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LL came into my garden and removed my bird feeders

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goodoldsussexbythesea · 26/04/2026 16:01

My landlady lives locally and often drives past my house. Early this morning, I was in my front garden, filling my bird feeders, and she pulled over and said that the advice from the RSPB is not to feed birds from feeders any more.

I told her that actually, the advice is not to feed them seeds and peanuts between May-October this year and I'm planning on following the advice so I was just using up the last of my seed now as it's not May yet.

She got really defensive and said "well, I just think it's important to follow the advice so I'd rather you didn't do it, please take the feeders down!!" which really annoyed me so I said, well it's not May yet so no, and anyway the advice is that you can feed them (small amounts of) mealworm and suet balls after May so I will be doing that, and she didn't say anything else, just drove off.

This really wound me up and I was annoyed for the rest of the day, took the kids out to a farm park and I arrived home an hour ago, and my feeders have gone out of my garden!!!

I checked my ring doorbell and she's bloody come into the garden, armed with a plastic carrier bag, removed my feeders and taken them away!!

I rang her three times back to back and she wouldn't pick up, so I whatsapped her and it immediately went to two blue ticks. I said - "Please return my bird feeders immediately, they are my property and you had no right to take them. I am following the advice but even if I was not, you still have no right to take my things."

After half an hour she replied "I am not currently allowing tenants to use bird feeders at my properties and have asked that they all be removed. I was passing so I removed yours for you, they are in safe keeping and will be returned in October"

My AIBU is not about who was in the right because I bloody well know I am, but whether or not I should call the police. I spoke to my neighbour about it and she said I shouldn't and that I should just replace them and remove the cost from the rent. She says she's obviously nuts and I shouldn't risk falling out with her

YABU - Don't call police, replace and charge her or do something else
YANBU - Call the police, report her for theft, and give them the doorbell footage.

OP posts:
goodoldsussexbythesea · 29/04/2026 21:34

DiveStraightIn · 29/04/2026 21:24

I think this might come back to bite you op. She might back down temporarily but I don’t think you will win this longer term.

The cost of backing down, to my dignity, my self-respect, and the example I am setting to my children, is too great of a cost for me.

OP posts:
Triskellion75 · 29/04/2026 21:39

Do you know what, I can see why people are worried for you OP, but I also think you're amazing to come through the hell you have unbroken and fighting.

goodoldsussexbythesea · 29/04/2026 21:40

Triskellion75 · 29/04/2026 21:39

Do you know what, I can see why people are worried for you OP, but I also think you're amazing to come through the hell you have unbroken and fighting.

TYSM. I am by no means unbroken but I am fighting!

OP posts:
Beachtastic · 29/04/2026 22:21

goodoldsussexbythesea · 29/04/2026 21:40

TYSM. I am by no means unbroken but I am fighting!

Good that you won't just accept her madness, but are you still planning to send your original letter? I'm not sure if you saw my alternative suggestion upthread but I fear that if you go in with all guns blazing, it creates no way of de-escalating the situation without her losing face. Better I think to show her you know you have the right cards to play, but are being gracious (for now!), and give her a chance to make amends.

DiveStraightIn · 29/04/2026 23:39

goodoldsussexbythesea · 29/04/2026 21:34

The cost of backing down, to my dignity, my self-respect, and the example I am setting to my children, is too great of a cost for me.

Personally I think if you end up losing your home, that will be worse, and even if she backs down initially, she will be one of those people that will ‘get you back’ in the end and you won’t be living in the property this time next year. 😞 I think when you are a parent, you sometimes have to put up with some crap if is best for your kids, which I think it is as they need to keep their home. Bigger picture and all that.

Good luck though and I hope everything works out.

TyneTeas · 29/04/2026 23:51

I can understand why you want to take it further (I would too!) and think your draft letter is good....however perhaps send a slightly more looking to resolve in a conciliatory manner, first (not that you should need to) and keep the more nuclear one for if it doesn't work

Eg to expand into full sentences but as an outline

hi, following our conversation on xx, I request that you return my property which I have footage of and you have confirmed taking in messages. I understand the RSPCA guidance and am intending to follow. However regardless this does not mean you can enter the property outside of xxx and retain my property. In order to resolve this amicably without need for further action, please return it by Xx

ForeverTheOptomist · 30/04/2026 00:32

goodoldsussexbythesea · 29/04/2026 14:41

If anyone fancies looking over the letter and giving any feedback, I would be grateful. I intend to post it on 1st May by recorded delivery.

Dear Controlling Cow,

Re: Unlawful Removal of My Property and Unauthorised Entry

I am writing regarding the removal of my personal property, namely my bird feeders, from the garden of 69 madeup street, without my consent.

These items remain my legal property. Under the Torts (Interference with Goods) Act 1977, any person who interferes with goods belonging to another without lawful justification may be liable for damages and required to return those goods. Landlords are not entitled to remove or retain tenants’ possessions without following proper legal procedures.

In addition, your entry into the garden without my permission is unacceptable. As a tenant, I am entitled to “quiet enjoyment” of the property, including the garden where it forms part of the tenancy. This right is protected under the Protection from Eviction Act 1977. A landlord does not have the right to enter the property or its associated areas without proper notice and my consent, except in genuine emergencies.

You are therefore required to refrain from entering the garden or any part of the property without my prior agreement going forward.
I formally request that you:

  1. Return the bird feeders to the property in their original condition; or
  2. Arrange for me to collect them within 7 days of the date of this letter

If the items are not returned within this timeframe, I will consider taking further action without additional notice. This may include issuing a claim in the County Court for recovery of my property and/or compensation for its value, as well as any associated losses.

I hope this matter can be resolved promptly and amicably.

Yours sincerely,
Your Pissed off Tenant

Please don't do this.

In the very least, remove the personal insults/salutation.

You have clearly had a lot of deal with in life given your abusive ex, and it must be frightening. The last thing you need is to fall out with your landlady.

There are lots of suggestions in the thread as to how to go ahead.

I'll buy you a bluddy bird feeder.

MelOfTheRoses · 30/04/2026 00:33

What TyneTees said. Go for the looking reasonable and giving the daft landlord an way out first, whilst remaining firm.

FryingPam · 30/04/2026 01:19

I’m with you..it’s outrageous and I understand why you can’t just let it go. Good luck with your letter!

MrCollinsandhisboiledpotatoes · 30/04/2026 05:06

ForeverTheOptomist · 30/04/2026 00:32

Please don't do this.

In the very least, remove the personal insults/salutation.

You have clearly had a lot of deal with in life given your abusive ex, and it must be frightening. The last thing you need is to fall out with your landlady.

There are lots of suggestions in the thread as to how to go ahead.

I'll buy you a bluddy bird feeder.

I don't think OP is actually planning on writing "controlling cow" or "pissed off tenant". It's just a way of not including real life names for mumsnet. She's also written her address as "67 made-up street"

MouseMama · 30/04/2026 05:49

I would start the letter setting out exactly what has happened factually. You don’t need to get into the detail of the RSPB advice but just say that she saw you putting out your feeders and asked you not to and you said you wished to continue using bird feeders. You returned later and the bird feeders were gone and her taking them was confirmed on your Ring doorbell and you spoke with her and she confirmed that she had taken them and plans to retain them until the Autumn.

if you do take it to court it is helpful to have it all written out in a single contemporaneous document. Also that you are already planning for this to be read by a third party will be clear to her and make her realise that you are taking this very seriously.

SheSaidHummingbird · 30/04/2026 06:42

@goodoldsussexbythesea You have three young children to house safely and with stability. If you want to throw away their home and the 'quiet enjoyment' of their own lives over a bird feeder, then go right ahead.

WhatAboutSecondBreakfast86 · 30/04/2026 07:09

goodoldsussexbythesea · 29/04/2026 20:54

I appreciate your concern and advice. Genuinely. But no. I'm not letting it lie. I'm taking this further.

I told myself I'll never let anyone control and bully me again. I told my children I'll never let anyone control and bully them ever again and that they should always stick up for themselves and each other. They're already asking where the feeders have gone and what the baby birds are going to eat now. What example am I setting them by showing them I am just going to put up with someone coming into our garden and taking our things? How can I claim to be a mum who keeps her promises when I am letting some lady walk all over us?

It's about so much more than the £30 or so I spent on bird feeding stuff. Attitudes like "They are only bird feeders" and "this is petty" and "don't antagonise her, she can make you homeless" is EXACTLY why LLs get away with this sort of bullshit and worse, every day. Just look at some of the stories on this thread, worse than that is happening all the time.

These people need to understand we as renters and customers deserve and are entitled to respect. These are our family homes, and we are people, not just cash cows.

I'm sending a message and teaching a lesson because it's bullshit and why the fuck should she get away with it?

I was speaking to my mum again today and she made the very good point that if I do let her get away with it, then it sets a precedent. What will she do next? come in my house? Remove something from my living room she disapproves of? Happens every damn day. There's a million stories of LLs pulling this shit. We need to be setting firm boundaries.

So yeah, letter going out Thursday and if she doesn't return my stuff, I'm taking it to court. Even if I lose, it still sends a message.

Oh and thank you for the amazon link but that's a flat feeder and they're not recommended for birds as they spread disease

Edited

Well said OP!

WhatAboutSecondBreakfast86 · 30/04/2026 07:10

SheSaidHummingbird · 30/04/2026 06:42

@goodoldsussexbythesea You have three young children to house safely and with stability. If you want to throw away their home and the 'quiet enjoyment' of their own lives over a bird feeder, then go right ahead.

Don't be so ridiculous.

Winter2020 · 30/04/2026 09:28

I have said more than enough on this thread so the last thing I will say is that not one of the people on this thread egging you on will give a shit when you are homeless.

The example you will be setting your children, if you let things lie, is that you prioritise the roof over their heads over everything else.

You won't be a one woman crusade changing the world for tenants everywhere with your court claim OP, you will get your bird feeders back or be compensated for them and then be made homeless.

user1464187087 · 30/04/2026 09:38

DogWithADaisyChain · 26/04/2026 17:02

Because I don’t want a rat issue on a property I own that may end up costing me money to sort out. I’d have thought that is fairly obvious. It can also impact the neighbours. Yes, I put in it in the tenancy agreement, but sometimes people break the rules.

I genuinely can't believe that you have had to explain that. It is obvious.

ILookLikeAPinkBlancmange · 30/04/2026 09:46

My sympathies are with you entirely, OP, and I think your LL has a bloody cheek, but I can't help wondering if your anger is fuelled by your inability to control your ex. Maybe your efforts (and money) would be better spent dealing with that issue?

HelloItsMeYourRobotVaccuum · 30/04/2026 09:48

To be fair the days of landlords being able to make life u reasonably difficult for tenants appear to be over with this new bill. It will be very difficult for her to do anything while you’re paying your rent unless she plans to actually put the house up for sale or move in herself (in which case you’d need to move out anyway). I have no skin in this game as neither tenant or landlord but it sounds as if she very much needs to rethink her approach to her business before the week is out.

WhatAboutSecondBreakfast86 · 30/04/2026 10:00

Winter2020 · 30/04/2026 09:28

I have said more than enough on this thread so the last thing I will say is that not one of the people on this thread egging you on will give a shit when you are homeless.

The example you will be setting your children, if you let things lie, is that you prioritise the roof over their heads over everything else.

You won't be a one woman crusade changing the world for tenants everywhere with your court claim OP, you will get your bird feeders back or be compensated for them and then be made homeless.

Look, she is renting therefore there is always going to be an element of homelessness risk. It isn't permanent secure housing. As I said upthread, there is no way the council would see her on the street in a worse case scenario so you are talking rubbish.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 30/04/2026 10:23

OP, I completely understand why you are so justifiably angry about this LL. I admire your bravery and I'm one of the first people to say stand up to bullies. I also understand about wanting to set an example to your children about standing up for themselves and being assertive.

But as someone who has experienced bullying I have learnt to pick my battles (and I've been involved in legal action twice - and won - although going through that often doesn't feel like winning)
But there is more than one way to manage a bully.
Sometimes, yes.. you have to take a stand and damn the consequences... other times you can take a big step back and think to yourself.. This person thinks they will get the better of me but I will manage them, so that they do not succeed. This is playing the long game.
Manage them in this context means you think about your end goals. Setting aside how angry they make you... what you want to achieve at the end of this. Whats the best possible outcome for you?
My assumption would be that the best possible outcome for you would be

  1. to stay in your lovely home,
  2. To have a better relationship with your LL so that when you NEED something from her, boiler repairs, Plumbing repairs - whatever.. you will be able to remain on civil terms and so will she.
  3. your children to see that you can have a difficult situation and assert yourself and find a way to solve it.

You don't have to respect her, or like her, you can condemn her, but you can also manage her... so that at the end of the day she does your bidding and not the other way round
That is still standing up for yourself and not letting a bully get to you so that you take a risk that could have repercussions for you.
Respectfully that is not being cowed by a bully or letting them walk over you.That is winning.

I totally understand your anger and wanting to teach her a lesson. She is a stupid person. And unpleasant. But Why not try managing her first?

Your letter is incendiary.. and she'd love that. She'd love to know how angry she's made you. But don't let her goad you, that's you standing up for yourself and staying in control of the situation. I understand that the names etc are jokes et but. The tone is really aggressive and demanding not assertive.
The things you actually want from her are clouded by this language. If she wanted to get you out of the property she could use that letter against you.

It's easier to start softly and subsequently keep raising the volume rather than go in all guns blazing, how can one top that.

The bones are. You would like her to return your property, of course and she was very wrong to take it. You have the higher ground at this stage.

The issue was over the bird feeding/// maybe start with calmly and very civility

"I share your concerns for the welfare of birds and wildlife (horrible) LL but I can assure you I'm aware of RSPB guidelines would never endanger the safety of any wildlife. I understand your issue re bird feeding but having doubled checked " ... quoting RSPB and even enclosing a leaflet which nails it. Say in a calm and polite way. No emotive language.

However, I would like you to return my bird feeders. You took them from the garden without further discussion whilst I was out. My children asked for these items for our new garden and were very excited to have them. They were very upset that someone took things from our garden.They are still unsettled by the move and affects their feeling of security in their new home to feel that things can just be taken away whilst we are out and it would greatly reassure them if the items were returned.

Shall we agree a convenient date for you to return of my items now rather than October as you previously stated. It would save you the inconvenience of having to store them in good condition for the next six months. I know my children would be greatly relieved and I think it would be the kind thing to do. I am happy for the items to be left outside the garden gate on any of these dates next week. Please let me know which would be the most convenient day for you."

Kind Regards.

This is only a suggestion but why not try it as a FIRST STEP. not the final step, just the first step.
What have you got to lose? No court would ever say that was an unreasonable letter, yet you have in writing stated that she entered property without asking and removed your stuff without permission and is witholding them. She will know that. She will know that she cannot goad you into hasty actions. You have retained the higher ground. That is assertive.
The ball is in her court then. She may even return them.She will have to spend mental energy thinking how to deal with it. You will have proved her wrong on all counts in the politest possible way, so she cannot even complain about it. That is a win! If not, you can write again next week and yes recorded delivery is a good idea. She may write a rude letter back, and she will prove herself even more in the wrong.

You can still be angry about it, but can take comfort in the fact that you've shown she can't get to you, she can't stop you taking control of the situation, and you've still got the higher ground and can bring out the big guns and the legal quotes at a later stage. You've only been in the property a short while and if you needed LL help for leaks or boilers or anything else, you've still got wiggle room.

This would be controlling and managing a difficult person. It demonstrates to any court that you are reasonable, and can put across you points without backing down. There is more than one way to stand up to a bully. LLs have a certain knowledge of the law and this makes you look like a very good tenant. she will know that. It will make her treat you differently.

It's entirely up to you what you do next but before you do send the letter previously suggested I do think it would be wise to consult either CAB or Shelter which has excellent resources on LL /Tenant relations and an advice line for RL advice.
Wishing you and your lovely little ones every success.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 30/04/2026 10:31

Sorry...I left out the line

If you need to visit the property fin future, I'd be very grateful if you could give me xx notice next time so that I can arrange to be at home.

CoalTit · 30/04/2026 12:34

The OP's letter is better than the alternative ones pps have written, because it avoids emotion, sticks to the facts and cites the law.

It's a bad idea for the OP to talk about her feelings in the letter, (e.g. "I was shocked..."), to be conciliatory with the thief and to justify or explain her actions in putting out bird feeders.

Yes, it's terrible to have a vindictive, petty landlady who might make the OP homeless. But she's already entering the property illegally and taking the OP's possessions. She needs to be reminded of the terms of the contract she entered into with the OP, and no-one else is going to do it if the OP doesn't.

Cartmella · 30/04/2026 14:42

Winter2020 · 29/04/2026 10:57

It is completely mad to risk you and your children's home over some bird feeders after all you and they have been through.

I can't imagine how you could take your landlord to court and not then be evicted. Her behaviour has shown she is clearly equally as stubborn as you.

I agree with Winter2020.
Your landlady is outrageous and has acted in an insulting and highhanded way ... as if you didn't understand the RSPB advice. Grrrr. BUT, because she's arrogant and impulsive, there is a real risk that she might decide to evict you if you take her to court. She can still do this after May 1st if she sells up.
So, gir the sake of your kids, write to her in a friendly way explaining that you appreciate her concern for the birds and that you will obey the RSPB guidelines 100 per cent, but you would like your bird feeders back so that you can give them a good clean before the autumn. Shes a knob with a superiority complex. So she will react better to flattery than aggression.

FairKoala · 30/04/2026 15:36

On 1st May I would ask in an email for the number of birdfeeders she took out of your garden and without your permission to be returned to you.

Reference the ring doorbell cam and the fact she has admitted to having them and is going to keep them to October.

State you want your bird feeders to be returned and reinstated in the next 48 hours
Any breakages will have to be paid for (put a link to the birdfeeders with the price of each one). If they are not returned within the next 48 hours you will deem it that she is in agreement that she will be renting them from you at a rent of ten pounds per month per birdfeeder (Don’t put numbers as people pick up on numbers and read a lot more closely)

If you get the birdfeeders back and they are not broken thank her for this. If they come back broken with no money to replace send her a bill for the amount for replacements. Template invoices can be found on line.

If after 48 hours you do not have the birdfeeders back then send her an email confirming she has chosen to rent the birdfeeders from you and ask her to set up a standing order for £10 per month per birdfeeder. Give her your bank account details and ask her to immediately send you the amount of birdfeeders x £10 and then the same amount on eg 25th of Each month going forward until 25th September then work out the amount for the last few days of September for payment

State that if payment is not received any arrears will be reclaimed through the courts.
Keep everything very professional with no emotions or explanations about why you have the birdfeeders. Or anything to do with what the RSPB advise

This is clearly a breach of contract and theft.

The reasons she took someone else’s property is immaterial. The fact remains that she took it.
As a landlord she can’t bring in rules after the contract has been signed.

FairKoala · 30/04/2026 15:46

I think the problem with not doing anything (I have found to my cost) is that it now gives the landlord Carte Blanche to take what ever they want

If you do take it to court I was told that not doing anything about the first few times it happened meant I was ok with what he took and so that meant I was giving landlord permission to take anything.