’m greedy, you’re wrong, and you don’t know anything about it.

I find this obsession with the word ‘greed’ so interesting. Why are some people so invested in upholding this very judgmental moral aspect

because weight is something they are deeply messed up about, and they wish to be offensive, goady, insulting. Whay they don’t realise is it says more about them than they wish people to know.

id also bet good money some of the posters saying this are fat.

Yes I’m sure that’s true - people who have internalised the shame and stigma and so perpetrate it themselves. I’ve definitely seen an attitude from some other fat people whereby they seem to think that if they’re cruel and judgmental about fatness they’re somehow distinct from fat people who adopt a less judgmental perspective, because they’re somehow being ‘realistic’ about it. It’s like they’re saying ‘I may be fat but at least I recognise that it’s because I’m weak-willed and greedy, and that recognition makes me morally superior to fat people who insist they’re not greedy’.

And it’s all just sad and unnecessary because the world would genuinely be so much better if we didn’t see weight and morality as inextricably linked.

What I’m finding particularly difficult about this thread is that people who experience quite extreme food noise have posted on here honestly and openly and made themselves vulnerable in doing so only for a bunch of absolutely awful people to
come along and dismiss our lived experience, tell us it’s a made
up phrase and try to police our language, call us greedy or not busy enough or we don’t have enough willpower.

It’s absolutely disgusting and those of you that have done this should be really ashamed of yourselves. Except
you won’t be. It says far more about your moral character than caving into food noise will ever say about mine or any of the other unfortunate people on here who have bravely shared this about themselves in the hope that someone will understand.