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AIBU to end a tenancy so my niece can live there?

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SunnyDaysAndCoolNights · Yesterday 14:12

We have a house that we rent out to a family with 2 children who have been in the house for about 7 years. The house is in the same city that our niece is at university in.

Just after Xmas, my niece asked us if she could live in the house for her second and third year at uni, (possibly longer) as the houses she had looked at weren’t very nice and she can’t stay in halls.

After speaking to my husband, we decided to say yes and we gave our tenants a section 21 notice in February. Our tenants were/are not happy and have been advised to stay in the house by the council. We thought that may happen which is why we served the notice in February despite my niece not needing the house until September. We were also aware of the new rules coming in soon which would make it harder to end a tenancy.

Since finding out that we have ended the tenancy for our current tenants, my brother and his wife (not nieces parents) have told us that we are ‘typical arsehole landlords’ for ‘kicking out a family’. They think our niece, also their niece is selfish for asking, that she could have found somewhere herself and that we should have put our tenants first as they have been our tenants for quite a long time and they have children. My brother and his wife rent with their children, so obviously that may play a part in their feelings on this. I feel upset they would say these things as I think it’s normal to put your own family first. My other brother and his wife who are parents of my niece are very annoyed at our other brother and his wife.

Would you have done the same as we have or would you have put the tenants first and said no to your niece? I do have sympathy for my tenants, they’re a nice family and have been good tenants, but obviously we love our niece and to us, she comes first.

OP posts:
nearlylovemyusername · Yesterday 18:51

canklesmctacotits · Yesterday 18:28

Why would the local authority have to find them suitable accommodation? These tenants have been paying rent reliably for 7 years. They're able. They can do that, themselves and without LA involvement, elsewhere. What makes you think they can't?

I suspect they were charged (substantially) below the market rate. So they can't find a similar property for the same money. I'm not sure why council (taxpayer) has to deal with this though.

cloudsinmycopy · Yesterday 18:51

Respectfully, I agree with your brother.

BoredZelda · Yesterday 18:51

SunnyDaysAndCoolNights · Yesterday 16:39

Possibly have given up her course. When she spoke to me after Xmas, she was very upset after looking at places as they all had damp/mold and were in bad condition or she would have to be in a shared house which she can’t cope with. We went and looked at some places with her and they were bad. She was contemplating giving up and moving back home which I didn’t want as uni has been good for her in a lot of ways.

In the whole of the city your place is the only one suitable? You are willing to let her stay for peanuts, why not help fund a better place for her?

sayitisntsoo · Yesterday 18:53

I think it was very sensible to move the tenants out now if you will probably sell the house in the next couple of years. It's not going to be any better for them to move out in 2 years than it is now anyway. As it is they're refusing to move out so I really couldn't feel too sorry for them and I assume the new rules would mean it would only get harder to get them to move out.

I think your niece is very lucky. You own the place and you've done what's best for you and yours, nothing wrong with that at all.

SunnyDaysAndCoolNights · Yesterday 18:54

cloudsinmycopy · Yesterday 18:51

Respectfully, I agree with your brother.

Appreciated. 😂

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UnhappyHobbit · Yesterday 18:54

ChakaKan · Yesterday 18:48

I don’t think it’s a technicality. Both are quite shitty really aren’t they.
Temp accommodation is usually hostels, bedsits or sometimes a different hotel every night. Would you fancy that? Moving all your stuff into various shitholes just so you have a roof over your head. I wouldn’t.
For a family of 4 who have done nothing wrong except not being the OP’s niece.

It’s a choice though isn’t it, because they can clearly pay rent. They just want it cheaper, hence the joining the council waiting list.

Too many people clearly don’t realise that the tenants in this example are waiting for the council option out of a choice. It’s nothing to do with the OPs niece.

Arregaithel · Yesterday 18:55

as @Nanny0gg mentioned; The renter's rights act may enlighten further as to why @SunnyDaysAndCoolNights is trying to justify their, still reprehensible action.

Key Changes for Landlords (Effective 1 May 2026):
Evictions: Section 21 "no-fault" evictions are abolished.

Landlords must use a strengthened Section 8 notice, citing legal grounds such as rent arrears, antisocial behaviour, or intent to sell/occupy the property.

eta; link

FlamingoFloss · Yesterday 18:56

SunnyDaysAndCoolNights · Yesterday 14:24

No, not a reverse. I’ve done it because I have chosen to put my families needs first.

In that case, I don’t think you need to come
posting on here then. You’ve made your decision so why post?

ThatCyanCat · Yesterday 18:56

JustBack · Yesterday 18:47

Do people actually send nasty private messages? That’s awful.

We once had a guy on here fantasising about shagging his MIL. I laughed at him and he started sending me frantic messages about how he really was shagging his MIL and it was very important that I believed him.

GardenCovent · Yesterday 18:58

I do think YABU op, not legally but morally it isn’t great.
Did your niece honestly ask to rent your house when she must have known there were already tennants in it? Autistic or not she must have known that the tenants in there already would have to move out to allow her to move in. That’s just downright selfish.
You said you are trying to come to an arrangement with your tennants, what sort of arrangement?

ChakaKan · Yesterday 18:58

UnhappyHobbit · Yesterday 18:54

It’s a choice though isn’t it, because they can clearly pay rent. They just want it cheaper, hence the joining the council waiting list.

Too many people clearly don’t realise that the tenants in this example are waiting for the council option out of a choice. It’s nothing to do with the OPs niece.

They may not have the money for a new deposit and first month’s rent though, which is what you need to secure a new private rental. So they may not have a choice, particularly seeing as they have been served with an eviction they didn’t plan for.

likelysuspect · Yesterday 18:58

KeepPumping · Yesterday 18:50

This family are not "service users" though, that term implies a need for support due to various issues and not all landlords are looking for that type of tenant.

Even 'non service user' tenants are facing a lack of supply and huge barriers such as needing guarantors and high costs. This isnt changed over the last 5 years

A very slight change over recent months is not the same as increased supply. I think the figures are that private lets are around 20% down over the last 5 yeras or so

JustBack · Yesterday 18:59

ThatCyanCat · Yesterday 18:56

We once had a guy on here fantasising about shagging his MIL. I laughed at him and he started sending me frantic messages about how he really was shagging his MIL and it was very important that I believed him.

That’s just hideous. A real sign of a disordered personality. Why do they care so much?

MaybeToxic · Yesterday 19:00

SunnyDaysAndCoolNights · Yesterday 15:55

No, because from the start I have said I have sympathy for the tenants but that I will put my niece first. It’s not as if in my first post I said I have found it easy or that it’s a decision I enjoyed making. I already agreed that it’s awful for the tenants but I do still feel that my niece has to come first as she is my family and needs help.

Why can't she just keep living with you, like she already is part-time anyway? X

KeepPumping · Yesterday 19:00

nearlylovemyusername · Yesterday 18:51

I suspect they were charged (substantially) below the market rate. So they can't find a similar property for the same money. I'm not sure why council (taxpayer) has to deal with this though.

They will find another landlord who has to pay their BTL debt and knows sensible rent is better than no rent.

https://www.zoopla.co.uk/press/releases/rental-demand-drops-to-six-year-low-as-supply-improves-and-rental-growth/

NamelessNancy · Yesterday 19:00

likelysuspect · Yesterday 18:26

I dont know why people keep saying this as if this person is going to be rattling around not knowing what to do because theres more than one bedroom and being unhapy because they're not in a studio flat.

I;d bloody love having a whole house to myself at 19. Now in fact too.

It's not just about the property size though is it? A managed student flat could give her the privacy she needs with a self contained unit but also help on site for when she trips the electrics, blocks the toilet, whatever else a 19 year old may need some support with if living alone rather than in a house/flat share. Also 24hr security.

Bloopbloopbleep · Yesterday 19:01

Will you be giving your tenants a good reference to support them in their ongoing search - even if they do refuse to move out? I feel like this is the very least you could do

TheSecretAgent1 · Yesterday 19:01

Dullmary · Yesterday 18:50

I mean, this is one of the goadiest threads I’ve ever read so I’m not convinced it’s even genuine. Surely nobody is so self centred to just breezily say they’re putting ‘family first’ while making a family homeless at a time when there are no rentals and nobody has any money? A family that have paid their hard earned money to OP for many years?

Sorry I’m not buying it. If OP isn’t a DM journalist or a troll this is awfully depressing. Is this really what we have become?

Oh I can confirm this sort of thing happens, because it happened to me twice. One time it was because their friend moved to Canada in the dead of winter and then a month in couldn't cope with the weather, decided to move back and needed somewhere to live. Then the landlord proceeded to tell me how difficult it is for her to cope with evicting me. You couldn't make it up.

likelysuspect · Yesterday 19:01

nearlylovemyusername · Yesterday 18:51

I suspect they were charged (substantially) below the market rate. So they can't find a similar property for the same money. I'm not sure why council (taxpayer) has to deal with this though.

Why are you saying they were paying below market rate?

Onmytod24 · Yesterday 19:01

You should have spoken to her parents.
An entire house would leave yr niece very vulnerable and isolated.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · Yesterday 19:02

UnhappyHobbit · Yesterday 18:54

It’s a choice though isn’t it, because they can clearly pay rent. They just want it cheaper, hence the joining the council waiting list.

Too many people clearly don’t realise that the tenants in this example are waiting for the council option out of a choice. It’s nothing to do with the OPs niece.

It is possibly even more difficult for a family to find a good place to rent than for the OP’s niece, though. With these new landlord/tenant laws coming in at the end of the week, many private landlords are selling their properties as they can’t be doing with the expense/faff. This means that there are even fewer properties available to rent on the market, whether private or council, and those that are available on the private market are becoming more expensive thanks to profiteering landlords. So your idea that these tenants “want it cheaper” has no basis in the reality of the current market for tenants.

loislovesstewie · Yesterday 19:02

nearlylovemyusername · Yesterday 18:51

I suspect they were charged (substantially) below the market rate. So they can't find a similar property for the same money. I'm not sure why council (taxpayer) has to deal with this though.

Because in 1977 a piece of legislation was enacted that codified how local authorities should deal with people who were going to become homeless. The legislation was as a result of a television programme called Cathy Come Home. It was a groundbreaking piece of docudrama. It took several years and much campaigning for a private members Bill to become law. The bill was almost universally supported on both sides of the house. Since 1977 that legislation has been altered, amended and changed to reflect whichever government is in office, what that administration thinks of homeless people and the times we live in.
If you are sufficiently interested, the legislation is on the government website, you could peruse it as bedtime reading. The legislation is further codified by the code of guidance and caselaw. A lot of points to consider when dealing with people who are going to be homeless.

AutumnAllTheWay · Yesterday 19:03

Its your house for crying out loud.

Of course you can decide who lives there.

And I say this as a family who spent many years renting.

Can't understand anyone saying otherwise.

ThatCyanCat · Yesterday 19:04

JustBack · Yesterday 18:59

That’s just hideous. A real sign of a disordered personality. Why do they care so much?

I don't know but I told him to knock it off or I'd report him. Sticky keyboard, I reckon. He just wanted an audience of women for his disgustingness.

likelysuspect · Yesterday 19:04

NamelessNancy · Yesterday 19:00

It's not just about the property size though is it? A managed student flat could give her the privacy she needs with a self contained unit but also help on site for when she trips the electrics, blocks the toilet, whatever else a 19 year old may need some support with if living alone rather than in a house/flat share. Also 24hr security.

Jesus, she isnt 5!!!

Shes a grown adult. She can deal with those things and doesnt need 24 hour security, who is she Beyonce or something?

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