What happens to kids if AI takes entry level jobs? What you advising them?

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On back of the worming class boys thread. If AI takes over white collar jobs, what happens to all the m.c. communities. Education and aspiration became a feature post industrialisation once blue collar jobs disappeared and you needed education to get ahead in office jobs. What happens now? My kid is only 6 but already thinking about this.

If AI takes jobs, does education become pointless. How are parents guiding their kids? Looking at parts that lost industries, will parts of South east become like that once office jobs go?

If even Oxbridge and STEM is no longer enough to guarantee a comfortable life, then what for the young people?

Creative industries already are using ai.

Jobs will be the least of our worries once self learning ai is developed and in the wrong hands. Terrorists, enemy states. Crazed leaders. Will use is for all sorts of purposes

create a new pandemic
create new methods
of mass destruction
stock market crashes
leading to civil war

also its getting to the point where we don’t know what’s true or not true anymore.

this scares me more than the job situation and that’s bad enough.

The bad human actor is a concern obviously but one major issue with true self learning / recursive AI (which Elon et al are aiming for) is that it may well spiral out of control and through continual self improvement will lead to super intelligent AI. What then? The lack of available jobs for graduates will look like a minor inconvenience when we’re staring down the barrel of an existential crisis.

Predictions for the future seem to lurch between a utopia where all our problems are solved and we have abundance and infinite leisure time (sure, Jan) or a dystopia where our society collapses or worse. The next few years will be interesting.

Conditions in the countryside were worse AT THAT TIME because people had no choices. They had just been kicked off the land they had used for generations by the rich enclosing everything they could find for themselves.

People are being remarkably blasé about the impact of the Industrial Revolution, it was horrendous at the time due to the loss of work - due to the change of work patterns that at that point had lasted since the Neolithic, really. People died in tens of thousands and were reduced to penury and then had the ruling elites making laws against beggars.

Women were famously reduced to prostitution in the cities where they were murdered with little fanfare.

It took centuries to redress the social balance and only really happened with the First World War. We still have successors to movements like the arts and crafts bemoaning the impact.

So many on here seem inured even to the impacts of the 80s destruction of coal mining, yet there are towns that have never recovered from that, with generations cursed because they are living on benefits with no hope and now with no way out and nothing to aim for.

Thats the future that awaits us. Its already happening with gangs of men hating women worse than ever before, and the fucking government enabling more and more of them to pour into the country.

A low temperature model, guardrails, LLM-as-a-judge, and heavy fine tuning using LoRA are all used to produce non-hallucinating models that work extremely well within a specific knowledge domain.

So, start off with a general purpose model, say Llama 4 and do the following:

1. turn its creativity (temperature) right down
2. Train it (LoRA fine tuning) on a whole bunch of tax or legal stuff or whatever. It will forget about recipes and Taylor Swift lyrics in the process but you don’t care about that
3. Evaluate it with another LLM (LLM-as-a-judge) for a different family which has been similarly trained but on a different dataset
4. Stick filters on its inputs and outputs (guardrails) that catch nefarious inputs and outputs - these filters may be simple pattern matching or may themselves use small LLMa
5. Turn it into an agent by giving it access to tools: eg a database of accounting case law to look up stuff it doesn’t know or stuff that has changed since the last time it was trained

Domain-specific models (and the agents built on them) are a world away from the general chatbots that most people think of as AI.

There is a huge backlash against people using AI in the artistic creative industry - just look at the absolutely brutal attacks on musicians who are using Suno. Conventions now routinely have signs up saying any artist found to be using AI will be asked to leave.

It’s a different story in the commercial creative sector of course, where ad agencies, corporate communications departments, and small businesses creating flyers etc have embraced it wholesale. It’s been devastating for copywriters, graphic designers, videographers, and musicians who were reliant on this commercial market.

My corner of the creative industry is putting no-ai clauses in contracts

I think there will be higher value for SOME human
based art creation. But it will take some time to come back. A bit like vinyl records after cds.

however the rest of the boring jobs I just don’t know. Even driving is threatened and that’s the global largest industry apparently

in San Francisco driverless taxis are the norm. Robot deliveries are the norm.

we saw a driverless delivery in Milton Keynes recently

all these young men (mostly) drivers with no job.

what’s will that do to society without all the extras. Office staff etc. warehouses are starting to go automated. Thats more people.

in just can’t see where all these so called new opportunities are coming from
with
out some
sort of generous UBI

with that maybe more leisure opportunities can be created but without money this can’t happen as who can pay
for it.

I see some sort of hunger games World ahead (hopefully without the killing) where a tiny proportion live in splendor and the rest live in poverty

I just can’t believe that the AI companies and the govt will be that forward thinking generous and responsible to actually help anyone

Right - while people focus on AI taking white collar jobs, automation and robotisation is increasingly taking bluecollar jobs, particularly unskilled and semi-skilled manual jobs. Warehousing, agriculture, construction labouring, driving and deliveries, are all in the crosshairs. But its been ongoing for years - self-service checkouts, ATMs, self-service coffee machines. What workplaces still have a tea lady (or a typing pool)?

The idea that young people just need to be careful to choose a job that isn’t very exposed to AI doesn’t really work in a job market as dire as the UK’s right now. I think a lot of young people are simply desperate to get any job they can.

There is not really the space to pick and choose at the moment. I feel sorry for young people I feel they have been dealt a really bad hand. I don’t really understand what the end game with AI is how are these companies actually going to make any money and when AI takes all the jobs what is the customer base going to be for all these big companies if no one has any income.

I have absolutely no faith that the rich will start pushing for an UBI or support it.

Jobs involving caring for older people and children are probably the only safe ones left. Not many people will want their beloved kids and relatives being cared for by robots.

Everything else I can see is at risk including physical work like bricklaying they already have robotic limbs that can play table tennis at elite level.

It is quite worrying, what will the elite do with us “useless eaters” when they really do have no use for more than half of us?

I can see the appeal of having a homestead like those American instagrammers and trying to become more self sufficient.

Jobs involving caring for older people and children are probably the only safe ones left.

The problem is ensuring an economic system where people get paid a wage they can live on to do those jobs.

Yeah I mean I get paid minimum wage anyway so when my job eventually goes (which it will soon) the switch to working in an old peoples home won’t be a big deal to me personally.

Its going to be a hard pill to swallow for people in high paying jobs vulnerable to AI

Jobs involving caring for older people and children are probably the only safe ones left. Not many people will want their beloved kids and relatives being cared for by robots.

The low brith rates may mean children sector not great plan long term. Schools are closing in South Korean, Japan and China.

I think Japans trying robots with elder care due to worker shortages - but they often aren't as good in practise as expected.

Everything else I can see is at risk including physical work like bricklaying they already have robotic limbs that can play table tennis at elite level.

Brick working interesting - as FIL was finding work into his late 60s because he had those skills at time of skill shortage. I see some new building techquies - lego slots then concete or 3 D printing ones - and maybe long term new houses might start using them in huge numbers.

However they aren't going to be doing old fireplaces - or old building maintenance or the small projects in people gardens - at least not any time soon. Perhaps it will end up like masons who once had work building catherdals and castles - and now are a rarer and very skilled profession often doing maintance on those momunments.

However they aren't going to be doing old fireplaces - or old building maintenance or the small projects in people gardens - at least not any time soon.

But people doing those jobs for pay depends on the owners of the fireplaces and old buildings and gardens having money to pay them.

There will always be some people with money - or have no choice but to do the work - alterntaives of leaving it being worse.

I'm not saying they'll need loads of brick layers in future - I'm saying few years ago there was a massive shortage of brick laying skills to point FIL could still be working now if he wanted.

Also saying and long term the new technqices and processes may well not be comptabile with existing buildings and all projects - so there will still be some need for bricklayers.

I have absolutely no faith that the rich will start pushing for an UBI or support it
@Catha537
I think that the people at the top who own and control everything will do whatever they think will allow them to hold on to their power and their status. They will see themselves as something akin to gods and they will not want to let go of that.
And let us not forget that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

This

Most humans need human contact.

perhaps the jobs will come from an industry that doesn’t exist right now that will offer human interactions at a low cost.

Think bars and restaurants without the food and drink

The people who want their children and elderly relatives to be cared for by humans will have to pay a premium to do so then.

No-one cares if AI or robots do things better than real people - only that they can do it cheaper and at a better profit margin.

Does self-service at the supermarket make the customer experience in any way better? Of course not, but it lowers costs and therefore increases profits for the supermarket owners and that's all that matters.

I’m an attorney and I am wondering (or worrying) about that as well.

How will we train a new generation of lawyers when the easy, entry level work is done by AI?

Robots are routinely used for repeatable tasks in a controlled physical environment.

factories are great - you can build in the exact specs.

they aren’t used much in agriculture - because the physical environment varies too much and you need to move from place to place in a difficult physical environment.

they’re also not good at interactions with humans who have a level of cognitive impairment - so either babies or children whose minds are still developing, or at the other end of life people with dementia.

people need social interaction to develop as children and to keep their minds going for as long as possible. AI isn’t capable of that at the moment and it’s probably a way off developing that level of responsiveness.

Well, in tech where AI is replacing entry level positions at an alarming rate, senior leaders literally don't care because they cannot see beyond the end of next quarter. And by the time it becomes a problem they will have cashed out and moved on - the average senior leader in tech changes company every 2-4 years.

Robots in agriculture are already here and seeing widespread adoption: https://www.deere.com/en/autonomous/

My husband is in tech as well and the rapid changes are quite scary, tbh. He still has a job but… who knows 🤷‍♀️😐

We (where we live) are currently still experiencing a shortage of attorneys but who knows how soon that will change.